Shell scripts will also return to the source during execution, seeking
to the next line in the file and rereading it.
You will often see errors in executing shell scripts if you edit them
while they are running, because code has shifted around.
For example:
$ cat t.sh
#!/bin/bash
echo "bob"; sle
some text in the open xterm running bash
regardless where the xserver puts it.
Again, Thank you,
Mike
--
Take no thought for the morrow; that's your privilege.
But don't complain if when it gets here you're off guard.
_The_Shockwave_Rider_ by John Brunner
e
the pointer in Xm mostly using 'Gnome tweeks' or something like that.
If anyone could point me where to find something talking about the
mouse pointer in a VT I'd appreciate it.
I'm running bookworm on a Raspberry PI4b using gpm for the mouse.
Thanks,
Mike
--
Take no thought for the
you.
Enjoy your delusion.
Get well,
Mike
--
Take your campaign contribution, and send it to the Red Cross, and let
the election be decided on its merit.
- Will Rogers
/pts/? it's running on and so far
I've not found a way without manually going into X and entering 'tty'
on that xterm to find out which /dev/pts to direct an echo to.
If I can learn how to determine which /dev/pts/? is running only bash
and not mc or something else then I can write t
.
Does anyone know a way to ID that open xterm from the CLI?
Thanks,
Mike
--
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity;
an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
#x27;unset MAILCHECK' on every open tty.
BTW, MAILCHECK="" sets it at 0.
shoptmailwarn was already off.
Someone else suggested /etc/aliases which in my case has sent
everything to root then root to mike for over 20+ years and there is
no system mail being generated at that time.
If
On Sun, Aug 10, 2025 at 7:23 AM Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> BTW, a difference between shells:
> With bash:
>
> $ echo ~ foo=~/bar:~/rod
> /home/vinc17 foo=/home/vinc17/bar:/home/vinc17/rod
Less about shells and more about compliance.
$ echo ~ foo=~/bar:~/rod
/home/nexus foo=/home/nexus/bar:/home/ne
I am running bash on a Raspberry PI 4B.
mike@RPI4b3:~> uname -a
Linux MikesPI 6.1.0-rpi7-rpi-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 1:6.1.63-1+rpt1
(2023-11-24) aarch64 GNU/Linux
While not annoying on startup or when opening a new TTY, it is most annoying
when entering a command on the commandl
Is there any way to stop this most annoying message from appearing on
the commandlineas I'm entering some command?
Thanks,
Mike
--
We are the only country in the world that waits till we get into a war,
before we start getting ready for it.
- Will Rogers
On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 5:57 PM Andy Smith wrote:
> Note that Raspberry Pi is capable of running a full operating system so
> most people would have it run one like Linux and manage it over SSH
> rather than use the USB for a serial console. They might have other uses
> for the USB, and SSH is any
On Wed, Jul 30, 2025 at 11:34 AM Andy Smith wrote:
> Although, I think if they wanted to make sudo "essential" they would
> need to co-ordinate that with other Debian Developers.
There is also the "Protected" field. It acts like "Essential" when
trying to remove, but not required like "Essential
calculator doesn't work
The poppler-utils package has tools like:
pdfseparate -- page extraction tool
pdftotext -- text extraction
pdftohtml -- PDF to HTML converter
Many others as well, but those might be of immediate value to you.
Years ago, pre-PDF, there used to be tools like ps2ps, pstops
(different tools, I think
On Tue, Jul 22, 2025 at 5:28 AM Greg wrote:
> Evince can fill in fillable forms, as can Chrome.
> But evince seems the natural choice.
Firefox can draw onto a PDF. When using text to draw, it allows one
to make it act like a fillable form when it isn't.
Evince does not seem to offer such a feat
Hah! Thanks for all of the Firefox follow-ups.
I had stumbled across the info about fonts shortly after I posted.
While printing from FF didn't work, using good old fashioned "lp" from
the command line worked on the filled-and-saved PDF.
I also tried moving pdfs back and forth between my home c
Annoyingly, I am currently trying to print a filled-form PDF with FF
and it is not working.
When I try to print the page, it comes up with the form without all of
my filling.
So, treat my previous comment with suspicion.
mrc
For actually modifying PDFs, I have taken to using Firefox. It not
only handles editable PDFs (those with predefined fields to type
into), it can also simply overlay text and drawings.
It is not likely to work for changing the wording of the document.
But if you just want to avoid having to print
On Wed, Jun 11, 2025 at 6:52 PM xuser wrote:
> is there any way to limit the disk cache to %30 of the memory?
Why do you think you need to do that?
The kernel should be doing a good job of efficiently using the memory.
