OT high-power radio broadcasting (was Re: red SATA cable corruption)

The Debian whippersnappers need to know their hacker history :) I've heard the stories about getting caught on or near a tower. Supposedly you can feel it before it scrambles your brains. I would not seek out the experience. On 09/12/2018 02:08 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: Yeah, I've some exper

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

On 12/12/2014 10:46 PM, Joel Rees wrote: 2014/12/13 3:44 "Miles Fidelman" : So... in all of this thread, I have yet to see anybody actually talk about 9p or plumber - details, and more importantly, in comparison to D-Bus. People are concerned about impacts to their particular use cases, whic

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

On 12/11/2014 02:02 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 10 December 2014 18:08:00 Martin Read wrote: On 10/12/14 13:26, Marty wrote: > The industry and its plans for FOSS is strongly anti-choice: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.h >tml It appe

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

On 12/10/2014 10:16 PM, Marc Shapiro wrote: On 12/10/2014 02:42 PM, Joe wrote: Proof of Concept. A bit short of a prototype. There are two different concepts here, almost no home *workstation* will be used truly multi-seat i.e. with more than one person connected simultaneously to it. A home co

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

On 12/10/2014 01:08 PM, Martin Read wrote: On 10/12/14 13:26, Marty wrote: On 12/08/2014 09:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote: I would even deign to give users a choice in the matter, [snip] Multi-seat PC and other anachronisms probably have to go

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

On 12/08/2014 09:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote: I would even deign to give users a choice in the matter, [snip] Multi-seat PC and other anachronisms probably have to go away. Choice??? Lisi The industry and its plans for FOSS is strongly anti

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

On 12/09/2014 04:55 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 09 December 2014 08:59:34 Curt wrote: On 2014-12-09, Bret Busby wrote: > So, what "up to date" operating system is, now? You cut his link to plan9; maybe that's it. Which is going to be so "up-to-date" that it can't use "anachronisms" like

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

On 12/08/2014 04:53 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: Lars Noodén wrote: On 12/08/2014 08:14 PM, Richard Owlett wrote: Exactly what is meant by "Multi-seat PC"? I'm working on defining a heavily customized personal installation of Debian. One of the *STRONG* underlying assumptions is the the machine w

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

On 12/08/2014 10:43 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit : I almost tagged this off-topic but it's directed toward ordinary Debian users (with developer backgrounds). I first raised this on modular-debian but I want to get some ideas from a

9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

I almost tagged this off-topic but it's directed toward ordinary Debian users (with developer backgrounds). I first raised this on modular-debian but I want to get some ideas from a wider audience. I'm starting to get familiar with Plan 9 and D-Bus, to compare how they try to solve the same set

Re: Why focus on systemd?

On 11/26/2014 10:02 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: I'm saying that §9.11 was not designed for anything else than ensuring that the Debian archive would keep working with the default init system of the time, nothing more. Except for its actual purpose, ensuring a choice of "Alternate init syst

Re: Why focus on systemd?

On 11/24/2014 04:16 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 24 nov 14, 08:02:44, Marty wrote: It was a policy vote. The only "results" that matter are their effect on Debian Policy, right? The rest is academic. The vote invoked a clause in the TC init decision to allow modifying or overt

Re: Why focus on systemd?

On 11/24/2014 02:14 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le dimanche, 23 novembre 2014, 18.09:58 Marty a écrit : Did I miss something? Yes. Option 1: init policy stands *won by default* [1] Option 2: change init policy *LOST* Option 3: ask nicely to follow init policy *lost* Option

Re: Why focus on systemd?

On 11/23/2014 06:48 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Marty wrote: On 11/22/2014 06:43 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 22/11/14 22:14, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:46:19 +1100 Scott Ferguson wrote: It lost. Developers are not being forced to do what they don't want. The w

Re: Why focus on systemd?

On 11/22/2014 06:43 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 22/11/14 22:14, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:46:19 +1100 Scott Ferguson wrote: It lost. Developers are not being forced to do what they don't want. The winner was "developers will work it out themselves" i.e. Debian won.

