On 4/7/25 10:58, Max Nikulin wrote:
On 07/04/2025 10:36, hlyg wrote:
in bios Setup, i can choose "Legacy" for mbr disks or "UEFI" for gpt
disks
if i press F12 during boot, options are shown, i can boot both mbr
and gpt disks
It seems you have solved your issue (using
to Max Nikulin:
perhaps my optiplex is quite old, it hasn't uefi compatibility mode
though i have installed latest version
in bios Setup, i can choose "Legacy" for mbr disks or "UEFI" for gpt disks
if i press F12 during boot, options are shown, i can boot both mbr and
gpt disks
Thank Wright!
with more than 20 years of experience in installing and using debian, do
i have to read installation guide?
it is said that installing debian is as easy as pressing Enter
it is dumb to report fatal error after all configuration and copying
after 30 years of development, install
On 4/1/25 05:20, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
Make it simple for yourself. If you are at all unsure when you install,
just take guided partitioning.
That should set up a 512M partition for boot, a 1G partition for swap
and the rest of the disk for /
Unless you *really have* to partition things you
Thank Hans! it is really Dell issue. i follow your instruction, it works.
i press F12 during Dell boot, a list of options show
under section "UEFI BOOT:" there are 2 items: FreeBSD and debian
but all 3 disks installed use mbr, no wonder they don't work
most probably they are resulted from previous installation on gpt disks
how to remove them?
Thank Nikulin! i read wiki page you mention, it is too technical, as end
user, i am not expected to worry such details
it seems to me that efi isn't very mature
at present it doesn't offer any benefits to me though it is superior to mbr
On 3/31/25 10:50, David Wright wrote:
Presumably that error message was from the screen. Have you looked
at /var/log/installer/syslog for more expansive error messages?
Cheers,
David.
Thank Wright! i have solved it on my own
i am new user of gpt, fatal error is caused by my failure to creat
i install with debian-12.10.0-amd64-netinst.iso
during final stage of installation, it fails to install grub
"Executing 'grub-install dummy' failed."
"This is a fatal error."
how to solve it?
i bet it is caused by other bootloader in installation target disk
Thank Wright! debian installer is netinst 12.8
since "ran successfully" can't be found in syslog, grub installation
must fail
but i didn't see any error msg during installation, it's rather dishonest
perhaps they hesitate whether to remove freebsd bootloader
i don't have time to debug for th
Thank Wright!
i can't find "ran successfully" in entire syslog with editor's search
function
2nd disk has 4 partitions, 2 for stretch and deb12, installer seems to
parse their grub.cfg, making log very long
Feb 11 08:54:28 in-target: Creating config file /etc/default/grub with
new version^
Thank Curley again! manually editing grub.cfg is amateur as it is
auto-generated. but my stanza is simple, it's easy to add it if removed.
if it were Windows, it would be much easier
i examine syslog, among many lines probing each partition for OS, i
can't find how i specify installation targe
Thank Curley, but i have solved on my own
isn't installer syslog supposed to record my choice during installation?
i let bios boot 2nd disk, which also has deb12, run update-grub
now it can boot newly-installed deb12 on 1st disk,
then follow stanza at
https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/
i follow usual wisdom, and install freebsd in 1st partition, then
install deb12 in 2nd partition, hoping grub can handle both
but grub fails to show, freebsd's bootloader remains unchanged
i didn't see any error or warning msg during installation
i paste last part of installer syslog below(c
On 1/29/25 01:27, Greg wrote:
OT. This group concerns help for Debian users. It is not an advocacy
group. I want to learn about Debian, not be subjected to your trite
opinions about other operating systems.
I lurk and you are very often OT. Please control yourself. Thank you.
as debian user
Thank Smith for your advice!
i recently update bios. it seems unlikely that bad program can change
firmware without my knowledge. i will install latest 12.9 on usb disk
i multi-boot with several disks, one of them running pirated Windows
i have no confidence in pirated Windows, can malware or spyware in
Windows intrude linux in other disks? how to determine if debian has
been intruded or compromised?
am i paranoid? perphas malware creator for Windows don't
is it possible for moderator to remove posts that go astray too far when
archiving?
On 12/2/24 19:21, hlyg wrote:
Thank Wright!
i install inxi and run it:
model: Logitech Wireless Keyboard
charge: 55% (should be ignored) status: discharging
model: Logitech Wireless Mouse
charge: 5% (should be ignored) status: discharging
they r unimportant after all
how reliable is
Thank Wright!
i install inxi and run it:
model: Logitech Wireless Keyboard
charge: 55% (should be ignored) status: discharging
model: Logitech Wireless Mouse
charge: 5% (should be ignored) status: discharging
they r unimportant after all
Thank George!
i use logitech keyboard/mouse combo, i install solaar for deb12, it can
show that info without gnome
actually it says mouse battery is 5%, less than keyboard battery
i try some gnome live cd, it warns that my battery of wireless keyboard
is low
my deb12 haven't gnome, which command can show that info?
