Re: ls sort order

2006-09-14 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 01:01:25PM -0400, Eric d'Alibut wrote: > I just noticed on a brand new install of testing that ls has begun to > sort alphabetically, but mixes uppercase and lowercase together i.e. > 'Pearl' comes before 'pearl' but after 'otter'. [...] > A stable Debian version I maintain

Re: Michelle Konzack's sex (was: Email programs that work.)

2006-09-07 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Sep 06, 2006 at 02:27:09AM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > > > his first. Actually I think he did a fine job. > > ^^^ ^^ > > Do you know something I don't? I always thought that Michelle was > > female. > > Right. ;-) Er... Sorry Michelle. I do "know" Mic

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-01 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Sep 01, 2006 at 07:44:00AM +0100, Wulfy wrote: > >PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT %CPU %MEM TIME CPU COMMAND > >18782 foo 15 0 3360 3356 1704 S 0.0 2.6 0:04 0 mutt > > > >This is one huge advantage of Mutt. The memory footprint is > >unbelievably small, pa

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-09-01 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 05:51:27PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Michelle Konzack wrote: > > I send E-mails via smtp... => set sendmail="sendmail -oi" > > No, that is via command line. If sendmail were not there how would > you get mail out? But it IS there... so what's the problem? A simple mi

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 01:16:02AM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote: > Also, how do you set the encoding of the message, as otherwise it gets mangled > along the way. Normally this is handled automatically by your terminal ($LANG) settings. If your environment is not configured properly you may have a p

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 05:15:25PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Michelle Konzack wrote: > > You read more then One message at a time? > > Yes. Person A says Person B said something important while talking > to Person C. So you have Message A open so you can find what is > referenced in Message B.

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-31 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 02:28:24AM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote: > > Right now, on my system, t-bird is using 76MB RES & 200MB VIRT > > memory. :( > > And I thought that sylpheed-claws-gtk2 is using too much at 17MB > resources and 38MB virtual. Reminds me why I stopped using T-bird > and a bunch of

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 10:49:32PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Derek Martin wrote: > > Any reasonably intelligent person could surmise that what he meant was > > according to a reasonably flexible set of rules that the user could > > define. It does not do that. >

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 08:55:44PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Marc Wilson wrote: > > Uhhh, no. Either you delete all but the last n messages, or you delete > > messages older than n days. That's not "according to a set of rules". > > That's remarkably inflexible. > > That is according to a s

Re: Email programs that work.

2006-08-29 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 04:13:05PM +0500, Dmitri Minaev wrote: > Actually, considering the number of tools Mutt uses for work, I > suspect that it 'sucks less' just because it does less. You retrieve > mail with fetchmail or isync, filter it with procmail, write new > messages with vim and send the

Re: Error 21

2006-08-28 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 10:48:59AM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 11:27:08AM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: > > As someone who was once a total noob with linux, I assure you a > > file server does need a windowing system. > > To serve what possible need? How does serving files r

Re: Error 21

2006-08-28 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 11:27:08AM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: > On 8/27/06, Ottavio Caruso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >What has KDE got to do with a fileserver? A server > >shouldn't have any windowing system at all... > > As someone who was once a total noob with linux, I assure you a file

Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

2006-07-26 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 09:47:39PM +0200, LeVA wrote: > > So either set konsole up to launch ksh as a login shell, or set ENV > > somewhere. You can test this with: > > > > $ ENV="~/.profile" konsole > > > > Or launch konsole, and do: > > $ ksh -l > > The .profile is always gets parsed (both in a

Re: how to make colour prompts for pdksh

2006-07-26 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Jul 26, 2006 at 04:55:02PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > > > Now that your pointing this out for me :) indeed I was using a > > > '^' char followed by a '['. But how can I enter that control > > > character? What is the keycombo for it? > > > > Check my previous email. I don't know how

Re: X default fonts

2006-06-29 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 11:50:00AM -0600, Cameron Matheson wrote: > This is a really un-optimal solution, but if you edit your > /etc/fonts/fonts.conf, you can change the order that fonts are > preferred (just search for the tags). Move the fonts that > are more readable nearer to the top. Unfor

X default fonts

2006-06-28 Thread Derek Martin
Hi Folks, What I did: I'm using the debian installer to do an automated install of a bunch of workstations. We have various users who speak non-English languages, so I installed every font package I could. Problem: I myself speak Korean (albeit badly). After installing all the fonts, two unde

Re: Server REALLY slow after console messages

2006-06-27 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 11:29:27PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > > > dd if=/dev/zero of=/var/spool/swapfile bs=1024 count=262144 > > > > > > swapon /var/spool/swapfile > > > > Realistically, this isn't likely to help... He's already used up 5GB > > of virtual memory -- 2GB of RAM and 3 GB of swa

Re: Server REALLY slow after console messages

2006-06-27 Thread Derek Martin
On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 05:24:02PM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > You're out of memory, just like the messages say. Presumably some process > on that server has used it all, including all your swap. Eventually the > process should be killed automatically or the program might segfault. If > you can ge

Re: Server REALLY slow after console messages

2006-06-27 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 09:52:42AM +1200, Simon wrote: > OK, i had to restart the server as there was critical services running > on it... After rebooting and running the commands above: Unfortunately it's too late... To see what is causing the problem, you need to look at it while the problem is

Re: Server REALLY slow after console messages

2006-06-27 Thread Derek Martin
On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 09:37:07AM +1200, Simon wrote: > On 6/28/06, Jo Shields <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >You've run out of RAM. > > > > Hmm... Could this be some sort of memory leak or something? Would > anyone be able to offer any path of checking or solving this issue? Run top, hit

Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'