Restricting the amount of RAM used for caching is likely to slow
things down
On Fri, Jun 6, 2025 at 11:10 AM Charles Curley
wrote:
> Is it possible to set things up so that the virtual machines are on the
> same network as the host machine? The host is on 192.168.100.0/24. Can
> I have the virtual machines also on 192.168.100.0?
Provided it the host is on a wired connecti
Mike Kupfer wrote:
> I see that apt-xapian-index has been removed from Debian
Sorry, I should clarify: it's been removed from Testing (Trixie). It's
still in older releases, of course.
mike
ile I agree that the experience is poor, I'd rather have that than
have to use the standard Synaptic search UI, which I find klunky.
Anyway, is there some other package that provides an alternative to the
standard Synaptic search UI? I suppose I could just start using
"apt-cache search"...
thanks,
mike
The whole utmp stuff is flaky, a best effort system that might give
some resemblance to reality.
All who does is read the database. It is up to all of the other
systems that might write to it to do the correct thing with regards to
adding and removing entries.
man -s 5 utmp
Goes into more detai
-to-have, not a requirement, so I kept the system.
mike
log into a Windows share is the Windows user account
name, NOT the Linux user name.
If Avahi is running on Debian your connect string should be:
'smb://windows.local/sharename' where 'windows.local' is the windows PC
hostname with .local appended to it.
Mike
https://fullsc
t have any ideas for how you ended up with a different PDF viewer.
cheers,
mike
Amusingly, "listserv" was the name of one of the original email
implementations on IBM Mainframes on BITNET. Names were limited to
eight characters, hence that particular abbreviation. (JUGGLE-L was
one of my first subscriptions back then.)
Many modern conversation systems use both email and web
On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 8:47 AM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> Mentioning dselect - that will give you all the obsolete packages it
> can't find - usually at the top of the interface but it does need
> some degree of expertise to unravel what it shows.
>
> (I just used dselect to find obscure packages
On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 8:34 AM Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 04, 2025 at 08:12:42 -0800, Mike Castle wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 4:04 AM Andrew M.A. Cater
> > wrote:
> > > apt list '~o'
> >
> > Where is '~o' document
On Tue, Feb 4, 2025 at 4:04 AM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> apt list '~o'
Where is '~o' documented? apt(1) mentions dpkg-query, but I couldn't
find it mentioned there either.
I'm pretty sure I've seen it somewhere, but I couldn't find it when I
saw this command mentioned previously in this thread
Also, I don't think there should be any need to run it as root.
And sorry for the bad line wrapping.
On Mon, Feb 3, 2025 at 5:16 PM Loren M. Lang wrote:
> Basically, I want to identify any software that I couldn't reinstall on
> a fresh install of Debian from the official Debian archives.
Will this work as a starting place for you?
comm -23 <(dpkg-query -W -f '${Package} ${Version}\n' | sort -u
On Mon, Dec 16, 2024 at 11:27 PM Loris Bennett
wrote:
>keeping them in your wallet can be
> safer than sticking them with a post-it to you monitor.
Just brought back memories.
When I was in college in the 1980s/1990s, in my OS class, the
instructor told of a time when he was walking down a hallw
On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 4:12 AM wrote:
> No, this has been from the installation of Debian 12 to this Laptop.
> Before that, I had Xubuntu 20.04 (Ubuntu with XFCE) on another Laptop
> that has crashed (broken mainboard). I also run Xubuntu 18.04 in a
> VirtualBox on a Windows host. Both also con
Out of curiosity, how do you raise windows?
Anyway, I was unable to reproduce this with FF 1.333.0 and Debian 12.
However, I normally do not run with these settings, so perhaps I do
not have them set up correctly.
Perhaps some screen shots of your settings might be in order to verify
I tried corr
I've a couple od directories in ~/.cache I can't read or get rid of.
find: '/home/mike/.cache/gvfs': Permission denied
find: '/home/mike/.cache/doc': Permission denied
ls, rmdir and unlink also get 'Permission denied' when executed by root.
Suggestions?
Than
drestart=3.6-4+deb12u2 (404 Not Found [IP:
151.101.198.132 443])
Looking in
https://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/n/needrestart/, I
see that there is indeed a changelog file for 3.6-4+deb12u1, but not
3.6-4+deb12u2. Maybe "apt changelog needrestart" will work after the
next point release of bookworm?
mike
#x27;needrestart'.)
