Britton writes:
> When I watch the progress of the script (with minicom) it hangs after
> CONNECT. I have tried responding with '\n' and '\r'. The script did not
> come with the CONNECT line but it didn't work then either. Any
> suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Can you log in by hand v
Manoj Srivastava writes:
> *Nothing* has an S* in more than one level. A package is meant to be at a
> certain run level and higher. A level 3 package is started at run level
> 3, killed in run level 2, and at *no* other level. See how this works?
Simple and elegant, but not very flexible. How ab
Hamish Moffatt writes:
> Similarly I have some ideas for some electronics packages (mostly related
> to microcontrollers/microprocessors); there is one or two similar
> packages at present; is there sufficient interest for me to do some?
I'm interested.
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Christian Lynbech writes:
> This is only as an option in addition to a set of "supertopics", such as
> HELP, MAIL, X11 and MODEM.
They still have to understand that they must put a "supertopic" in the
"Subject:" line, figure out which one, and get it right. This is too
complicated. Most newbies
I think debian-help is a good idea, but I don't think debian-install is. I
think that most install questions come from new users, who won't know which
list to post to. Debian-help should be a mailing list, and new users
should be offered an opportunity to subscribe at install time. Newsgroups
are
George Bonser writes:
> All you would do is answer a set of basic questions:
> Are you on a local network (LAN, most likely ethernet)?
> Do you have a dial up internet connection?
> Do you want a text-only system?
> etc.
> And a set of applications would be installed.
That is exactly what I had
Pierre Blanchet writes:
> How about Deb-One (it's sound like debian, but built for one
> special task, or just for one user) ?
I think that would tend to be interpreted as Debian number one.
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Jason writes:
> If this project goes further I would like to be involved as I have been
> thinking about his for months.
So would I. The seul project seems to be heading in a direction I don't
want to go.
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George Bonser writes:
> ...cnews allows you to easilly spool a few groups to a neighbor via UUCP.
I also find it to require zero administration.
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Alec Clews writes:
> If this is already a work in progress please let me know.
You might want to look at the seul project (http://www.seul.org/). They
are right now choosing between rpm and dpkg. They seem to be heading in
the direction of a totally new distribution which IMHO is a poor idea. I
Manoj Srivastava writes:
> Hacking sendmail.cf is a mindset. Once you get into it (lord help me,
> I've been there), there is an elegant simplicity about the rules.
Perhaps someone who has gotten into sendmail could write a sendmail.cf
generator? I know about m4. It helps, but not enough.
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Mind letting us non-Win95 users know just what Mirabilis ICQ is, that we
should all want it on Linux?
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Ben Gertzfield writes:
> I always make it a point to read the big README that flashes at me when I
> pop in the CD; that README points you to the proper directory. Dunno why
> Patrick missed it.
Neither do I. Perhaps he has had experience with some of the many CD's and
ftp sites where the README
Ben Gertzfield writes:
> Look in the stable/disks-i386 directory. There should be a lot of lovely
> documentation in there. Also the README at the top of the CD should help
> :)
However, the fact that Patrick couldn't figure it out should be taken as a
sign that something is wrong with that lovely
manoj writes:
> I, on behalf of the Debian developers, apologize for the inconvenience
> caused.
Thank you for admitting that the inconvenience exists. Perhaps the
developers could make an effort to avoid using the names outside the
developer list? It's not clear to me that anyone but the site m
Antti-Juhani writes:
> No. The name of the current product is bo.
Then why is it not being labeled and advertised as such?
> If stable pointed to unreleased, it would make people confused.
Why would casual visitors ever notice that "stable" and "internal-1.3.1"
point to the same directory?
Let'
Robert D. Hilliard writes:
> Another criteria for code names - they should be short enough to be quick
> and easy to type, thus minimizing typos. IMNSHO hamm is at least one
> letter too long.
Ah. Well, that's easy, then. Just call them "a", "b", "c",
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> How about Taurus, Accord, or Jetta? Do they mean anything about cars?
> No... They're just names of products.
> It's the same for Debian.
I thought that the name of the current "product" was Debian 1.31.
> Not to mention that the codenames used in Debian are supposed to keep
> people away fro
I wrote:
> But why is it good to choose names that don't reflect *anything*?