Thank tomas! actually i am amateur on this subject
but at my local market, usb devices aren't as colorful as Ritter
describe, blue indicates usb3
easiest way to identify usb3 is look at color, both connector and
connectee shall be blue
after i install freebsd and reboot, POST can't finish, i have to unplug
power cord
it's easy to explain why booting is bug-prone, it involves 2 parties,
bios maker and OS developer
at first i thoug
Thank Wright!
/var/log/installer/syslog might not be helpful, because everything
proceeds smoothly and normally during installation
it is easy to reproduce my problem, pc with 2 hard disks, 2 free usb
disks(one for installation disk, the other installation target), i don't
use uefi
actuall
Thank Curley! i have found out on my own
i install again on another pc with 1 hard disk, it succeeds
problem is with pc with 2 hard disks, 1 usb disk for installation media,
1 target usb disk
this situation is so special that both debian and freebsd fail to
install boot loader properly?
this usb stick has 2 interfaces: usb type A and C, for pc and cell phone
i install bullseye on it, installation finish without error
but booting fails, it is ignored, boot from hard disk, not usb disk
freebsd has same problem
On 9/25/24 20:56, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
That is a very interesting finding. I thought the external hubs would
auto-configure to the highest version provided by the host. I would
not expect the machine to hang or crash in that particular
configuration. Do you think it is due to cheap hardware?
I
it seems to be caused by wrong usb configuration
kernel msg during boot: "usb 1-3: device descriptor read/64, error -71"
if usb hub is connected to wrong usb port, after running about 12 hours,
12.7 fails while 12.5 is OK
connecting to correct usb port can fix it
i get clue from freebsd, its
On 9/21/24 20:21, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
When I experience weird power related problems (and problems with
reboot), I go right to the BIOS or UEFI and ensure the firmware is the
latest. UEFI is where the ACPI tables are located, and that affects
all power behavior. So I think your first step is t
linux-image-6.1.0-17-amd64 has similar problem though its last msg
before next boot are different:
Sep 16 18:09:58 debian dhclient[1523]: DHCPREQUEST for 192.168.43.217 on
wlx123 to 192.168.43.81 port 67
Sep 16 18:09:58 debian dhclient[1523]: DHCPACK of 192.168.43.217 from
192.168.43.81
Sep 16
Thank Cater!
On 9/16/24 14:08, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
Is this the USB stick adapter?
my wifi adapter is Realtek RTL8188EUS 802.11n Wireless Adapter, it uses
firmware rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin
i have downgraded kernel to linux-image-6.1.0-17-amd64, hopefully it can
solve my problem
Sep 13 18:
below are last msg before next boot, wifi adapter name has been
edited(wlx123)
wifi adapter use firmware r8188eu, i don't why peripheral like wifi
adapter can cause kernel to fail
i have downgraded kernel to linux-image-6.1.0-17-amd64, hopefully it can
solve my problem
Sep 13 18:04:23 debi
Thank Busby! i compose email in freebsd on pc1, its time is incorrect
problem is with pc2 running deb12 though its time is correct
more detail about my problem, it arise in sleep mode, i can't see any
error or warning msg
(it enters sleep mode after mouse/keyboard inactivity for some time)
i have installed latest 12.7, after running about 10 hours, it doesn't
respond to my keyboard pressing, power LED on front panel of pc case
become red, i have to reboot
i run journalctl, i am not sure if msg below are related to my problem
Sep 13 18:06:54 debian kernel: INFO: task RTW_CMD_
i realize i have asked hard question: why free OS hasn't beaten M$ in
past 30 years? there's no easy answer, it requires years of experience
in Windows and Linux
1st, programmers from proprietary software company are as clever as best
from open source community. perhaps they are better organiz
On 7/21/24 02:33, Russell L. Harris wrote:
The same reasons the standard typewriter keyboard is QWERTY rather
than Dvorak:
= The precedent set by the first to market is powerful.
= The influence of advertising upon a populace lacking in discernment
and addicted to novelty is deadly.
Add to t
Thank Clug and all that reply !
On 7/20/24 18:36, George at Clug wrote:
Do you think Windows is not reliable? Why is that?