Re: The systemd MacGuffin

On 11/18/2014 10:15 AM, Keith Peter wrote: On 18/11/2014, Miles Fidelman wrote: Marty wrote: I started posting here when, after years of promoting Linux to friends and employers and finally seeing much progress, my company started phasing out Debian (systemd was not the only issue but more

The systemd MacGuffin

The systemd issue in Debian (not systemd itself) is like exploring a cave system which seems to go on forever. It has so many facets and subplots that it seems impossible to evaluate objectively. It's the perfect storm for Debian. It's hard to imagine a more polarizing issue. It's conceivable tha

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

On 11/17/2014 01:54 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 08:29:28PM -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/16/2014 03:32 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: >On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 01:05:08PM -0500, Marty wrote: >>My point is that in a modular design nothing should be so entrenched &

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

On 11/17/2014 01:13 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 16 nov 14, 13:22:54, Marty wrote: On 11/16/2014 11:50 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: >In the later case, one just has to read: >http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Incompatibilities/ >to get very, very scared Each one a b

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

On 11/16/2014 03:32 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 01:05:08PM -0500, Marty wrote: My point is that in a modular design nothing should be so entrenched as to be irreplaceable. Absence of an alternate should not normally indicate impossibility of an alternate, but some

Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]

On 11/16/2014 11:50 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: In the later case, one just has to read: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Incompatibilities/ to get very, very scared Each one a bug as per Debian policy (sysvinit support). Looks like we have our work cut out for us. Among the

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

On 11/16/2014 05:26 AM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Sat, 15 Nov 2014 20:21:49 -0500, Marty a écrit : On 11/15/2014 06:49 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: [...] > > At least some of people rejecting systemd demand that it be removed > completely, including libsystemd. How is it pro-

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

On 11/15/2014 07:45 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:26:26AM -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/11/2014 02:16 PM, Brian wrote: >On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:36:14 -0500, Marty wrote: > >>On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: >>> >>>There are no

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

On 11/15/2014 06:49 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote: On 11/14/2014 05:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:59:11, Joel Rees wrote: Jumping in here as myself, not Joel's tag-team member. :) >"Debian" as an entity doesn&#x

Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)

On 11/14/2014 05:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:59:11, Joel Rees wrote: Jumping in here as myself, not Joel's tag-team member. :) "Debian" as an entity doesn't really do much. There are only one or several volunteers who start doing things. Setting up a separate "port" for

Re: Possible comprommission, what to do ?

On 11/13/2014 03:57 AM, Erwan David wrote: I just got a call form police, that they have arrested a pirate who "tried" to connect to one of my (debian) servers. They tell me he is gifted, but since the policewoman I had one phone mixes server, web site and email address, it may not be com

Re: Joey Hess is out?

On 11/12/2014 07:48 PM, Gary Roach wrote: On 11/08/2014 04:19 AM, Keith Peter wrote: Hello Bret and All Mr Hess was writing to the 1000+ Debian developers so the subject line *may* have made instant sense to them, but I take the wider point. We had better explain the 'so long and thanks for al

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

On 11/11/2014 02:16 PM, Brian wrote: On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:36:14 -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > >There are no functional differences between an installation with >sysvinit-core out of the box or an install where sysvinit-core is >ins

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Tue, 11 Nov 2014 07:42:33 -0500, Tanstaafl a écrit : On 11/10/2014 6:18 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman: >> Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in >> such a way that syste

Re: Installing Android development software

On 11/09/2014 12:50 PM, Steve Greig wrote: I thought I would try and build an Android app and see that you have to download and install some software: adt-bundle-linux-x86_64-20140702.zip Before doing this (I often find installs go wrong) I was wondering if it is possible to do it using apt whi

