On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 07:09:54PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 01, 2024 at 11:02:07 +1100, George at Clug wrote:
> > Is there a "list of coming major design changing in Linux" somewhere on the
> > Internet? Could make my life easier if there was.
>
> I would just like to point out t
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 8:09 PM Timothy M Butterworth <
timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 7:35 PM Timothy M Butterworth <
> timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 6:46 PM Timothy M Butterworth <
>> timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.
On 2024-11-30 20:00, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
So, it looks like what you want is noninteractive, with preseeding. You
should probably read the entire man page, as there are lots of ways to
tweak the behavior of debconf.
Regards,
-Roberto
Thanks Roberto and Andy. I'll look at debconf and se
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 7:57 PM Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 08:25:31PM +0100, john doe wrote:
> > On 11/30/24 20:11, john doe wrote:
> > > Not sure what the OP is trying to do here [1].
> >
> > [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/11/msg00827.html
>
> Yes, I too
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 7:35 PM Timothy M Butterworth <
timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 6:46 PM Timothy M Butterworth <
> timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I have been working out how to have my server setup with OSPF routing. I
>> have t
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 05:38:40PM -0500, John Boxall wrote:
>
> Is the option "-y" in the command not enough to prevent the prompt?
>
As Andy explained, no the "-y" option will not prevent the prompt.
The "-y" as you have used it is passed to apt-get and defaults the
answers to prompts presente
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 6:46 PM Timothy M Butterworth <
timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I have been working out how to have my server setup with OSPF routing. I
> have two network interfaces each configured with a /30 and one dummy
> loopback configured with a /32. The goal is t
On Sunday, 01-12-2024 at 11:09 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 01, 2024 at 11:02:07 +1100, George at Clug wrote:
> > Is there a "list of coming major design changing in Linux" somewhere on the
> > Internet? Could make my life easier if there was.
>
> I would just like to point out that ther
On 2024-11-30 17:48, Andy Smith wrote:
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 10:45:37PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
Is the option "-y" in the command not enough to prevent the prompt?
I forgot to add:
Using -y on dist-upgrade is a good way to completely destroy your system
given the slightest anomaly (and thi
On Sun, Dec 01, 2024 at 11:02:07 +1100, George at Clug wrote:
> Is there a "list of coming major design changing in Linux" somewhere on the
> Internet? Could make my life easier if there was.
I would just like to point out that there isn't a single "Linux
ecosystem". There are many Linux-based d
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 06:54:10PM -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> I changed the default gateway config to:
> ### Configure Static IP addresses and default gateway's.
> auto eth0
> iface eth0 inet static
> address 10.1.1.2/30
> up route add -net default gw 10.1.1.1 metric 1024 dev et
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 6:57 PM Andy Smith wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 07:04:22PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> > Surely if you are using NetworkManager you would just do it with nmcli.
> > I can't recite the incantations off the top of my head but I imagine
> > that creating a new interface is
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 06:46:20PM -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> I have been working out how to have my server setup with OSPF routing.
I have no operational experience of OSPF nor FRR. I do what you're doing
but with BIRD, BGP and ECMP. I think you'll probably need to ask
questions o
On Sunday, 01-12-2024 at 06:12 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 06:56:08PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 07:51:40PM +0100, Scott Andrews wrote:
> > > > The version of systemd in trixie (and also in sid) is 257 according
> > > > to packages.
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 6:46 PM Timothy M Butterworth <
timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> All,
>
> I have been working out how to have my server setup with OSPF routing. I
> have two network interfaces each configured with a /30 and one dummy
> loopback configured with a /32. The goal is t
All,
I have been working out how to have my server setup with OSPF routing. I
have two network interfaces each configured with a /30 and one dummy
loopback configured with a /32. The goal is to have the /32 address
advertised in DNS so traffic can use per-session load balancing across both
/30's.
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 05:08:29PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > The answer seems to be to install with LVM and encryption. That ensures
> > that the swap area is encrypted and *cannot* be messed with while the
> > device is hibernated (which is the rationale for Secure Boot not allowing
> > hib
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 10:45:37PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> > Is the option "-y" in the command not enough to prevent the prompt?
I forgot to add:
Using -y on dist-upgrade is a good way to completely destroy your system
given the slightest anomaly (and this is an upgrade to testing, so…) so
I r
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 05:38:40PM -0500, John Boxall wrote:
> apt-get -y --show-progress dist-upgrade
>
> During the dist-upgrade I am presented with the following prompt:
>
>
> Setting up fwupd (1.9.26-2) ...
>
> Configuration file '/etc/fwupd/fwupd.conf'
> ==> File on system crea
I am upgrading a bookworm vm (vmware workstation pro guest, bookworm
host) to "testing" (aka trixie/sid) to try it out. Both the guest and
host have all of the latest updates.