Windows used to crash often, i rarely use it now, they say it's more
stable these day
Do you use Linux yourself?
surely i use as this is debian user list
Have you tried
On 7/20/24 15:02, Michel Verdier wrote:
Linux is not on the market. I buy M$ but download debian. How can you say
how many people is using debian? Once upon a time there was a
linuxcounter...
Thank tomas, Verdier and George!
statistics about market share might come from web servers and game
Thank David! market share is important though it isn't "reliable
recommendation for quality": more users attract more programmers, who
develop more apps, which attract more users. e.g. many vpn providers
support Windows and android, not linux.
linux can get distributed by word-of-mouth if it i
crowdstrike makes news headlines, many Windows become blue screens
it is evident that many people around still use Windows
i wonder if linux is more reliable than Windows
according to some statistics linux has only 4% desktop market, 73% for
MS, 15% for MacOS
why free OS hasn't gained more s
i have installed it for bookworm
but firefox can't display Chinese characters on pages at debian.org
https://www.debian.org/index.zh-cn.html
https://www.debian.org/index.zh-hk.html
https://www.debian.org/index.zh-tw.html
On 3/6/24 13:37, Teemu Likonen wrote:
It seems that you have solved the problem but here is another hint.
"timedatectl" is a good high-level tool for querying and adjusting time
settings. Without command-line arguments it prints a lot of useful info:
$ timedatectl
Local
Thank Greg Wooledge! it's solved with your help
i reboot to enter bios, it use UTC
then i change 3rd line of /etc/adjtime to UTC, reboot to take effect,
time is shown correctly now
i am timezone 0800, 8 hours ahead of GMT
both /etc/localtime points to same place
On 3/5/24 20:28, hlyg wrote:
Thank Greg Wooledge!
zhou@debian:~$ date
Wed 06 Mar 2024 04:07:02 AM CST
zhou@debian:~$ date -u
Tue 05 Mar 2024 08:07:07 PM UTC
above is from deb11 for i386, it's correct
zhou@debian:~$ date
Tue 05 Mar 2024 08:13:23 PM CST
zhou@debian:~$ date -u
Tue 05 Mar
Thank Greg Wooledge!
zhou@debian:~$ date
Wed 06 Mar 2024 04:07:02 AM CST
zhou@debian:~$ date -u
Tue 05 Mar 2024 08:07:07 PM UTC
above is from deb11 for i386, it's correct
zhou@debian:~$ date
Tue 05 Mar 2024 08:13:23 PM CST
zhou@debian:~$ date -u
Tue 05 Mar 2024 12:13:27 PM UTC
above is from de
my newly-installed deb11 for amd64 shows wrong time, it lags behind
correct time by 8 hours though difference between universal and local is
ok.
i am normal user, i install only from main of deb11 plus wifi adapter
firmware, though i don't install security update. i don't know where i
can go
On 12/5/23 09:10, Felix Miata wrote:
This commonly results from some package(s) missing, or that prevents use of
available software, such as malconfiguration or software left behind by having
had
an NVidia card installed previously, not because your GPU or modesetting are not
supported. [KMS]
it doesn't look right even in text mode, font used is somewhat different
it's really not ok with 12.2 for amd64 while it's ok with 12.0 for i386
X.Org X Server 1.21.1.7
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Current Operating System: Linux bw 6.1.0-9-686-pae #1 SMP
PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.27-1 (2
00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6250]
it's ok with deb12 for i386
i think "[KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported" below offer clue
X.Org X Server 1.21.1.7
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0
Current Operating System: Linux debi
i have 2 pc, using same speaker, both running aumix for bookworm
pc1 has 2 controls for loudness, Vol=90 and Pcm=46
pc2 has 1 control for loudness, how to set it so that loudness is same
as pc1?
On 11/10/23 13:26, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
You don't know what happened afterwards. Perhaps your provider threw
it away silently. Perhaps the bounce message itself got lost.
I see you are @outlook.com. This is an... idiosyncratic provider: they
invent strange rules "to protect you" (in realit
On 11/9/23 22:13, Marco M. wrote:
The MX MTA of the debian-users mailing list shouldn't accept an email
that is too larger and should reject it with a proper 5xx message, so
you know what happened.
problem mail is in Sent folder in Thunderbird(tb), it means that tb has
sent it successfully
On 11/9/23 18:03, Max Nikulin wrote:
https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/
Code of conduct
- Avoid sending large attachments.
