Re: debian-user list info and guidelines: spam

2021-01-25 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2021-01-25 14:23, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 25 ian 21, 11:11:44, John Kaufmann wrote: On 2021-01-25 08:11, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 01:03:07AM -0500, John Kaufmann wrote: In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list: * debian-user 1 b

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines: spam

2021-01-25 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2021-01-25 14:57, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 11:39:14AM -0500, John Kaufmann wrote: On 2021-01-25 08:56, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: ... Look, I don't fear spam as much as provider's greed. ... IMO the best anti-spam measures are a good MUA and a knowledg

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines: spam

2021-01-25 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2021-01-25 08:56, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: ... Sometimes I get the impression that some economic actors hate mail because it can't be fenced-off as easily as the "social" silos and are doing their best to kill it. A pity that pgp/gpg hasn't caught on better. That comment led me to wonder abo

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines: spam

2021-01-25 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2021-01-25 08:11, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 01:03:07AM -0500, John Kaufmann wrote: In the last seven days we've seen bounces for the following list: * debian-user 1 bounce out of mails in one day (%, kick-score is 80%) First: How common is this occurrenc

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines: spam

2021-01-25 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2021-01-25 02:36, Andy Smith wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 01:03:07AM -0500, John Kaufmann wrote: ... The best practice when dealing with a piece of mail that has been identified as so spammy that you don't want to receive it is not to file it away in a spam folder, but to reject it at

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines: spam

2021-01-25 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2021-01-25 04:24, Joe wrote: On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 08:55:53 +0200 Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 25 ian 21, 01:03:07, John Kaufmann wrote: ... Is there an intelligent way to manage when spam control efforts break the system they want to protect? Do the debian lists attempt to control spam by

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines: spam

2021-01-25 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2021-01-25 04:05, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 08:55:53AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 25 ian 21, 01:03:07, John Kaufmann wrote: [...] and can never get my ISP to care about this. We can at least pester them about it. If enough of us do, eventually they will

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines: spam

2021-01-25 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2021-01-25 01:55, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 25 ian 21, 01:03:07, John Kaufmann wrote: ... ... the background info links ... explain the origin of the problem in spam control, and why bouncing list mail is not nice, and what can and should be done about spam. I'm sympathetic to the pr

Re: debian-user list info and guidelines: spam

2021-01-24 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2021-01-23 14:24, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users,and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. ... There is a comprehensive FAQ on the Debian Wiki which is in need of updating. https://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Your p

Re: Net Install: Installation halts for disk change

2020-02-29 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2020-02-29 20:20, David Wright wrote: On Thu 27 Feb 2020 at 17:13:26 (-0500), John Kaufmann wrote: On 2020-02-27 09:41, Lee wrote: [The free/non-free distinction] ... is well-explained, and in fuzzy principle I like the explanation. In functional terms, it only became an issue for me when

Re: Net Install: Installation halts for disk change

2020-02-27 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2020-02-27 09:41, Lee wrote: On 2/27/20, John Kaufmann wrote: ... I'm beginning to get a sense that debian.org has /way/ over-complicated the installation images. I think they don't do a good job of explaining things for newbies - especially the implications of "free sof

Re: Net Install: Installation halts for disk change

2020-02-27 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2020-02-27 03:46, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Jo, 27 feb 20, 02:03:56, John Kaufmann wrote: Distribution directories: [1] cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/current/multi-arch/iso-cd/ [2] cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including

Re: Net Install: Understanding the wifi drivers

2020-02-27 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2020-02-27 03:33, Andrei POPESCU wrote:> On Mi, 26 feb 20, 15:19:06, John Kaufmann wrote: For my Thinkpad, I burned CDs with: (1) debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso (2) firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso In case it's not obvious, the "firmware" image is the s

Re: Net Install: Installation halts for disk change

2020-02-26 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2020-02-26 23:34, Lee wrote: On 2/26/20, Peter Ehlert wrote: On 2/26/20 7:20 PM, Lee wrote: On 2/26/20, John Kaufmann wrote: For my Thinkpad, I burned CDs with: (1) debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso (2) firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso and (3) firmware

Re: Net Install: Installation halts for disk change

2020-02-26 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2020-02-26 22:49, Peter Ehlert wrote: On 2/26/20 7:20 PM, Lee wrote: On 2/26/20, John Kaufmann wrote: For my Thinkpad, I burned CDs with: (1) debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso (2) firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso and(3) firmware-edu-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso [just in case] A

Re: Net Install: Installation halts for disk change

2020-02-26 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2020-02-26 22:20, Lee wrote: On 2/26/20, John Kaufmann wrote: For my Thinkpad, I burned CDs with: (1) debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso (2) firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso and (3) firmware-edu-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso [just in case] A. Disk (1) begins without problem

Net Install: Installation halts for disk change

2020-02-26 Thread John Kaufmann
For my Thinkpad, I burned CDs with: (1) debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso (2) firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso and (3) firmware-edu-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso [just in case] A. Disk (1) begins without problem, then stops for wifi firmware: "Some of your hardware needs non-free

Net Install: Understanding the wifi drivers

2020-02-26 Thread John Kaufmann
For my Thinkpad, I burned CDs with: (1) debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso (2) firmware-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso and (3) firmware-edu-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso [just in case] A. Using either the default Graphical Install, or just Install, (1) begins without problem, then stops fo

Re: jigdo error

2020-02-15 Thread John Kaufmann
Hi Steve, On 2020-02-15 16:37, Steve McIntyre wrote: ... ... running jidgo-lite on Windows is a minor pain (because Windows no longer provides a context menu option to open-command-window-in-this-folder), but even after going through the rigamarole to run it, jigdo bails out with error message

Re: *nix

2020-02-15 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2020-02-15 16:16, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 02:03:02PM -0700, ghe wrote: ... FYI, fogies, in the Jul-Aug, 1978 Bellsystem Technical Journal, announcing Unix, in the Style section of the Foreward is a list of "maxims...gained currency among the builders and users..." The

Re: jigdo error

2020-02-15 Thread John Kaufmann
On 2020-02-15 07:07, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 15 feb 20, 05:04:43, John Kaufmann wrote: What a GREAT reply, with context on the proper rationale for Jigdo and choice of alternatives to work around the problem! So I immediately downloaded this: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current

Re: jigdo error

2020-02-15 Thread John Kaufmann
Hi Thomas, What a GREAT reply, with context on the proper rationale for Jigdo and choice of alternatives to work around the problem! So I immediately downloaded this: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/iso-cd/debian-10.3.0-amd64-netinst.iso and can get started. Thank you! John

jigdo error

2020-02-15 Thread John Kaufmann
When my last Thinkpad died, I lost my Mint/Xfce. My new Thinkpad, of course, comes with Windows 10, and I want to move on to Debian. As a Debian newbie, I'm also new to jigdo, but want to use it because it seems the preferred way to download (and anyway I want the full Debian experience). Unfo