Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-25 Thread Gregory Smith
Debian was not created as a doacracy of package maintainers, that is a falsehood that the coupists keep repeating. Debian was created as a universal operating system for the users. Just as the Free Software movement itself was created NOT for the developers and package maintainers of the software o

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-25 Thread Gregory Smith
they never get through after that. Shown below: Don Armstrong 6:26 PM (11 hours ago) to listmasters, me On Thu, 25 Sep 2014, Gregory Smith wrote: > That is the story, that is what has happened. They have taken our > Linux distribution from us. The Frenchman above me is one of that > nu

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-25 Thread Gregory Smith
Club or not, common law criminal fraud applies. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Ric Moore wrote: > On 09/25/2014 02:25 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > > I would say that systemd takeover of major Linux distributions >> and of Debian in particular would be a perfect subject >> for Groklaw. >> > > How so

Re: 2 fork or ~2 fork

2014-09-25 Thread Gregory Smith
First: I hope you are correct. Indeed, it doesn't have solely to do with init, but this init change to systemd is the straw that brings everything to the fore. There is the disregard of the users of debian (who are not just users but programmers in various free software projects), a betrayal of th

Re: Challenge to you: Voice your concerns regarding systemd upstream (fraud)

2014-09-25 Thread Gregory Smith
The debian developers did NOT select systemd. 4 people decided on systemd in a technical committee, a split decision, which happened to be decided by a vote from a chairman. There was no general resolution. Bringing this non technical issue to the technical committee in the first place was an abuse

Re: Let's have a vote! I was just banned from debian forum for posting a systemd critical message.

2014-09-25 Thread Gregory Smith
I was just banned from debian forum for posting a systemd critical message. I posted the message found here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2014/09/msg01834.html It was deleted twice and then: You have been *permanently* banned from this board. Please contact the Board Administrator for

Re: Can't We Have Another Vote for Systemd (Coup)

2014-09-25 Thread Gregory Smith
And the answer is no! Of course. The debian founding documents state that debian was created for the benefit of the user. (The premise of the whole free software movement is the rights of the user: the developers rights are clearly best served by the standard proprietary copyright regime) We are t