Scott K. Ellis writes:
> They do, they are the codename for the version,...
What secrets are being protected by this code?
> ...similar to the codenames that Microsoft...
Oh. Well, if *Microsoft* does it, it *must* be
Buddha Buck writes:
> Thus there are two good reasons why the distribution _name_ (be it rex or
> bo or unreleased-1.3) shouldn't change.
Nor did I suggest that it should.
> Because of that, it is good to choose names that don't reflect the
> release status of the distribution.
But why is it goo
I wrote:
> "unreleased-1.3" and "unreleased-2.0" would be more useful and less
> confusing.
Rick Hawkins writes:
> but not nearly so cool :)
If you say so. I just find them obscure.
> besides, this way they stay buzz, bo, hamm, etc. after release, and the
> symlinks for stable & unstable are ju
Buddha Buck writes:
> It was seen that one reason for this was that someone looking at the FTP
> site, seeing a directory with a numbered version would think that that
> version was ready for release. A policy decision was made to name
> releases while in development, and only number them when rel
Shaya writes:
> Actually, the part of the license which restricts it's use on Win95,
> might not be valid w/ the GPL.
> ...
> So who knows, that might mean that it's under the GPL only.
No. If they have released it under a modified GPL they may be infringing
the FSF's copyright on the GPL, but t
A. M. Varon writes:
> Righto! linux treats you as a knowledgeable person, not some idiot who
> does'nt know how to use an OS.
The truly knowledgeable person shares his knowledge. Why should we not
share our knowledge of how to configure ppp with new users? Do you want to
force them to go through
Louis-Philippe Alain writes:
> You want to know why I switched to Linux? Because Win95 was boring. I
> think what makes Linux be Linux is the fact that it's not very user
> friendly if you compare it to Win95. The nore it's hard to make a Linux
> box running as you want, the more you learn.
There
George Bonser writes:
> Ok, then why not adopt some default standard (Say PAP like windows does)
> that you MAY CHANGE but for newbies, asks them what the phone number is,
> what their password is and username and then sets the darned thing up to
> act like Win95 does on a PPP login so that any ISP
I wrote:
> ...it is clear from the questions being posted that not everyone knows to
> do this. Looks like a documentation problem.
W. Paul Mills writes:
> I am not so sure this is a documentation problem. More of a failure to
> read.
Any time more than a very small minority of users are unable
I wrote:
> I guess the Debian developers are all nightowls. 7AM is *not* early enough
> to be scheduling this sort of thing.
Kevin Dalley writes:
> Since this is an entirely individual item which cannot please everybody,
> I suggest that you change /etc/crontab to meet your needs.
I already have
jim writes:
> I don't know debian well enough to know which process is running find at
> 7AM in the morning,...
> ...
> I would suggest that any jobs which are rebuilding databases as nobody
> should be automatically niced to something that will allow X-windows to
> work concurrently.
I guess the
> fetchmail gets called out of ipup as root:
> fetchmail -v -k 2>&1 >/tmp/pop.out
> which does seem to read the mailbox correctly, exits with a zero return
> code, but never delivers mail!! Furthermore, I can't seem to get any
> output from deliver.
You must give fetchmail a "-m" option to tell
Kai writes:
> How does fetchmail deal with mailing lists?
Poorly: that's the catch (according to the documentation: I've not tried
this).
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Andy Spiegl writes:
> I read that when a disk has been running for a very long time it sort of
> dug a ditch into the ball bearing. And when it spins up after a shutdown
> chances are high it won't find that 'ditch' or stumbles across it and
> fails.
You read wrong. I doubt anyone has made a dis
Christian writes:
> I think you can still recover a file that's been overwritten once with
> zeroes... just open the HD (in a clean room, of course) and read off the
> sectors with a electron microscope (or something like that).
No need to open the drive. Just signal process the analog output fro
Joost writes:
> I think that it is however possible to fry hardware with linux: while
> trying 1.3 I inserted a wrong module for the cdrom interface and it fried
> the cdrom drive.
IMHO anything that can be truly "fried" in this way (that is, physically
damaged) is broken as designed.
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Joey Hess writes:
> Accordint to the man page, it's based on IP address.