Re: useradd segmentation fault

On 11/07/2014 11:29 PM, Joris Bolsens wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 No idea, that's just what i got when I ran the command, I left out a bit at the top that did the ldap lookups, that all looked find and didn't want to include that as 1) dont think it's relevant and 2) con

Re: useradd segmentation fault

On 11/07/2014 09:04 PM, Joris Bolsens wrote: Ran into a bit of a strange error with useradd today, whenever i run useradd I get a Segmentation fault. I tried running fsck as i read it might be due to corrupt filesystem, but that didn't report any problems. I reinstalled the passwd package, also

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

On 11/02/2014 12:46 PM, Peter Nieman wrote: On 02/11/14 16:45, Marty wrote: http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/ProSystemdAntiSystemd/ It should be required reading for any participant in a systemd thread. Required reading because of what? In order to learn what an arrogant and insulting pamphlet

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

On 11/02/2014 05:17 AM, Joel Rees wrote: On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: I don't think we have universal agreement that systemd violates the (rather nebulous) (Well, engineering principles do tend to _appear_ nebulous, I suppose.) To a lot of "engineers" as well. :(

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

On 11/01/2014 10:00 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 02/11/14 12:19, Frank McCormick wrote: On 11/01/2014 08:58 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: For the purpose of education not to fan silly semantic pedantics. On 02/11/14 05:24, Miles Fidelman wrote: Second, we're not talking about vaguely "unixy" -

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

On 11/01/2014 07:56 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Steve McIntyre wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Martin Read wrote: On 01/11/14 01:53, lee wrote: It doesn't need these code paths. The library doesn't do anything unless you do have the software actually running which the library makes useable --- at

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

On 10/30/2014 04:29 AM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Thu, 30 Oct 2014 02:24:27 -0400, Marty a écrit : On 10/29/2014 06:53 AM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: > Le Wed, 29 Oct 2014 00:52:54 -0400, > Marty a écrit : [...] >> By "problem" I meant what I consider the pr

Re: Suggestion for systemd and /usr on seperate partition

On 10/30/2014 10:14 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Hi, On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 10:27:50AM +0100, Hans wrote: I am using systemd and I have /usr mounted on a separate partition as well as /var, /home, /boot and /. Additionally /usr, /var and /home are luks encrypted. If you want this to work, yo

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

On 10/29/2014 06:53 AM, Laurent Bigonville wrote: Le Wed, 29 Oct 2014 00:52:54 -0400, Marty a écrit : On 10/28/2014 05:10 PM, Christian Seiler wrote: > Am 28.10.2014 20:53, schrieb Marty: >>> This just being one example of context being leaked. Some of this >>> context c

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

On 10/28/2014 05:10 PM, Christian Seiler wrote: Am 28.10.2014 20:53, schrieb Marty: This just being one example of context being leaked. Some of this context could be cleaned up if uuidd were setuid root (and not setuid uuidd), but not all of it necessarily. From what you write it'

Re: [Solved] New install: root account is locked, starting shell

On 10/28/2014 11:14 PM, tjr0...@gmail.com wrote: Sent from my iPhone Delete the root password "x" in /etc/passwd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.o

Re: Perfect Jessie is something like this...

On 10/27/2014 12:15 PM, Christian Seiler wrote: Am 27.10.2014 15:05, schrieb Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis: Btw. the commit you are referencing just updated the init script, the change in libuuid was done over 2 years ago:

Re: Who's locking down the code?

On 10/27/2014 10:14 AM, Dimitrios Chr. Ioannidis wrote: Στις 25-10-2014 20:30, goli...@riseup.net έγ�αψε: On 2014-10-25 12:14, Laurent Bigonville wrote: golinux wrote: Would appreciate comments on this observation: "Look at the source code (while you're at it, note who are the upstr

EFI SecureBoot and Trusted Computing in Debian

This is the best I could come up with so far. I have found my lance and my rickety but pompous horse. Did anyone see where the windmills went? (cc'd to -user) --- What I call "the manifesto" [1] claims that UEFI SecureBoot is needed in a "post Snowden World." If Debian's "freedom of choice in

Re: If Not Systemd, then What?

