Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-14 Thread Ivo Wever
Philipp Lehman wrote: Ivo Wever <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some people advise to repeat this procedure several times. Can anyone explain why? I see no reason why one pass doesn't suffice. [..] http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html Thanks for the replies and especially

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 12:21:33PM -0400, Loren Jordan wrote: > At 10:38 AM 6/13/2002 -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: > >When I was in the (US) Navy, a hard drive that contained classified data > >wasn't considered clean until after 7 swipes. > > There are places that only consider a smoldering pile

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Loren Jordan
At 10:38 AM 6/13/2002 -0400, Ian D. Stewart wrote: On 2002.06.13 09:16 Jan Johansson wrote: > I remember reading about a data recovery team that recovered > files after > the data had supposedly been removed with a 'dd' command like above. www.ibas.no they claim to be able to see under 3 layers

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Ian D. Stewart
On 2002.06.13 09:16 Jan Johansson wrote: > I remember reading about a data recovery team that recovered > files after > the data had supposedly been removed with a 'dd' command like above. www.ibas.no they claim to be able to see under 3 layers of overwrites. And since they are a public contract

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Nicos Gollan
On Thursday 13 June 2002 14:54, Ivo Wever wrote: > Some people advise to repeat this procedure several times. Can anyone > explain why? I see no reason why one pass doesn't suffice. IIRC, this has to do with minor mis-calibrations of the read/write heads that may leave tiny traces of the old data

RE: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Jan Johansson
> I remember reading about a data recovery team that recovered > files after > the data had supposedly been removed with a 'dd' command like above. www.ibas.no they claim to be able to see under 3 layers of overwrites. And since they are a public contractor.. wonder what the not-so-public people

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 02:54:44PM +0200, Ivo Wever wrote: > Robert Waldner wrote: > >But, for all practical values, a simple `dd if=dev/urandom bs=1M \ > > of=/dev/hdX` should be quite sufficient. > > Some people advise to repeat this procedure several times. Can anyone > explain why? I see no re

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Ross Burton
On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 13:54, Ivo Wever wrote: > >But, for all practical values, a simple `dd if=dev/urandom bs=1M \ > > of=/dev/hdX` should be quite sufficient. > Some people advise to repeat this procedure several times. Can anyone > explain why? I see no reason why one pass doesn't suffice. Dat

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Ivo Wever
Robert Waldner wrote: Philipp Lehman writes: >I want to sell an old machine that I don't use any more but there's >still sensitive stuff like personal emails, gpg keys, and passwords on >the hdd. What's the recommended way to securely 'shred' this data so >that it cannot be undeleted by the next

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Colin Watson
On Thu, Jun 13, 2002 at 01:37:04PM +0200, Philipp Lehman wrote: > I want to sell an old machine that I don't use any more but there's > still sensitive stuff like personal emails, gpg keys, and passwords on > the hdd. What's the recommended way to securely 'shred' this data so > that it cannot b

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Joris
> I want to sell an old machine that I don't use any more but there's > still sensitive stuff like personal emails, gpg keys, and passwords on > the hdd. What's the recommended way to securely 'shred' this data so > that it cannot be undeleted by the next owner? > > I assume I need to do something

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Robert Waldner
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:37:04 +0200, Philipp Lehman writes: >I want to sell an old machine that I don't use any more but there's >still sensitive stuff like personal emails, gpg keys, and passwords on >the hdd. What's the recommended way to securely 'shred' this data so >that it cannot be undele

Re: 'Shredding' a hard disk

2002-06-13 Thread Alvin Oga
hi ya philip pick the method best for your paranoia level... ( more paranoia.. --> more time/$$$ to "securely shred" the disks http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Txt/erase.txt c ya alvin - 100% sure way... take a hammer... and make itty=bitty pieces of the disks and than burn it at high