And this is supposed to make it unique? Somehow I suspect that mine is not
the only machine with IP 192.168.1.
/home/john hostid -v
Hostid is 8323328 (0x7f0100)
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Walter L. Preuninger II writes:
> Is there any method of protecting the cables & cards from lightning
> damage? Several pc's and a 16 port concentrator died recently due to a
> very close lightning strike.
Unplug everything and disconnect all long cables during thunderstorms.
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Heiko writes:
> You should ask your provider for an UUCP account, this will show you the
> qualification of your ISP.
I got my news and email via uucp for years. I'm not about to ask my
present ISP about it, though. They are the only ISP I can reach without a
long distance call, and view anyone
Randy writes:
> I'd love to queue outgoing messages up and have ip-up send them off with
> a smail -q command but looking through the man page and
> /usr/doc/smail/guide/config I cannot find anything about this queue_only
> option. Where should it go...
Put 'queue_only' in /etc/smail/config. Thi
George Bonser writes:
> The disadvantage to fetchmail is that the sysadmin will need the
> username/password of all of the pop3 boxes...
These need not be the same as the usernames and passwords that the users
use on the clients.
> ...and they are fetched individually.
You can put all the mail f
> ... but what about sending messages from a disconneted site to the world?
Do what all us poor smucks who have only part-time dial-up connections do:
configure smail with smart_host= and queue_only, and
run smail -q from ip-up.
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Eloy A. Paris writes:
> I want to do what you are saying: have this main server accepting e-mail
> from the world to users in my UUCP domains and transfer them to the
> remote servers when the UUCP link starts.
Have you considered the multidrop option in fetchmail?
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stephen farrell writes:
> My take on it was that it took the X server down in some nasty way. The
> X server, of course, is running as root and thus should be more capable
> of buggering the whole system.
> Shouldn't happen, however...
The X server also has I/O privileges to the video card. If
I wrote:
> I realize that it would use more disk space, but I really think that the
> CD images should contain no links.
Francis C. Swasey writes:
> I hope you mean no links out of the CD image itself.
Yes, that is what I meant.
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Jim Pick writes:
> I believe Bruce has some "official" CD images that would better to use for
> the frozen (now stable) distribution. I think it's a 2 disk set.
Francis C. Swasey writes:
> If those are the "images" in the dist (or is it dists??) directory, the
> unstable one points at hamm, but h
J. Goldman writes:
> Sorry, I'm confused. What do you mean by the statement that you "don't
> want to be forced to activate it"? Do you mean you'd like for your
> machine *not* to load xdm on startup?
I suppose I should have said "don't want to be tricked into activating it".
I was concerned that
joost witteveen writes:
> Well, xdm comes with the xbase package, so, if you don't want to install
> xdm, you'd have to live without X at all.
I've already got the damn thing installed. I just don't want to be forced
to activate it. X works just fine without it.
> So, how about me selling the a
I wrote:
> Is it possible to upgrade to 1.3 without installing xdm?
Dwarf writes:
> Yes. Why do you ask?
Because every X discussion I've seen here recently clearly presumes that
xdm is being used, and because the last time I upgraded my 1.2 installation
I was forced to create a dummy /etc/init.d
Is it possible to upgrade to 1.3 without installing xdm?
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Robert de Forest writes:
> This is obviously more flexible, and since it's the same drive either
> way, the only possible performance hit would be if the kernel made a
> distinction.
Well, there's no performance hit at all if you never use the swap.
However, when I switched from a swap partition t
Lars Hallberg writes:
> As I understands it this is a problem allot of peple on this list have
> and I wonder: Do You know a way to 'cleanly' configuer diald/pppd? Or do
> You know a less expensiv/ugly workaround?
Have you tried request-route?
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I just downloaded OpenDOS. Ironically, it comes in a self-extracting
archive which requires MSDOS. No problem, I've got dosemu, right? Problem
is, the hdimage is too small. The doc's suggest that a tool called mkdexe
will do the job, but it seems to be missing. A web search failed to turn
it u
Lamar Folsom writes:
> Does this mean that each package will have to list the space it requires
> in every directory...
It would be sufficient to provide the complete path and size of each file.