Can someone confirm that this is expected behavior?
thanks,
mike
Erwan David wrote:
> However the depency is back for 3.7-3 in testing
The dependency was removed for 3.7-3.1, which is in unstable at the
moment.
mike
e copy in
/usr/share/doc//changelog.Debian.gz. The other is via the
news item for the update, in tracker.debian.org.
thanks,
mike
A feature of markdown (.md) is that it is plain text.
Bring it up in your favorite text editor, save just the bits you need,
print with plain old lp(1).
No "reader" necessary.
Eben King wrote:
> I have a variable-speed CPU. Normally the OS manages it. If I want to make
> less heat inside the case, is it possible to cap it at a certain speed?
If you're trying to control the heat--i.e., the power dissipation--your BIOS
may have a CPU setting for the PL1, Power Limit 1,
I was running `xen-create-image` when it failed near the end trying to
`umount` the `/tmp/SoMeThInG/proc` mount that it had created. `findmnt`
showed me that it was mounted on itself, as was `/proc`!
I got it unmounted with `--lazy`.
I'm guessing that the Xen script was merely copying what it sa
/user file. Options
for making changes are
- MATE Control Center (top-level GUI for MATE configuration)
- dconf-editor (GUI; not as user-friendly as Control Center, but gives
you direct access to all the settings)
- dconf (command-line)
mike
f output might flag changes that don't actually
matter for you). But I've used it once or twice on my home desktop, and
it did help give direction to my tweaking.
hth,
mike
ndow.addEventListener("online", e=>console.log("online", e))
> window.addEventListener("offline", e=>console.log("offline", e))
>
> and if events are logged then you may compare timestamps with user
> switching. Mike wrote that in his case there
mpared to the web04 (blue) system?
I see that Debian includes sosreport, which I *think* reports log
messages (among other things). I'd try to get log messages from both
web05 and the NFS server, and look for warning messages that might be
relevant.
mike
Does the update involve a reboot?
mike
For what it is worth, I've had the same trouble with all versions of
Debian and FF for a "while" now, and have spent time trying to
investigate it off and on during that time.
A "while" is possibly a couple of years? I didn't have any desktop
computer for a while, and when I did set one up, I end
On Mon, Sep 30, 2024, 10:46 AM Joe wrote:
>
> > Is that as good as mutt for viewing this list, ?
>
> It's been fine for the mailing lists, I haven't needed to use any
> archives. I do use mutt on my server as that doesn't have graphics, but
> not very often. As far as email goes, I use a local SM
On Mon, Sep 30, 2024, 3:21 AM Joe wrote:
>
> I use Claws-Mail and leave the HTML module turned off, so I certainly
> can see it.
Is that as good as mutt for viewing this list, especially archived posts?
I use a phone for email only if I'm away from home. I can
> see it in K9 on a Samsung phon
; For me, the above says "𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘤𝘢𝘯'𝘵 𝘴𝘦𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵
> 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘊𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘣𝘪𝘭𝘦".
>
> I am using gmail, but in chromium on a debian desktop.
>
> Does anyone else see that message?
>
>
>> On September 28,
Testing with Gmail to see if I absolutely need to install mutt.
Pardon my intrusion. :-)
Arbol One wrote:
> After installing PostgreSQL on my Debian-12 machine
> Is there a way I can locate the installation directory?
Assuming that you installed the `postgresql` package. Try:
dpkg -L postgresql
On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 4:31 PM David Wright wrote:
> Irrespective of the time taken, that could trigger the OOM killer,
> couldn't it. Very risky, unless you're using two swaps as mentioned.
I was actually surprised to see this happen in a test right now. I
*thought* that swapoff() would fail i
On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 11:45 AM David Wright wrote:
> I'm not convinced. Finding out what needs copying back and locating
> somewhere to put it is AIUI a slow process. What's much faster is
> when processes themselves demand something be paged back in from
> swap. I think there are "tricks" avai
On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 5:45 AM Stefan Monnier wrote:
> How 'bout checking the success of `cryptdisks_stop`?
Does cryptdisks have the ability to display what is in use at the
moment? Maybe polling that before executing the stop?
I suspect that the race is that, when the the swapoff() syscall
re
Bob Mroczka wrote:
> I attempted to upgrade my system from debian 11 to 12 following the
> instructions provided at
> https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/update-upgrade-debian-11-to-debian-12-bookworm.
In the future, consider using https://www.debian.org/release/stable/ and
such. cyberciti.biz usually
Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> If you have problems after using a live image, it might be that the first
> of those was to use a live image :(
>
> The netinst and DVD installers are more mature and potentially better tested.
> The live installer generally relies on different code if you use calamares,
I'll call this "resolved", not "solved".
> I'll let it run for awhile before I believe that.