I am using the following commands to perform the upgrade, having already
updated sources.list:
apt-get -y --
On Saturday 30 November 2024 08:37:03 am Nicolas George wrote:
> Greg Wooledge (12024-11-29):
> > Now, you might ask why the systemd journal is being preferred and kept
> > over human-readable log files. I don't think anyone on debian-user
> > knows the answer to this.
>
> The answer is certainly
Hi,
On Sun, Dec 01, 2024 at 06:02:42AM +0800, Bitfox wrote:
> If /etc/profile and home dir’s .bash_profile have included the same command
> but with different arguments. Which one will be used then? Thank you.
Your question doesn't make a lot of sense since, as it is posed, in any
situation where
On 11/30/24 17:02, Bitfox wrote:
> If /etc/profile and home dir’s .bash_profile have included the same command
> but with different arguments. Which one will be used then? Thank you.
I think /etc/profile gets called first, but this is definitely a time for a
diagnostic echo or two.
> The answer seems to be to install with LVM and encryption. That ensures
> that the swap area is encrypted and *cannot* be messed with while the
> device is hibernated (which is the rationale for Secure Boot not allowing
> hibernation to a "naked" swap partition).
How does UEFI know about Debian'
If /etc/profile and home dir’s .bash_profile have included the same
command but with different arguments. Which one will be used then? Thank
you.
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 04:03:05PM -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> >> > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 3:05 PM Greg Wooledge
> >> wrote:
> >> > > To make it permanent, either add a line to /etc/sysctl.conf or add a
> >> > > new file in /etc/sysctl.d/ (check the README.sysctl file in there).
>
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 3:28 PM Timothy M Butterworth <
timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 3:16 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 15:12:01 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
>> > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 3:05 PM Greg Wooledge
>> wrote:
>> >
>
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 3:16 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 15:12:01 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 3:05 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 14:55:01 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> > > > I'm trying to configure pers
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 07:57:14PM +, Richmond wrote:
> It's because secure boot prevents it.
>
> :(
>
Hi Richmond,
A quick search with a search engine: boot is restricted, not impossible.
The answer seems to be to install with LVM and encryption. That ensures
that the swap area is encrypte
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 15:12:01 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 3:05 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 14:55:01 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> > > I'm trying to configure persistent IP Forwarding on Trixie. It used to be
> > > setup in /et
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 3:05 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 14:55:01 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> > I'm trying to configure persistent IP Forwarding on Trixie. It used to be
> > setup in /etc/sysctl but that file is no longer present.
> >
> > I used the sudo sysctl -w
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 02:55:01PM -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> I'm trying to configure persistent IP Forwarding on Trixie. It used to be
> setup in /etc/sysctl but that file is no longer present.
>
> I used the sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 command and it seems to
> work but
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 14:55:01 -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> I'm trying to configure persistent IP Forwarding on Trixie. It used to be
> setup in /etc/sysctl but that file is no longer present.
>
> I used the sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 command and it seems to
> work but where i
It's because secure boot prevents it.
:(
Hello,
I'm trying to configure persistent IP Forwarding on Trixie. It used to be
setup in /etc/sysctl but that file is no longer present.
I used the sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 command and it seems to
work but where is the setting stored at?
Thanks
--
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⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The univ
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 08:25:31PM +0100, john doe wrote:
> On 11/30/24 20:11, john doe wrote:
> > Not sure what the OP is trying to do here [1].
>
> [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/11/msg00827.html
Yes, I too was confused why they had ignored your advice (to use nmcli).
I was
On 11/30/24 20:11, john doe wrote:
On 11/30/24 20:04, Andy Smith wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 01:47:42PM -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 2:22 AM Timothy M Butterworth <
timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
sudo ip link add name ospf-lo type dummy
sudo ip l
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 02:10:58PM -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 2:22 AM Timothy M Butterworth <
> > timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> How do I make this interface persistent? I am on Debian Trixie and using
> >> NetworkManager.
> I got it to work
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 06:56:08PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 07:51:40PM +0100, Scott Andrews wrote:
> > > The version of systemd in trixie (and also in sid) is 257 according
> > > to packages.debian.org.
> > >
> > > I don't know whether that's the version trixie
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 07:04:22PM +, Andy Smith wrote:
> Surely if you are using NetworkManager you would just do it with nmcli.
> I can't recite the incantations off the top of my head but I imagine
> that creating a new interface is pretty simple.