> ...and the packaging software will figure out if each of those
> directories is on a separate partit
Francois Gouget writes:
> Unfortunately in some cases it is not so simple to check for space
> availability as /var may be on one partition, /usr on another and /lib
> yet somewhere else.
Should be doable. "df" to get all the partitions and their capacities, "df
/var", "df /usr", etc to get the f
Adam Shand writes:
> This is *just* to get newbies installed and working. I'd do something
> like have 3 options. A developement box (nothing but baisc utilities and
> compilers),...
How many newbies are going to want this?
> ...a network box (basic utilities and networking stuff, including
> p
Alexander writes:
> When booting the floppy is accessed (*schrab* *schrab*) and then the hard
> drive is read and my old lilo turns up. Well, I tried 4 discs that were
> ok (Just checked at my other computer here, usual checks says nothing), 4
> new discs.
I went through eight discs the other day
Miquel van Smoorenburg writes:
> Ed, man! !man ed
> ...
> Computer Scientists love ed
> ...
> RUNS ED!!
> ...
> ...the mighty ed...
> ...
> Ed, the greatest WYGIWYG editor of all.
> ED IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA!
> ...
> THE MIGHTY ED HAS SPOKEN!!!
Teco.
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Martin Schulze writes:
> ...there's already a notice that the only installed editor is called ae.
Where?
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Franz J Fortuny writes:
> It would be great is someone came up with the STRAIGHT FORWARD way of
> doing this.
I'm working on it :)
> Yes: there must be about 4 variations.
If only it was that simple. There is really no upper limit.
> Please, simply post a message explaining the content of the
Ron Nelson writes:
> I have pulled this image down from both ftp.debian.org and ftp.cdrom.com,
> and used different floppy disks as well.
How many different floppies did you try? The other day I had to make a new
rescue disk. I went through *eight* floppies before I found one that
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Raja R Harinath writes:
> locatedb(5) has the following:
> ...
> ...
Ok. IMHO it should be mentioned in updatedb(1L) since updatedb calls it,
but that's nitpicking. At least it is documented, and updatedb itself
provides a usage example.
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Philippe Troin writes:
> Do you also want every package to document why every file it installs is
> there, and its meaning ? [[[BIG SMILEY :-) ]]].
Yes (no smiley). Readable files such as configuration files and shell
scripts can be largely self-documenting, but yes, I think every file should
be
I wrote:
> But why is it undocumented?
Philippe Troin writes:
> This file is in /usr/lib, it's an internal command. It's most likely
> you'll never have to use it by hand. It's hence undocumented.
Not a good reason. It should be documented somewhere, even if only with a
line or two in the update
Phil. writes:
> This command is used by updatedb to compress the locate database.
> Don't worry about it :-)
> You could have done:
> $ dpkg -S frcode
> findutils: /usr/lib/locate/frcode
But why is it undocumented?
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Lars Hallberg writes:
> I think smail refuses to rewrite the from: field.
Putting
from_field="From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ($fullname)"
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> I discovered that something was setting some totally useless information
> in the TERMCAP environment variable.
I had the same problem, but didn't know it came from TERMCAP. I see it in
X, not in vc's. I just checked: TERMCAP is set to co#92:li#47: in xterms,
but undefined in a vc. My xterms
Has anyone gotten qddb working under Debian 1.2?
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David Gaudine writes:
> When I try to configure ppp I get:
> Setting up ppp (2.2.0f-19) ...
> chown: root.dip: invalid group
> dpkg: error processing ppp (--configure):
I ran into that recently with diald. Turned out to be a typo in
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Well, I upgraded, from 1.1 to 1.2 (Cheap Bytes CDROM). I did the base
first, and that worked fine. The rest, however, did not go quite so well.
Tcsh refused to upgrade: I'll figure out what's wrong there one of these
days. I'm fairly sure I did not mark maelstrom for removal, but it's just
a gam
Carl Johnson writes:
> The system did use the 286 protected mode, so it had full memory
> management. You could use more than 64K of memory, but it was a pain
> since you had to compile using Intel large model.
And I walked 12 miles to school, uphill *both* ways :)
I had (still have) an Onyx wit
Marsh writes:
> Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think AT&T System V ever ran
> on 286s.
You may be correct, but Unix did not start with System V.
> Xenix, Minix, and Coherent are the main derivatives I can think of that
> ran on 286s.