I ran the -23- kernel for four days without issue. Then I rebooted into the
previous -22- kernel, still installed. That has run for a day so far. So
the problems no longer seem to be present.
I don't
On Fri, Aug 09, 2024 at 06:23:41PM +1000, George at Clug wrote:
> run a memory test.
Did that already, right after the build. Memtest86+.
Also ran S-TUI stress for awhile. Temps never got above 60C.
> Intel have been experiencing some instability
That's only affected their "K" and "S" series
I just installed Debian 12.6.0 (from a Debian Live ISO image) on new server
hardware. On the way to getting it installed, it was suddenly rebooting.
I even got so far as installing it and running "apt upgrade", when it
rebooted again.
Then that upgraded linux-image-6.1.0-22-amd64 to -23-. So far
On Sun, Jul 28, 2024 at 5:16 AM songbird wrote:
> not that i would want that,
>
> but it would be possible for various terminals to save to
> their own unique history files based upon terminal pty or
> tty or anything else you'd like and to reload those upon
> starting up again.
Yes.
Setting
On Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 11:23 PM Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2024 at 12:25 AM Mike Castle wrote:
> > * I keep history under source control (currently git) and regularly
> > (well, for some definition of "regularly"), merge them across machines
>
> Thi
On Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 11:04 PM mick.crane wrote:
> If I've "su'd" I type "exit".
> To close the terminal I click that X in the virtual terminal's top right
> hand corner.
Depending on settings, that may or may not save that invocation's
history. You'll likely want to test to verify that it doe
On Sat, Jul 27, 2024 at 2:50 PM mick.crane wrote:
> Is this something that can be changed so history is shared between
> virtual terminals?
Yes.
There are all sorts of settings that can control how shells save
history. Most shells are capable of doing whatever you want, but the
default configur
ought that I'd just run it past the hive mind and see if anyone has
any better ideas?
Kind regards,
Mike.
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In addition to what everyone else has said about env(1), there is the
fact that Korn derived shells also supports some of the same features.
env VAR1=foo VAR2=bar random-command
VAR1=foo VAR2=bar random-command
If running a Korn-like shell (ksh, bash, zsh), both would set the
envvars VAR1 and VAR
At my new job I've been using 115.12.0esr for about three weeks now,
with no crashes. However, also XFCE.
At home, I use Mozilla's debian repo as described at
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-firefox-deb-package-for-debian-based-distributions
for a while now, c
On Fri, Jun 21, 2024 at 4:57 AM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> That's why I find it frustrating when someone claims that this bug is
> so severe that Debian has to *change their policy* without even describing
> how this bug is affecting them in real life.
I did not feel like the OP was saying the bug wa
bash is still 10x larger than dash:
$ ls -l /bin/[bd]ash
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1265648 Apr 23 2023 /bin/bash
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 125640 Jan 5 2023 /bin/dash
I would not be surprised if that impacts things like initrd and other
resource constrained environments.
Generally speaking, standa
up the
controls for the applet as a whole. Somewhere in there will be a
control for whether to display windows from the current workspace versus
from all workspaces.
mike
On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 01:49:08PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
> Michael Kjörling composed on 2024-06-14 17:11 (UTC):
>
> > On 14 Jun 2024 17:47 +0100, from Mike:
>
> >> I'd be grateful if anyone could give me any pointers to get the
> >> terminals looking
On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 05:11:37PM +, Michael Kjörling wrote:
> On 14 Jun 2024 17:47 +0100, from deb...@norgie.net (Mike):
> > I'd be grateful if anyone could give me any pointers to get the
> > terminals looking vaguely sensible, please? I think the first isse it
> &g
t.
If anyone could offer any pointers, I would be really grateful.
Kind regards,
Mike.
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;, I am given a list of proposed removals and
a prompt about whether I want to proceed.
cheers,
mike
Even shorter:
apt autopurge
Apropos to my recent message regarding system configuration, I keep a
personal metapackage around that lists the packages I really want.
About once a quarter I do the following (as root):
# apt-mark showmanual | grep -v mrc-mars | xargs apt-mark auto
# apt autopurge
On Sat, Apr 20, 2024 at 4:40 PM Mike Castle wrote:
> Thanks for all of the commentary so far.
>
> Once I get something working, I will *try* to remember to follow up
> here with what I've managed to cobble together.
I have done quite a bit of research and experimentation and fin
Hah!
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/08/msg00042.html
Thanks for all the suggestions so far.
Like Alex, one of my physical machines is a laptop that is not always
on the home network. Though I'm usually connected to *something*.
I'm still debating whether to bother with a VPN or trying something
like a tailnet.