My first web search led me to:
$ sudo nmcl
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 1:47 PM Timothy M Butterworth <
timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 2:22 AM Timothy M Butterworth <
> timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I created a loopback interface with the following commands:
>>
>> sudo ip link a
On 11/30/24 20:04, Andy Smith wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 01:47:42PM -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 2:22 AM Timothy M Butterworth <
timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
sudo ip link add name ospf-lo type dummy
sudo ip link set ospf-lo up
sudo ip addr add
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 01:47:42PM -0500, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 2:22 AM Timothy M Butterworth <
> timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > sudo ip link add name ospf-lo type dummy
> > sudo ip link set ospf-lo up
> > sudo ip addr add 10.0.0.1/32 dev ospf-lo
>
Hello,
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 07:51:40PM +0100, Scott Andrews wrote:
> > The version of systemd in trixie (and also in sid) is 257 according
> > to packages.debian.org.
> >
> > I don't know whether that's the version trixie is going to use upon
> > release, but if it is, then your v258 cutoff won
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 1:33 PM
> From: "Greg Wooledge"
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: where is mail.log
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 19:16:16 +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote:
> > Yes I do know what systemd-sysv is for (I run my own custom distribution).
> >
>
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 2:22 AM Timothy M Butterworth <
timothy.m.butterwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I created a loopback interface with the following commands:
>
> sudo ip link add name ospf-lo type dummy
> sudo ip link set ospf-lo up
> sudo ip addr add 10.0.0.1/32 dev ospf-lo
>
> How do
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 07:16:16PM +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote:
> > From: to...@tuxteam.de
> > Why all of Debian? As a SysV init user, I, of course, don't
> > have (nor had, ever) that package. That one is for systemd
> > users wishing some SysV backward compatibility.
>
> And that "SysV
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 19:16:16 +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote:
> Yes I do know what systemd-sysv is for (I run my own custom distribution).
>
> * Support for System V service scripts is deprecated and will be
> removed in v258. Please make sure to update your software
> *now* t
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 07:16:16PM +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote:
[...]
> And that "SysV backward compatibility" has been eliminated from systemd
Exactly. Thus, as a SysV init user, I don't need that package. Actually,
it would be counterproductive for me to install it...
> > I have the impr
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 12:58 PM
> From: to...@tuxteam.de
> To: "Scott Andrews"
> Cc: "Andy Smith" , debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: where is mail.log
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 06:31:56PM +0100, Scott Andrews wrote:
>
[...]
>
> > systemd-sysv 252.31-1~deb12u1
> >
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 06:31:56PM +0100, Scott Andrews wrote:
> > From: "Andy Smith"
> > Yes, that is what is being said: it is still possible to run Debian
> > without systemd. People are doing it. There are package maintainers that
> > wish to let people do it. Surprise! It's a funny old w
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 06:31:56PM +0100, Scott Andrews wrote:
[...]
> LOL No, just No
Strong emotions, but... why?
[...]
> systemd-sysv 252.31-1~deb12u1
> ^^
> Gone not longer supported
Why all of Debian? As a SysV init user, I, of course, don't
have (nor had, ev
Hibernate does not seem to be available on my system. My desktop is
Mate. When the system was installed I accepted the default swap space
size but this was way to small, only 1G for a system with 8G of RAM.
So I made a new swap space and set it up in /etc/fstab and set it up as
resume.
"
systemct
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 11:54 AM
> From: "Andy Smith"
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: where is mail.log
>
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 01:31:12PM +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote:
> > You did not comprehend what I posted.
>
> I think it is you who are havin
Hi,
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 01:31:12PM +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote:
> You did not comprehend what I posted.
I think it is you who are having problems reading.
> I am on the systemd mail list.
> They have dropped all sysV support.
> The only way you'll have init script support is if you rip
On 30 Nov 2024 08:53 -0500, from g...@wooledge.org (Greg Wooledge):
>> # awk '{ if($5 ~ "^postfix[[]") { print } }'
> That's a rather verbose way of writing that awk command.
>
> awk '$5 ~ "^postfix[[]"' /var/log/messages
>
> Also, I'm quite new to postfix, but this pattern doesn't appear t
On 30/11/2024 01:29, David Wright wrote:
On Thu 28 Nov 2024 at 21:52:05 (+0700), Max Nikulin wrote:
On 28/11/2024 11:13, David Wright wrote:
$ man -t bash | ps2pdf - /tmp/bash.pdf
/usr/share/doc/bash-doc/bash.pdf
/usr/share/doc/bash-doc/bashref.pdf
¹ With Letter size in xpdf, I press 3
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 14:45:01 +, Joe wrote:
> I don't know if it helps, but the current ghostscript on my Deb 12 is
> version 12u6, not 12u5.
