ease do not CC me when replying to lists; I read them!
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> : :' :proud Debian developer, admin, and user
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> `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing
I'm not even going to dignify this with a reply other than
Who cares? Nobody on the debian list, while reading the debian list.
They might care when reading another list, but this offtopic crap.
On Mon, Apr 05, 2004 at 05:49:40PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Joe Rhett write
o I keep my
opinions to mailing lists which care about this topic!)
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On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 03:12:43PM -0500, Sven Heinicke wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2003 at 09:22:33AM -0800, Joe Rhett wrote:
> > > When you do 'apt-get upgrade' you will only update stable->stable and
> > > (maybe) testing->testing updates. If it doesn't
pdated packages.
...using apt-get by hand, as dselect confused me, er itself really :-(
Are you using a specific package manager that gave you more control?
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l answer does come down to: Debian DOES NOT have a
framework for application management on production systems. You're flying
by the seat of your pants, just like every other Linux distro.
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the time we were all hacking stuff directly and
rebuilding kernels to test drivers, so 'stable' as such didn't exist.
I was doing most of the grunt work to get SMC network adapter cards
functional and tested, as well as bitching about how lousy the NFS client
was.
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don't install it in production environments because I prefer
to get work done, rather than keep spinning in circles with stuff. Many
people have tried to tell me how great the Debian package management stuff
is, but I really ain't seeing it. Everything is still hack-it-ye
hat package manager I should use, because apt-get doesn't
seem to handle it well. You are telling me to use a different package
manager. I had that answer before I started this thread.
Which one?
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ove).
But Konquerer doesn't handle perfectly valid HTML, and has decided that it
would rather not try to fix those bugs, but instead wait for the world to
come around to its point of view. That's useless in a production
environment.
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ions of software than to stable, because for the most part it is,
> particularly in recent months.
The general idea being that you could have an internal policy that no
'unstable' things are deployed on servers. I wouldn't mind running
unstable on personal desktops, but if they
ng. Neither the Mozilla nor
the Konqueror or any other browser that I can see in testing has been
updated in the last 2 years, and all of them contain unworkable flaws that
prevent their use in any production environment.
> If you want more newer stuff than that, go ahead and run unstable. It
(which is the configuration I'd strongly
> recommend) and may just introduce confusion in that case.
Although I totally understand your logic, the idea I am hoping can work is
to run 'stable' by default, and upgrade to 'testing'
useful. Stuff that has
been safe and stable within Sid for over a year now (according to the
package pages) still isn't appearing in testing.
In short, it appears that if one actually wants to use Debian as a desktop,
one has no choice but to throw the debian guidelines out th
no
> guarantees. Installing "apt-listchanges" and "apt-show-bugs" can help
> make sure an upgrade is a wise choice before you do it.
You've got to be kidding me. Hm, let's base the stability of our system on
whether or not someone bothered
> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 02:35, Joe Rhett wrote:
> > I find it kindof sad that testing really doesn't appear to have any
> > function any longer. One would like to run from testing and leave unstable
> > for the well, unstable stuff. But I haven't really found much
edge. Sux.
In a perfect world, people would hammer things and then roll them into
testing once they had been in unstable long enough without bug reports.
This would allow us to keep high-uptime systems running the same kernels
and such as our test/burn/destroy/rebuild laptops ;-)
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re purpose of the
trees appears to be a moot point.
Now -- skip the download and compile yourself. No fun. And skip the
'download the 'zilla net installer and use that' -- because I already have.
But I want to know how to solve
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