On 10/20/2014 03:45 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd, I wonder... What is a better alternative? And it can't be sysvinit. One that doesn't divide the FOSS world. We have enough challenges without that. Yes. Syvinit still works

Re: GR proposed re: choice of init systems

On 10/19/2014 01:25 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: On 10/17/2014 3:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: The fun part will be to see who actually steps up to the plate to do all of the extra work. Especially amongst all of those pledged seconds. I hope someone is keeping a list. :) Ric From what I read, it will be

Re: "kworker" writes to disc every 5 seconds on battery

On 10/18/2014 04:47 PM, Teresa e Junior wrote: Hello! I have noticed that my current setup of Chrome writes to disc every second. While hunting for the problem, I have found an old bug report on Google Code about this, and from my tests I concluded my solution for now would be to run Chrome with

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

On 10/16/2014 08:41 PM, Ric Moore wrote: But, I consider it idiotic to bash Red Hat as ~anyone~ with the guts can do what Bob Young did. Just gather some talented people together around a kitchen table and create your own distro. That is perfectly legal and now they are worth billions, by start

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

On 10/15/2014 07:54 PM, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: * http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/hostnamed/ * http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/timedated/ * http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/localed/ * http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/logind/ These RPC

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

On 10/15/2014 04:19 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 10/15/2014 07:08 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 15.10.2014 12:09, Brian a écrit : On Wed 15 Oct 2014 at 10:41:12 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 15.10.2014 09:11, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : >On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

On 10/14/2014 12:47 PM, Brian wrote: On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 12:06:11 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:02:10AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:05:06 -0400 > Henning Follmann wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 07:56:40AM -0400, Marty

Re: Conflict of interest in Debian

On 10/14/2014 12:10 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 14 Oct 2014, Marty wrote: It seems like free software employment and market share come with increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality. People have to eat. Almost everyone who works on Debian has someone who pays them. It'

Conflict of interest in Debian

It seems like free software employment and market share come with increasing risk to objectivity and technical quality. It's my main concern as a Debian user, as I consider recent trends. I hope that Debian members consider an amendment to restrict voting rights for members who have a financia

Re: debian-advocacy?

On 10/13/2014 07:14 PM, Brian wrote: On Tue 14 Oct 2014 at 08:02:28 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 7:35 AM, Brian wrote: > On Mon 13 Oct 2014 at 15:07:33 -0700, Buntunub wrote: > >> This list is the perfect place for such things. The decision to make Systemd >> default in Jess

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

On 10/13/2014 07:13 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Joey Hess wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: But that is the major objection of those of us who USE Debian -- the need to do so, particularly when this concerns production servers. Sysvinit will continue to be supported on servers in Debian 8 (jessie) re

Re: Moderated posts?

On 10/08/2014 09:36 AM, The Wanderer wrote: On 10/08/2014 at 09:18 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Wed, 8 Oct 2014 12:16:25 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: I was specifically asking about a reference for "Thorsten Glaser was ordered not to bring up alternate inits...". I'll restate the URL I gave in

Re: implicit linkage

On 10/11/2014 12:49 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 11 oct 14, 12:19:29, Marty wrote: >Could it be that a modular design for such complex tasks becomes too >difficult to *do it right*? I don't know, but I think given its history, the burden of proof is on monolithic, not modula

Re: implicit linkage

On 10/11/2014 08:18 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: Is systemd (the project) trying to do too much? Possibly. Would it be better if this was done in a modular design *done right*? Probably. Yet, none of the solutions so far has *really* caught on. daemontools, runit, s6, init-ng, etc. and even upstart

Re: question about systemd

On 10/09/2014 04:45 AM, Joe wrote: And I have an old laptop and a virtual installation on a Windows laptop, both on sysvinit. But both exist for a small set of purposes, and have nothing like the range of software on my workstation, so I don't know what they tell us. They also only get upgraded