>
> What happens when you try:
>
> apt upgrade ghostscript
"apt upgrade" does not take a package name as an argument. It tries
to upgrade *all*
On Fri, Nov 29, 2024, 8:56 PM Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 30/11/2024 01:00, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>> As the OP's link explicitly referenced "debian" I used Synaptic's
> >>> search function. There were no packages with "Erling" in package
> >>> name,
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 05:18:35 -0600
Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 11/29/24 12:30 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > On Thu 28 Nov 2024 at 07:55:37 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> >> Running Debian 12.7 with MATE
> >> When launching Synaptic I get a message saying
> >>[ You have 1 broken package on yo
On Sat, 30 Nov 2024 09:55:45 +0700
Max Nikulin wrote:
> On 30/11/2024 01:00, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >> On Fri, 29 Nov 2024, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >>> As the OP's link explicitly referenced "debian" I used Synaptic's
> >>> search function. There were no packages with "Erling" in package
> >
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 13:03:32 +, Michael Kjörling wrote:
> # awk '{ if($5 ~ "^postfix[[]") { print } }'
On 11/30/24 6:55 AM, Scott Andrews wrote:
Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 7:33 AM
From: "Bitfox"
To: poc...@homemail.com
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: where is mail.log
On 2024-11-30 20:31, poc...@homemail.com wrote:
You did not comprehend what I posted. I am on th
Bitfox (12024-11-30):
> May I ask what's the main difference between systemd and sysv for init
> system?
SysV Init is a bunch of fragile shell scripts with 80% boilerplate code
that will misbehave at the first unexpected circumstance and cannot even
tell you if your daemon has crashed or is runnin
Greg Wooledge (12024-11-29):
> Now, you might ask why the systemd journal is being preferred and kept
> over human-readable log files. I don't think anyone on debian-user
> knows the answer to this.
The answer is certainly the same as for the rest of systemd: the old
system had terrible flaws and
On 30 Nov 2024 20:33 +0800, from bit...@secubox.org (Bitfox):
> May I ask what's the main difference between systemd and sysv for init
> system?
I think it's fair to say that systemd does a great deal more, as well
as that it brings things into the init system which have traditionally
been done by
On Sat, Nov 30, 2024 at 08:33:34PM +0800, Bitfox wrote:
> On 2024-11-30 20:31, poc...@homemail.com wrote:
>
> > >
> >
> > You did not comprehend what I posted. I am on the systemd mail list.
> > They have dropped all sysV support.
>
> May I ask what's the main difference between systemd and sy
On 11/30/24 08:22, Timothy M Butterworth wrote:
I created a loopback interface with the following commands:
sudo ip link add name ospf-lo type dummy
sudo ip link set ospf-lo up
sudo ip addr add 10.0.0.1/32 dev ospf-lo
How do I make this interface persistent? I am on Debian Trixie and using
Netw
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 7:33 AM
> From: "Bitfox"
> To: poc...@homemail.com
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: where is mail.log
>
> On 2024-11-30 20:31, poc...@homemail.com wrote:
>
> >>
> >
> > You did not comprehend what I posted. I am on the systemd mail list.
On 11/30/24 03:39, Muhammad Nadeem Anjum wrote:
Dear Experts,
We are not experts by any means.
I am an experienced Linux server administrator, having started my
journey with Red Hat Linux 6.0 in 1999. Over the years, I have worked
with various Linux distributions such as CentOS and Ubuntu Se
On 2024-11-30 20:31, poc...@homemail.com wrote:
You did not comprehend what I posted. I am on the systemd mail list.
They have dropped all sysV support.
May I ask what's the main difference between systemd and sysv for init
system?
> Sent: Saturday, November 30, 2024 at 1:37 AM
> From: to...@tuxteam.de
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: where is mail.log
>
> On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 10:36:50PM +0100, poc...@homemail.com wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Because systemd is the init system on most all distributions.
>
> I
On Friday, 29-11-2024 at 21:30 Bitfox wrote:
> On 2024-11-29 10:08, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 19:13:12 -0500, Dan Ritter wrote:
> >> Bitfox wrote:
> >> > My OS is debian 12 without GUI.
> >> >
> >> > After I installed postifx by apt, I can't find the path to mail.log.
> >>
On 30 Nov 2024 07:39 +0500, from deb...@nexgntech.com (Muhammad Nadeem Anjum):
> I would greatly appreciate it if you could recommend any active mailing
> lists, forums, or discussion groups where Linux server administrators
> regularly exchange ideas, troubleshoot issues, and share solutions.
One
On 11/29/24 12:30 PM, David Wright wrote:
On Thu 28 Nov 2024 at 07:55:37 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
Running Debian 12.7 with MATE
When launching Synaptic I get a message saying
[ You have 1 broken package on your system!"
Use the "Broken" filter to locate it. ]
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