Le mercredi, 26 novembre 2014, 09.21:00 The Wanderer a écrit :
> On 11/26/2014 at 08:50 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> > Le lundi, 24 novembre 2014, 08.02:44 Marty a écrit :
> >> On 11/24/2014 02:14 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> >>
> >&
Le lundi, 24 novembre 2014, 08.02:44 Marty a écrit :
> On 11/24/2014 02:14 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> > Le dimanche, 23 novembre 2014, 18.09:58 Marty a écrit :
> >> Did I miss something?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> >> Option 1: init policy
Le dimanche, 23 novembre 2014, 21.20:52 Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
> On 11/23/2014 8:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote:
> > On 11/23/2014 12:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
> > That is the huge majority of Debian users.
> >
> >> Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't
> >> work as expecte
Le dimanche, 23 novembre 2014, 18.09:58 Marty a écrit :
> Did I miss something?
Yes.
> Option 1: init policy stands *won by default* [1]
> Option 2: change init policy *LOST*
> Option 3: ask nicely to follow init policy *lost*
> Option 4: policy stands, no statement needed *WON*
> Option 5: null
Le mercredi, 19 novembre 2014, 15.47:43 Raffaele Morelli a écrit :
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00014.html
>
> The winners are:
> Option 4 "General Resolution is not required"
For which the complete text [0] is:
> The Debian project asks its members to be cons
Le mardi, 18 novembre 2014, 22.10:22 Miles Fidelman a écrit :
> Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> > Let's take the inverse view: which of these use the upstream
> > sysvinit scripts directly ? The answer, as demonstrated below, is:
> > none.
>
> Out of cur
Le dimanche, 16 novembre 2014, 11.50:25 Miles Fidelman a écrit :
> Given all the talk about not being able to influence upstream, it
> occurred to me to actually take a look at which of the major
> applications I rely on actually come with native systemd service
> scripts.
Let's take the inverse v
Le dimanche, 16 novembre 2014, 16.36:42 Peter Nieman a écrit :
> Preventing the systemd takeover is certainly important, but it won't
> be enough to reverse the trend, I fear.
None of the talking on debian-user about "meta", "conceptual" or
"generic" systemd issues will allow a "systemd takeover"
Le jeudi, 13 novembre 2014, 09.04:50 Tanstaafl a écrit :
> It should have been made mandatory that the systemd folks get this bug
> fully resolved and functional *on wheezy*
This is simply not how Debian works; stable is meant to stay stable.
> *and* commit to maintaining this ability in jessie,
Le mercredi, 12 novembre 2014, 20.10:42 Brian a écrit :
> Sounds like, doesn't it? Let's be practical and see how how a screen
> in d-i could present an init system choice to a user, particularly
> having a new user in mind.
For what is worth, the layout of the menu is not the problem here.
Cheer
Le mercredi, 12 novembre 2014, 10.33:20 Tanstaafl a écrit :
> On 11/12/2014 10:13 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> > Le mercredi, 12 novembre 2014, 09.11:40 Tanstaafl a écrit :
> >> Which is precisely *why* (people) should have been required to fix
> >> tha
Le mercredi, 12 novembre 2014, 10.17:54 Miles Fidelman a écrit :
> Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> > Le mercredi, 12 novembre 2014, 09.11:40 Tanstaafl a écrit :
> >> Which is precisely *why* (people) should have been required to fix
> >> that bug (…)
> &g
Le mercredi, 12 novembre 2014, 09.11:40 Tanstaafl a écrit :
> Which is precisely *why* (people) should have been required to fix
> that bug (…)
This is simply not how Debian works.
OdyX
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Le mardi, 11 novembre 2014, 12.34:10 Miles Fidelman a écrit :
> Laurent Bigonville wrote:
> > There are no functional differences between an installation with
> > sysvinit-core out of the box or an install where sysvinit-core is
> > installed later, this is a fact.
>
> No, that's NOT a fact. At l
Le mardi, 11 novembre 2014, 20.08:08 st a écrit :
> Hans wrote:
> > I just wanted to show ways, where EVERYONE might be happy
>
> Sure. Sure. Everybody who has invested years into learning
> Debian is just jumping of joy now that it is suddenly turned
> into a completely different OS _and_ they h
Le vendredi, 7 novembre 2014, 09.06:04 Lisi Reisz a écrit :
>
> Quite. And it may have been an x/y question. But the question was
> how to get in from the log-in screen. I must download and burn a
> live Debian CD in order to find out!!
Given a working virtualization setup (KVM, Qemu, Virtualb
Le mercredi, 5 novembre 2014, 11.45:55 Haines Brown a écrit :
> This seems to me an entirely legitimate issue for the debian-user
> group, for it concerns whether Debian will continue to be useful in
> relation to the needs and values of its average user.
debian-user is not a "group of subscribers
Miles,
Le mercredi, 5 novembre 2014, 09.32:57 Miles Fidelman a écrit :
> [If you're happy with systemd, and not considering a change - please
> stay out of this discussion. If you object to the very nature of the
> discussion, hit your delete key and kill file this thread now.]
I object to the v
Le mercredi, 5 novembre 2014, 09.21:26 Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
> On 11/5/2014 2:37 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> > Discussions about possible forks are off-topic on debian-user,
> > please re-read the list topic:
> > From https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/
Le mardi, 4 novembre 2014, 21.13:36 Jerry Stuckle a écrit :
> Yes, but you seem to want to stifle any discussion of a possible fork.
Discussions about possible forks are off-topic on debian-user, please
re-read the list topic:
>From https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ :
> Community assistance
Le mardi, 4 novembre 2014, 17.13:05 Miles Fidelman a écrit :
> Personally, the more this drags on, the more I'm convinced that those
> of us who deploy and manage servers would really benefit from a fork
> that retains the "flavor" and philosophy of pre-systemd (and maybe
> pre-udev) Debian.
Just.
Hi Andre,
Le mercredi, 29 octobre 2014, 11.43:18 Andre Massena a écrit :
> I was not aware that Grub played a role in decompressing a kernal at
> boot as that is a kernel function.
> (…)
Le mercredi, 29 octobre 2014, 13.21:37 Andre Massena a écrit :
> No takers here?
> (…)
Le mercredi, 29 octobr
Le lundi, 13 octobre 2014, 12.23:00 Miles Fidelman a écrit :
> Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> > I really don't buy the argument that "the GR proposal was too quiet
> > to be noticed by 6+ people".
>
> Actually - I'd contest that, for four r
I really don't buy the argument that "the GR proposal was too quiet to
be noticed by 6+ people". I mean: the proposition happened to be in the
middle of the post-TC decision wave, on the mailing lists where it
belonged. The people who cared about the whole "default init for Debian"
question _we
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