Re: Data from a serial port

On 10/05/2014 03:50 PM, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: root@meow:/home/ethan# chown ethan /dev/ttyS0 root@meow:/home/ethan# ls -l /dev/ttyS0 crw-rw 1 ethan dialout 4, 64 Oct 4 23:00 /dev/ttyS0 root@meow:/home/ethan# $cat /dev/ttyS0|tee -a scale.txt bash: /dev/ttyS0: Permission denied # adduser et

Re: Debian policy on alternate init systems

On 09/28/2014 08:20 PM, Marty wrote: On 09/28/2014 09:25 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: As a disclaimer, the easy path to continued across board interoperability may have been successfully addressed in a Debian-User email that is simply waiting its turn to be read.. I'm saving it for my

Re: Debian policy on alternate init systems

On 09/28/2014 09:25 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: How'd you ever find that in among every single other thing else that's out there to study regarding anything Debian...? Lucky google search I guess. S Genuine question, not trying to make any point in case it comes across that way. I tr

Debian policy on alternate init systems

The Debian Policy Manual currently supports alternate init systems, and mentions upstart as an example. sysvinit scripts will continue to be required per policy. I got the opposite impression from the TC debate, where part of the justification (IIRC) for systemd was avoiding sysvinit maintenanc

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

On 09/24/2014 02:45 PM, Brian wrote: Chanting "Red Hat Conspirancy" to yourself before falling into a deep slumber is one thing. Convincing most other people it exists is a task which requires a little bit more. Let's see, the real goal of systemd has nothing to do with init or service mana

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

On 09/23/2014 12:11 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 22 sep 14, 21:17:28, Marty wrote: 1) The goal is "modular Debian." Multi-init is the means to achieve it. Being tied to one init system is what caused Debian’s problems, and the replacement did not fix it. A modular system has

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream

On 09/23/2014 05:14 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: So my challenge is to you: *Act* for change. Instead of just venting your frustration here, which will do nothing, absolutely and utterly nothing for any change! But basically the opposite, the more energy you put into venting engaging here in

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

On 09/22/2014 05:07 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Hi Rob, I saw the bug closed (via mail on -devel) and personally thought it shouldn't have been. However when considering next steps my advice would be to leave bugs alone for a short while and let things cool off. It's important and useful to fil

Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

On 09/22/2014 05:39 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 22.09.2014 01:51, John Hasler a écrit : Martin Read writes: consolekit is indeed the thing that systemd-logind replaces (and systemd-logind was the reason the maintainers of consolekit stopped maintaining it). So who is going

Re: Effectively criticizing decisions you disagree with in Debian

On 09/21/2014 01:12 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2014, Jerry Stuckle wrote: Then please explain to us why, with all of the negative technical aspects surrounding systemd, it looks to be the default init in Jessie. You can start by reading why I voted for systemd: https://bugs.debian

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On 09/19/2014 07:34 PM, Joel Rees wrote: On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 1:36 AM, T.J. Duchene wrote: I do not understand something that has been bugging me for a while and I'd like to ask the many minds of the list why this would not be possible, especially since Debian has some of the best Linux peop

Re: preseeding: disable systemd

On 09/14/2014 08:15 AM, The Wanderer wrote: The fourth would require clarification from you as to exactly what it is you do require. (not OP but) I require the exclusion all packages by their dev teams from my computer. Is that clear enough? Linus doesn't trust them. Why should I? Wherever

Re: Unable to get X to start on new flat screen monitor using DVI

(II) VESA(0): VESA VBE DDC read failed Are you missing an I2C driver? Also, just WAG but maybe 1280X720 will work anyway. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debi

Re: Mythtv problem with versions

On 04/29/12 10:41, Rob Owens wrote: On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 07:24:07PM +0100, Alan Chandler wrote: I have a server running Squeeze. It has mythtv-backend to record all my TV programs. On my desktop I run Sid. After an update over the weekend, my Mythtv Frontend will no longer connect to m

no recent Squeeze updates

I have not gotten any package updates, including security upgrades, in any of my Squeeze systems for at least two weeks. In my experience this is unprecedented. I have not changed my apt config or sources.list. Is there a change in the update policy? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user