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMailingLists#Posting_Rules.2C_Guidelines.2C_and_Tips
Posting Rules, Guidelines, and Tips
- Avoid sending large attachments. Consider us
On 11/9/23 03:42, Marco M. wrote:
Am 09.11.2023 um 02:04:39 Uhr schrieb hlyg:
What is the exact message in the bounce mail you got?
i haven't received bounce mail
list doesn't seem to accept my mail, because of big attachment i believe
what is max size of attachment allowed in list? Thanks!
Thank to all that reply!
i know little about debian development
i have only vague understanding of beta
Thank Andrew, Michael and Joe!
it seems that x.1 are really stable while x are beta release
Thank Mike Castle!
i suppose update cycle becomes short if there are major important patch,
correction or adjustments
only 43 days passed between 12 and 12.1
[22 Jul 2023] Updated Debian 12: 12.1 released
[10 Jun 2023] Debian 12 "bookworm" released
bullseye update cycle is much longer
[17 Dec 2022] Updated Debian 11: 11.6 released
[10 Sep 2022] Updated Debian 10: 10.13 released
[10 Sep 2022] Updated Debian 11:
Correction: 42 days passed, not 43 days
after installing go-mtpfs, i have to install fuse
i am running bookworm for i386
Thank davidson! i've switched to bookworm. Thanks anyway!
it used to work
to make troubleshooting easy, i change to 30 from default 600
xset dpms 30 30 30
xset q
...
Screen Saver:
prefer blanking: yes allow exposures: yes
timeout: 0 cycle: 600
...
DPMS (Energy Star):
Standby: 30 Suspend: 30 Off: 30
DPMS is Enabled
Monitor
On 7/8/23 03:00, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
If you don't have a floppy drive - don't set it up in the BIOS,
If you're running off a disk that's connected via USB - it will be slower
than the same disk directly attached to SATA.
Debian 12 is (probably) no slower than Debian 11 - but it is more u
On 7/7/23 10:14, Charles Curley wrote:
What, you couldn't figure that hlyg is not a master of the English
language from his|her|its sentence structure and vocabulary?
Furthermore, this is a world-wide list. We get all levels of English
mastery here, and courtesy calls for not ass
deb11 also complains floppy error, but it isn't slow
deb12 is slow, it complains floppy error. in bios floppy drive is set to
1.44M though i have no floppy drive. this isn't problem for deb10/11.
it's easy to correct bios setting but i am afraid deb12 is still slow.
Jul 06 23:50:00 bw kernel: scsi 4:0:0:0: Direct-Access USB SanDisk
3.2Gen1
On 7/7/23 08:14, Bret Busby wrote:
You do not include in each of your messages, your name and your
location (at least, the country), and that English is not your primary
language, and therefore, we have no reason to expect that English is
not your primary (and possibly, only) language.
do
On 7/7/23 06:42, Bret Busby wrote:
On 7/7/23 04:23, hlyg wrote:
it follows Windows naming style: win7, win8 ...
Of course,if you want compliance with MS Windows, then, perhaps,
Linux, and, especially, Debian, might not be appropriate for you...
i have used wrong word, i don't mean
On 7/7/23 06:42, Bret Busby wrote:
On 7/7/23 04:23, hlyg wrote:
it follows Windows naming style: win7, win8 ...
Of course,if you want compliance with MS Windows, then, perhaps,
Linux, and, especially, Debian, might not be appropriate for you...
i have used wrong word, i don't mean
it seems natural to me to use deb12 for debian 12
deb for debian as in file name extension of package
it follows Windows naming style: win7, win8 ...
but others don't think so, i google with deb12, few means debian
in past 20 years few call it debN (N=1,2,3...)
why few are interested in savin
On 7/4/23 16:39, Stanislav Vlasov wrote:
Try fio with config copied from /usr/share/doc/fio/examples/ssd-test.fio
In config set appropriate size and directory and run `fio new_config`
Thank Vlasov! i have never used fio, its manual is long, it isn't
foolproof. i have to back up for write tes
i have installed deb12 in usb disk by kingston, it's slow
today i install it in sandisk's, it's normal(fast)
i don't know how to use tool to test usb disk speed
Thank David, 3 devices are plugged to usb hub: wifi adapter, receiver
for wireless keyboard/mouse and usb lamp for power only.
i don't have energy to troubleshoot it as it's ok with buster and
bullseye, problem is with deb12, not with my usb device
it's not too bad that newly stable deb12 is
Thank David! i suppose it close wifi connection (say goodbye to hot spot
of cell phone) as i shutdown, i don't have network FS
i don't have usb disk plugged to usb hub
bookworm for both i386 and amd64 seem uncomfortable with my usb hub.
last few lines below show errors
i am now using bullseye
On 6/29/23 09:20, Charles Curley wrote:
Two thoughts here.