Xenix is real licensed Unix, as is SCO. There w
Craig writes:
> No Linux will ever work on an xt or a 286. They are missing neccessary
> bits of hardware called a MMU which protects the memory. A 386SX is the
> minimum.
The 8088 used in the XT is lacking an MMU, but the 80286 used in the AT is
not. Several versions of Unix were available for
Greg Vence writes:
> The minimum Linux requirement is a 386. If you have some kind of upgrade
> chip/package to allow the XT to use a 386, then yes. Else, no. I
> believe one reason is its a 32-bit "PROTECTED" mode OS. I don't believe
> that the 286 chip has that feature available.
The XT use
Craig Small writes:
> I don't think the variations in ppp servers (or ISPs) are insurmountable;
> perhaps someone should look and see how some ms-windows programs get
> around this problem.
I think the ISP's usually supply a program for MS.
I may be sticking my neck out, but here it goes:
Please
Joe Emenaker writes:
> I'd begin to entertain the idea that I was out in left field if the
> install guide even simply MENTIONED something like "Oh, if you want to
> use PPP, go read this other document first"
Well, you weren't. Is anyone about to start a project to solve this
problem? I'm w
Andrew Martin Adrian Cater writes:
> If your friend has email and news: READ THE NEWSGROUPS. Lurk for a
> week/month or two,so that before you rush in you'll see the FAQ's, see
> where the problems are.
And if he doesn't have net access? And has no friends with Linux? Saying
that mailing lists
Gary Lee writes:
> I would be lovely if PPP could figure out how to connect to the ISP and
> what I want to do with it--without me telling it...
That may not be possible without more standardization. It should be
possible ot make it easier, though.
> (but thats not FUN).
Fighting with configura
William Chow writes:
> What's the solution, you ask? Get PPP connections standardized.
That is the ultimate solution, but in the mean time we could supply some
examples. It doesn't seem like an insurmountable problem to document the
five most common arrangements, for example.
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Jason Costomiris writes:
> 1) cat /usr/bin/pon
Looked at it, saw it uses /etc/ppp.chatscript
Why did you have to this? Is there no documentation?
> 2) vi /etc/ppp.chatscript
No configuration script either?
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Paul writes:
> This is getting pretty boring, with all the silly ranting and
> raving.
Looks like discussion to me. Use your killfile.
> For Pete's sake, the Debian guys didn't create PPP in the first place!
> Take it to those that did, if you're really that stuck!
By that standard, we should
Craig writes:
> IT IS NOT DIFFICULT AT ALL TO GET PPP WORKING ON DEBIAN.
> More generally, it is not difficult at all to get PPP working on any of
> the Linux distributions I've worked with.
It is not difficult for you or me to get PPP working. It *is* difficult
for many people. There is a real
Santiago Vila writes:
> On the Debian mirrors, there is a file named README.non-US saying:
Great. Now, why doesn't this file have a link named "README.pgp"?
Why do you expect someone looking for pgp to look in "README.non-us"?
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How is this thing being scored? Do you win by exploring a larger fraction
of the keyspace than anyone else, or by finding the key? While the
probability of any given group finding the key is proportional to the
fraction of the keyspace explored by that group, it could be found by
anybody. The od
Ed writes:
> As I understand it 'rex' still contains all the packages (that were
> available then) as they were at the release of 1.2.0.
By "new packages" I meant ones which were not available in old releases.
> So if you installed 1.2.0 you can still add new packages from there
> without upgrade
Ed writes:
> ...once I had a working system of X/lesstif/latex/gcc and a lot of utils
> I couldn't see the point in upgrading.
That's fine if you never intend to add any new packages. If you do,
eventually you will be forced to upgrade do to changes in libc, the kernel,
perl, etc. It is my under
Craig writes:
> If you dont have a good net connection, I'd recommend getting a freshly
> burned CD with unstable on it once a month and upgrading from that.
In other words, if you don't have plenty of money, don't use Debian.
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Ami Ganguli writes:
> I'd like to see a standard for support questions that has people put
> keywords in the subject line.
By the time they understand the standard they aren't newbies anymore. How
about a form for them to fill out on the web page? Then post the filled
out form to a list subscrib
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