Mythtv 0.22 segfault

With recent mythtv upgrade 0.22 I get a kernel message "mythfrontend[8527]: segfault at 0 ip b4f0af13 sp a9168b48 error 4 in libmpeg2.so.0.0.0[b4f05000+17000]" when I try to play back any recording, on my mostly stock Lenny system. (The main differences are upgraded radeonhd drivers, 1.2.5-1 and k

SOLVED Re: Gnome URL icon associations

Marty wrote: In my debian Etch system, the default browser is iceape, the link /etc/x-www-browser points to /usr/bin/iceape, and mozilla is the selected default browser using the gnome Desktop->Preferences->Preferred Applications applet. I am not familiar with gconf configu

Gnome URL icon associations

In my debian Etch system, the default browser is iceape, the link /etc/x-www-browser points to /usr/bin/iceape, and mozilla is the selected default browser using the gnome Desktop->Preferences->Preferred Applications applet. I am not familiar with gconf configuration. Regardless of the defaul

Re: apt/dselect anomaly

Daniel Burrows wrote: On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 08:33:35PM -0400, Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: I usually keep current with the Debian archive using apt-get. Sometimes, however, I install programs using dselect. After upgrading to the latest Debian archive using apt-get

apt/dselect anomaly

I usually keep current with the Debian archive using apt-get. Sometimes, however, I install programs using dselect. After upgrading to the latest Debian archive using apt-get update/upgrade, I got the following message while running dselect: The following packages will be upgraded: openssh-c

Re: [OT] how to clean grime off old computer MB?

Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Hello all, I have a couple of new-to-me old computers. They've been well used in what looks like a normal office environment and they're a bit grimey inside; not just dust that blows away. I figure that I should clean that off so the dust doesn't act like a thermal insu

Re: dist-upgrade problem (was Re: /etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found)

tom arnall wrote: On Sunday 20 January 2008 17:49, Marty wrote: tom arnall wrote: > besides my home directory, what else should i think about backing up? I would back up etc as well. Come to think of it, I might also grab var, and maybe run dpkg-query and save the output, to m

Re: dist-upgrade problem (was Re: /etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found)

tom arnall wrote: besides my home directory, what else should i think about backing up? I would back up etc as well. what would be the advantage of 'rsync'? It makes perfect copies of directory trees. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Troubl

Re: dist-upgrade problem (was Re: /etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found)

tom arnall wrote: On Sunday 20 January 2008 14:32, Marty wrote: The simplest solution is to start with a new drive. Unplug and remove your current drive if it contains anything valuable, put it in a safe place. As the saying goes, when you're stuck in the hole, stop digging. don&#

Re: dist-upgrade problem (was Re: /etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found)

tom arnall wrote: When installing a new system (etch), is there any trick I need to know for getting my home directory right? I have the one from old system backed up. When I go to restore it on the new system, I assume the installer will have put some kind of home directory on the new system u

Re: dist-upgrade problem (was Re: /etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found)

tom arnall wrote: On Sunday 20 January 2008 12:37, Marty wrote: tom arnall wrote: > Marty, > > should i be concerned about the following. i did this without pointing > sources.list to the new repository. Well, fix that. :-) > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

Re: dist-upgrade problem (was Re: /etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found)

tom arnall wrote: Marty, should i be concerned about the following. i did this without pointing sources.list to the new repository. Well, fix that. :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade It's a typical cascade of errors caused by the first few individual pa

Re: dist-upgrade problem (was Re: /etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found)

tom arnall wrote: On Sunday 20 January 2008 11:46, Marty wrote: tom arnall wrote: > i attempted the distr-upgrade and after i rebooted did: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -r > 2.6.16.4 > > so i did the distr-upgrade again. following is the session output. '31 > not

