On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 08:54:16PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Ludovic Meyer wrote:
> >On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:34:47PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >>Ludovic Meyer wrote:
> >>>On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:56:20PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >>>&g
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:34:47PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Ludovic Meyer wrote:
> >On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:56:20PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >>>Given all the talk about not being able to influence upstream, it
> >>>occurred to me to actually
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 12:41:14AM +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:15:38PM +0100, Ludovic Meyer wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:29:24PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 03:48:34PM +0100, Ludovic Meyer wrote
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:56:20PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >Given all the talk about not being able to influence upstream, it
> >occurred to me to actually take a look at which of the major
> >applications I rely on actually come with native systemd service
> >scripts. I just went through th
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 08:44:06AM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> One thing at a time.
>
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:23 AM, Ludovic Meyer wrote:
> > [...]
> > Your definition of mainstream is strange.
>
> What's strange about it? Do I need to provide a link to the
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 04:09:52PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 11/16/2014 at 02:51 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 01:28:35PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> [about the Linux kernel developers]
>
> >> They do, however, maintain their ex
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 08:29:28PM -0500, Marty wrote:
> On 11/16/2014 03:32 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote:
> >On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 01:05:08PM -0500, Marty wrote:
>
> >>My point is that in a modular design nothing should be so entrenched
> >>as to be irreplaceable. Abse
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:29:24PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 03:48:34PM +0100, Ludovic Meyer wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 09:41:23PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> > > As much as I dislike systemd, I'm not sure that it's a vendo
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 01:05:08PM -0500, Marty wrote:
> On 11/16/2014 05:26 AM, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> >Le Sat, 15 Nov 2014 20:21:49 -0500,
> >Marty a écrit :
> >
> >>On 11/15/2014 06:49 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >[...]
> >>>
> >>> At least some of people rejecting systemd demand that it
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 01:28:35PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 11/16/2014 at 11:23 AM, Ludovic Meyer wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 09:43:23PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> >
> >> I have been informed off-list that some might misinterpret
> >> somethin
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 06:08:48PM +, Martin Read wrote:
> On 16/11/14 17:33, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> >Are you aware that this is the approach that systemd and upstart have
> >taken, right?
> >
> >1) Both systemd (PID1) and upstart are drop-in replacement for the good
> >old SysVinit as the
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 11:50:25AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Given all the talk about not being able to influence upstream, it
> occurred to me to actually take a look at which of the major
> applications I rely on actually come with native systemd service
> scripts.
>
> I just went through t
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 09:43:23PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
> I have been informed off-list that some might misinterpret something I
> wrote here, so I will attempt to clarify a few things.
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Tanstaafl
> >
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 09:41:23PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Marty wrote:
> >On 11/15/2014 07:45 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote:
> >>On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:26:26AM -0500, Marty wrote:
> >>>On 11/11/2014 02:16 PM, Brian wrote:
> >>>>On T
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 09:25:01PM -0500, Marty wrote:
> On 11/15/2014 07:45 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote:
> >On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:26:26AM -0500, Marty wrote:
> >>On 11/11/2014 02:16 PM, Brian wrote:
> >>>On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:36:14 -0500, Marty wrote:
>
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 03:43:40PM -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On 11/15/2014 7:20 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:55:47, Tanstaafl wrote:
> >> On 11/14/2014 5:26 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >>> It was claimed that sysvinit was the default *and only* (emphasis not
> >>> mine) ini
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 10:05:49PM +0100, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 15/11/2014 20:24, Brian a écrit :
> > On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 11:37:14 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> >
> >> Brian wrote:
> >>> On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >>>
> On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 11:37:14AM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote:
> Brian wrote:
> >On Sat 15 Nov 2014 at 13:49:18 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> >>On Vi, 14 nov 14, 08:04:00, Marty wrote:
> >>>By the same token systemd is a major waste with no real gain. It duplicates
> >>>equivalent modular alt
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:26:26AM -0500, Marty wrote:
> On 11/11/2014 02:16 PM, Brian wrote:
> >On Tue 11 Nov 2014 at 12:36:14 -0500, Marty wrote:
> >
> >>On 11/11/2014 12:07 PM, Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> >>>
> >>>There are no functional differences between an installation with
> >>>sysvinit-cor
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 12:02:38AM -0700, Rusi Mody wrote:
> There are other choices to
> - do nothing as weve done for 20 years
> - do it now
>
> In particular, one can take a holistic view: not just Stable -> Jessie,
> but rather Stable -> Jessie -> Jessie+1
>
> and work out the least disrupt
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 02:46:46AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2014 08:12:17 +0200
> Ludovic Meyer wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 09:34:48PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:45:11 -0700
> > > Patrick Bartek wrote:
&g
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 09:34:48PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:45:11 -0700
> Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
> > After much vitriolic gnashing of teeth from those opposed to systemd,
> > I wonder... What is a better alternative?
>
> * Nosh
So this one is fun, it is just a direc
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 04:49:48PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 10/20/2014 02:35 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>
> >If you mean you are actually DOSing Debian's support channels just to
> >make you're point that's likely to get you banned instead, besides not
> >achieving anything.
>
> ~OR!~
>
> "Li
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