* Does your hub use an external power supply or does it depend on the
computer for power? If the latter, that could be a problem if the
total load exceeds what the computer supplies.
* It could be just a loose connector, although
my general impression of bookworm for i386 is slow
i suppose support for i386 becomes poor as its user base shrink
even shutdown is slow, i see it painfully show " Transport endpoint is
not connected"
my usb extension line might cause trouble, it connect to back of pc case
at one end, at the
On 6/18/23 07:50, davidson wrote:
It is an option of go-mtpfs. See its man page, as suggested.
Thank davidson! but it's ok when i connect phone with go-mtpfs again, i
don't think -debug option can offer clue to my problem
On 6/17/23 22:47, Marko Ranđelović wrote:
Did you installed it or tried the live system? What are your hardware
components?
i install bookworm for amd64, not from live CD
i often run buster for i386 for days, no problem
Try -debug option to increase logging (see the man page for detail
i have tried bookworm,noticed many improvements
today it becomes unresponsive when i transfer files to cell phone with
go-mtpfs
it doesn't respond to my keystroke, i can't see any error msg, disk LED
in front panel of pc case shows busy, after about 5 minutes i disconnect
power cord
i boot
i've installed bookworm for i386, wifi bar in xosview doesn't work
could you recommend other app that show quality of wifi connection?
On 6/9/23 15:40, DdB wrote:
Thank DdB! i have some success
/usr/share/desktop-base/homeworld-theme/grub/
boot screen can be changed by replacing file in location above
i haven't been able to change login background
Very strange: if i use my favorite search engine, i find dozens of
place
On 6/9/23 09:01, DdB wrote:
STFW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAi2UfUkp_A
+
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/349234/how-to-show-kernel-boot-messages-by-modifying-grub-config-files
.
Thank DdB! i have some success
/usr/share/desktop-base/homeworld-theme/grub/
boot screen can
i've installed deb11 for i386 from live lxde CD
i want to change boot screen image
i browse /boot/grub, can't get clue
lxde has many menus to change appearance, but i can't find menu to
change boot screen
btw is it possible to show kernel msg during boot?
On 6/5/23 08:52, Rodrigo Cunha wrote:
Hi all,
I want to buy a usb to wifi network. How do I check if the
hardware(usb) has debian support?
you can ask sellers if their wifi adapters are linux compatible
at my local market, only a few products have label "linux compatible",
nearly all su
On 6/3/23 05:00, Konstantin Nebel wrote:
Hi,
it depends which display manager u use. check which one is installed. Since
you want lightweighted display manager i would try lightdm. But didnt use any
of those ever. :)
Cheers
Thank Nebel!
lightdm is what i need.
i use bullseye for i386 with twm. many years ago i used login from X
Window, that is, graphics interface, not terminal interface. how to
start login in bullseye's X?
On 5/30/23 12:37, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
This seems to have been discussed like eight years ago:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/05/msg00081.html
Perhaps it should go into a FAQ.
Cheers
Thank tomas!
many packages break because of empty password? some other distro have no
Thank bw! internet search also shows that live is password, but it's not
correct
i have rebooted,
probably something like this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_privilege
.
i think they disclaim all responsibilities, they can use empty password,
as some other distro do
debian-live-11.0.0-i386-lxde.iso
do you know root password of cd above?
why do they create root password of live cd?
Thank riveravaldez for download link! i've downloaded it.
but Assets section seems inaccessible
many sites are blocked here ...
On 5/19/23 19:03, Joe wrote:
I don't think so. I've just downloaded it here
https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy/releases/tag/v1.0.91
without being asked for any information. The author *asks* for
contributions, like many do, but there's no compulsion.
Really? i visit link you list, no automati
On 5/18/23 19:33, Bret Busby wrote:
You might want to read
https://www.theregister.com/2021/12/10/friday_foss_fest/
Thank Bret Busby! downloading ventoy requires subscription, it's very
bad it publish message digest without message
freebsd handbook instruct users to create bootable disk by
in debian, it is as easy as copying iso file to usb device (/dev/sdx),
run sync to be safe
does this method work for other iso file?
http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/unix/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/13.1/FreeBSD-13.1-RELEASE-i386-bootonly.iso
i can't boot it created this way. what's wrong with it? Than
at first i suspect Thunderbird(TB) try to access some sites that are
blocked in china
i disable show Start Page when it launches
i disable check email automatically for each account
but it becomes unresponsive when i File->New->Message
i really don't know cause of unresponsiveness
PS: even i
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