Re: dist-upgrade problem (was Re: /etc/modutils/0keep: line 9: keep: command not found)

tom arnall wrote: i attempted the distr-upgrade and after i rebooted did: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -r 2.6.16.4 so i did the distr-upgrade again. following is the session output. '31 not fully installed or removed.' is where it gets interesting: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get dist-upgrad

Re: problems after latest etch3 xserver upgrade

Upgrade again. It's fixed now. For details eee my post entitled "Update: Re: GTK update problems." The fix made into the archives yesterday. Angus Auld wrote: Greetings, I had no apparent problems with the xserver-xorg-core/xnest upgrade from 2:1.1.1-21etch1 > 2:1.1.1-21etch2, but with the lat

Update: Re: GTK update problems

Marty wrote: Frank McCormick wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anybody notice the menubar missing from apps after the latest GTK update ? This upgrade seems to have broken many packages. In my case, multi-gnome-terminal failed to start, leaving an error message in

Re: GTK update problems

Frank McCormick wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Anybody notice the menubar missing from apps after the latest GTK update ? This upgrade seems to have broken many packages. In my case, multi-gnome-terminal failed to start, leaving an error message in .xsession-errors.

Re: KDSC/noatun work only when run by root

Marty wrote: Marty wrote: On my debian Etch system with Gnome desktop, when run by a user kdsc doesn't play a cd, and noatun crashes, but both work when run by root. The user ID is in the audio group and all gnome audio applications work correctly. Previously kscd worked correctly, an

Re: KDSC/noatun work only when run by root

Marty wrote: On my debian Etch system with Gnome desktop, when run by a user kdsc doesn't play a cd, and noatun crashes, but both work when run by root. The user ID is in the audio group and all gnome audio applications work correctly. Previously kscd worked correctly, and the problems

KDSC/noatun work only when run by root

On my debian Etch system with Gnome desktop, when run by a user kdsc doesn't play a cd, and noatun crashes, but both work when run by root. The user ID is in the audio group and all gnome audio applications work correctly. Previously kscd worked correctly, and the problems seem to have started

Re: OT: dying disk - data recovery recommendations

KS wrote: I connected the old hard disk via firewire to the powerbook and compiled ddrescue to run on the G4 (new HDD and 10.4.11). It is just giving I/O error in the syslog. I can't even be mounted. ddrescue has read 3MB in the last half an hour and rescue zero bytes :( Any other suggestions?

Re: Mounting a USB Mass Storage Device

Samuel Bächler wrote: Is the vfat module loaded? You might want to check the filesystem type with "file -s /dev/sdb1". Also are you able to access the files on any other system? If the data on the usb drive is not important, then try formatting it. "mkdosfs /dev/sdb1" will create a fat16 fil

Re: Mounting a USB Mass Storage Device

Samuel Bächler wrote: Hi Everyone Does anyone know what is going wrong on my system or what I am doing wrong or else? To mount a memory stick I do: # mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb ... # ls /mnt/usb boot bootmgr MFGSTAT preboot recovery SCRREC.VER swwork System Volume Information tvtos windo

Re: 1 in 2 chance : need to issue "/etc/init.d/networking restart" after boot

Joris Van Herzele wrote: Hi, I installed Debian 4.0r1 on a test-box with known to be working hardware. Unfortunately there seems to be a problem with the NIC's when running Debian. I have around a 50% chance that after a reboot I have no network connectivity. The box has 3 NIC's : 1 onboard

Is etc/Net a file or directory? Ans: Yes

Upon upgrading perl-modules, one my systems installed a new configuration file called /etc/Net, while the other systems have a directory by this name. How is that possible? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Strange boot-time hang (long, sorry)

Andrew Reid wrote: Greetings all -- I am having difficulty diagnosing a strange boot-time hang on one of my systems. I have googled around for clues, but I'm coming up empty. The system is a file server, it's a dual-core Opteron machine, 4G RAM, root FS on a software RAID1 array and

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