Heck, before I adopted Debian and ran
For a while now, I've been using `equivs-build` for maintaining a
hierarchy of metapackages to control what is installed on my various
machines. Generally, I can do `apt install mrc-$(hostname -s)` and
I'm golden.
Now, I would like to expand that into also setting up various config
files that I c
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 1:49 AM Alain D D Williams wrote:
> We seem to be told that this must be done by those who will not be doing the
> work.
Was that explicitly stated anywhere? Or is the lack of any type of
explicit "I'm willing to help drive this" statements leading to that
conclusion?
mr
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 2:07 AM Alain D D Williams wrote:
> It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers. Should we scour our
> systems looking for similar issues in other languages ? Then in, say, 20 years
> time when different words will then be considered offensive, by some, do this
> a
er than a larger number of small
RPCs). The sync option defeats all of those mechanisms.
mike
on is doing small I/Os at the system call level.
You could try removing the "sync" option, just as an experiment, to see
how much it is contributing to the slowdown.
mike
nd
> "pi5 : Mar 4 15:40:14 : root : unable to resolve host pi5: Name or service
> not known"
> I have no idea why it's complaining or what's bent.
mike@DevuanPI4b:~> cat /etc/hostname
MikesDevuanPI
mike@DevuanPI4b:~> cat /etc/hosts
127.0.0.1 MikesDevuanPI
th a grain of salt. I guess
I need to apply that to Linux man pages too.
In spite of the outcome I appreciate your willingness to try to help
and wish you good fortune this year.
Be well,
Mike
--
"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity;
an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty."
- Sir Winston Churchill (1874-1965)
e then the button with the Xed
out circle. Much to my chagrin my computer shutdown while I had files
open for editing. OOPs.
I think I now know what those buttons do but am wondering if there
is a way to disable them short of dismantling the keyboard.
mike@DevuanPI4b:~> uname -a
Linux
On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 9:12 AM Jeremy Nicoll
wrote:
> And, of course, write notes to yourself for EVERY change like this, so
> you can remember how you did it.
I actually have a quarterly reminder for myself to review my various
systems and take notes on changes. Installed packages, make sure
c
On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 10:57 AM wrote:
> Yes, the main reason for the separation of /usr has more or less
> disappeared with the arrival of initramfs, but still... why.
To some extent, it will make it easier for packaging.
Look at any package built using autoconf, for instance, you run:
./confi
On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 9:53 AM Andy Smith wrote:
> น There was another use-case which is "sharing a read-only /usr
> between systems by NFS, etc." but at the time this was widely
> regarded a lost cause as so many other things violated the
> premise.
I did that for years.
Then again, when
mike@RPI4b3:~> uname -a
Linux MikesPI 6.1.0-rpi7-rpi-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Debian 1:6.1.63-1+rpt1
(2023-11-24) aarch64 GNU/Linux
Yes I'm on Raspberry Debian now but my Devuan system still isn't
working well enough to post here and I ran into this first on my
daedalus system.
visud0 comp
s on Debian 11, amd64 desktop (radeon 3000 video), Acer 23"
monitor.
regards,
mike
Oh, it's the same *name*. Huh. So, Mike, whatever you figured out in
> 2020, you entirely forgot, and now you're starting over in a new forum?
Yes, Greg, my name is still Mike. Have you always been Greg?
If you think I figured it out in 2020 you clearly didn't read that
post.
On Wed, Jan 3, 2024 at 6:58 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> What's not really stated anywhere is *why* these library functions
> exist. I don't see many practical application for a library function
> that reads a text file full of MAC addresses and hostnames, looks up
> one of them, and spits out the o
Has anyone knowledge of how to do this under systemd?
Thanks,
Mike
--
... what I was born does not matter,
only what I will make of myself, only what I will become.
Mr. Wooledge,
Long before I realized I could put /home/mike on a separate
partition I started putting my stuff on a separate partition and just
called it /mc. A couple of tomes I had different OS versions on the
same hard drive so it made sense to keep the portions of my stuff that
weren'
'
compared to you and often fumble as this case demonstrates.
I do appreciate your input, bothe here and on the bash list.
Thanks for the help and I wish you a happy new year.
Mike
--
Happiness is not so much in having but in sharing.
ut to be a false alarm for
regular Debian users.
Happy Holidays,
Mike
--
The universe is made of stories, not atoms.
- Muriel Rukeyser
ge desktop theme with their
update but that theme change also made LibreOffice, Draw, Calc and
Writer unusable. I hope you don't have this problem but at least if
you do get stung you may remember the fix.
Happy Holidays,
Mike
--
What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared
to what lies within us.
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
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