2006-06-26 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 11:15:52AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Derek Martin wrote: > > On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 10:48:28AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> When US keyboards have the Euro symbol on it, then it will have > >> happened. > > > > Well, I don

Re: multiple identities with mutt

2006-06-26 Thread Derek Martin
On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 06:03:42AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Why? I have TBird. Besides, the answer isn't always "write > > one." Some of us aren't whiz-bang software engineers, thanks. > > With Python and the curses, Gtk, Qt, POP3, IMAP, SMTP & RCF822 > modules, writing a new MUA shouldn't

Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'

2006-06-25 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 11:54:54AM -0400, Derek Martin wrote: > > P.S. - How do you enter a Euro symbol from a US kbd into Tbird? > > Copy-paste from a web page or other source which has it? I keep a > file in my home directory with a few common symbols that are hard or > impos

Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'

2006-06-25 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 10:48:28AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > When US keyboards have the Euro symbol on it, then it will have > happened. Well, I don't think that is or should be a requirement... I mean, why limit that idea to just the Euro symbol? Why not include the Yen, or the Korean Won, th

Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'

2006-06-25 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 07:37:51AM -0700, Xeno Campanoli wrote: > I've wondered about that. Why aren't "modern" systems just moving > straight to Unicode? Well, as I said, they are. It's mostly the modern PEOPLE who are not... ;-) Debian Sarge is pretty good as far as UTF-8 support, though f

Re: What does it mean 'LANG=C'

2006-06-25 Thread Derek Martin
On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 08:01:21PM +0700, Surachai Locharoen wrote: > I just want to know 'LANG=C' what does it mean? Normally, I see LANG is > set to laguage which exist in the real world such as en, th, fr. The LANG variable sets the user's locale, which tells the system what language and local

Re: cron and kmessage

2006-06-25 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 07:51:58PM -0400, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > My actual problem is that I want to display a message at specific > times (every 0th, 30th minute of hour) on the user's screen. I > thought I can do this with cron and kmessage. [snip] > But then it does not display the dialog

Re: iptables log target logs everything to tty*. Why?

2006-06-24 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 01:51:38PM +0200, Erik Persson wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# cat /proc/sys/kernel/printk > 3 4 1 7 Cool, I didn't realize this file existed in the /proc filesystem. Time to review the documentation... ;-) > man proc reveals that the 1 is the lowest value

Re: iptables log target logs everything to tty*. Why?

2006-06-23 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:58:42AM +0200, Erik Persson wrote: > I tried with klogd -c 0 but the messages just kept on coming. It seems > that the minimal allowed log level for kernel messages was set to 4 on > the router and klogd -c 0 thus didn't change the kernel log level as I > thought. This

Re: xdm source .bash_profile

2006-06-23 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 01:22:04AM +0200, Pavlos Parissis wrote: > > This starts gnome, and runs it from ssh-agent. That's a neat trick > > which makes your ssh agent accessible to all xterms started from > > within your X session. If you use KDE, replace that with startkde. > > Side effect of t

Re: xdm source .bash_profile

2006-06-23 Thread Derek Martin
On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:00:03AM +0200, Pavlos Parissis wrote: > Hello all, > > I have been trying to make my X to source the .bash_profile in order > to set my $PATH variable. .xsession is the best place to deal with this, but you need to start your X session in this file, or else it will just

Re: group ownership of /dev files

2006-06-23 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 02:27:19PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.06.23.1403 +0200]: > > Why should I not make such statements? If Debian is not meeting > > the needs of people who want to use it, why should the Debian >

Re: Replying to list

2006-06-23 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 11:07:13PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote: > Derek Martin wrote: > > It is probably the most configurable and most powerful MUA in > > existence today, making easy many things which should be and making > > possible many things which are hard or impossibl

Re: group ownership of /dev files

2006-06-23 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 10:16:26AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.06.23.0454 +0200]: > > My conclusion is that it seems from a security standpoint, and > > from an ease-of-administration standpoint, pam_console is the >

Re: Replying to list

2006-06-22 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 04:04:40PM -0500, Seth Goodman wrote: > So getting back to the topic of this thread, insisting that "all > competent mailers" have a 'Reply to List' function, when none of the > most common mailers for people trapped in the most widely used operating > system have the requir

Re: group ownership of /dev files

2006-06-22 Thread Derek Martin
On Fri, Jun 23, 2006 at 12:41:51AM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Derek Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.06.23.0017 +0200]: > > Thanks for the tip... this may work, though at a quick glance, > > again, I don't see how this is better than pam_console. >

Re: group ownership of /dev files

2006-06-22 Thread Derek Martin
On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 11:07:37PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote: [pam_console] > > devices when they log in on the console. Thus anyone who logs in > > automatically has access to the sound devices. However, this facility > > appears to be lacking in Sarge. > > by choice, yes. > > http://lists.

group ownership of /dev files

2006-06-22 Thread Derek Martin
Hi folks, If there's a more appropriate place to ask this, please let me know. I manage a large number of workstations which run Debian. Everyone in my organization need to be able to access any of these workstations, and they expect basic services (like sound, for example) to work properly. Re

automating installs

2006-05-18 Thread Derek Martin
Hi folks, I am trying to build an automated install image using Debian. It's going pretty well so far, but I've run into a little snag. We have a lot of international users, so it's useful to have all of the supported languages installed and usable. Thanks to the nice folks over on the debian-i

termcap library

2000-11-21 Thread Derek Martin
I am attempting to install the spice3f5 circuit simulator available from Berkeley. It seems to compile fine, until the end where it loads the main executable, and gives the following error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -ltermcap I am using Potato, and I have the termcap-compat package installed.