Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was"

2024-06-01 Thread Bret Busby
On 2/6/24 11:09, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sun, Jun 02, 2024 at 10:02:58AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. For examp

Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was"

2024-06-01 Thread Bret Busby
On 2/6/24 11:13, Bret Busby wrote: On 2/6/24 11:09, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sun, Jun 02, 2024 at 10:02:58AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email accordingly so that

Re: Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" (was: Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501))

2024-06-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Jun 02, 2024 at 10:02:58AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > If you change subject > > or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email > > accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. > > > > For example: New question [WA

Parenthesis or square brackets and "was" (was: Re: Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501))

2024-06-01 Thread Max Nikulin
On 02/06/2024 02:59, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: If you change subject or emphasis in mid-thread, please change the subject line on your email accordingly so that this can be clearly seen. For example: New question [WAS Old topic] Are square brackets intentional here? E.g. thunderbird strips "(wa

Re: advanced scripting problems - or wrong approach?

2024-06-01 Thread DdB
Am 01.06.2024 um 16:01 schrieb Greg Wooledge: >> i get the output from ls, but then the thing is hanging indefinitely, >> apparently not reaching the exit line. :( > Your first while loop never terminates. "while read ..." continues > running until read returns a nonzero exit status, either due to

Re: Installing a python package with pipx

2024-06-01 Thread Richard
On Sat, Jun 1, 2024, 23:50 Richmond wrote: > Richard writes: > > > A packages documentation is always your best friend: https://pypi.org > > /project/idle/ > > > > Yes it makes it look easy there, but: > > import idle > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "", line 1, in > File ".local

Re: Installing a python package with pipx

2024-06-01 Thread Richmond
Richard writes: > A packages documentation is always your best friend: https://pypi.org > /project/idle/ > Yes it makes it look easy there, but: import idle Traceback (most recent call last): File "", line 1, in File ".local/pipx/shared/lib/python3.11/site-packages/idle.py", line 4, in

Re: Installing a python package with pipx

2024-06-01 Thread Richard
A packages documentation is always your best friend: https://pypi.org/project/idle/ Also, python script isn't a necessarily a standalone executable. And also, you shouldn't just wildly mix pipx commands with pip commands if you don't know what you are doing. Either create a venv with python3 -m ve

Re[2]: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

2024-06-01 Thread Michael Grant
Dan Ritter wrote: The web browser technology called WebRTC does that quite well, but for security reasons -- nobody wants a self-perpetuating worm -- you need an intermediary device to introduce the two participants but not to actually transfer the file. And so there is snapdrop.net, which you c

Re: Installing a python package with pipx

2024-06-01 Thread Richmond
Richard writes: > Pretty much just what pipx does. > Well I don't know how. Now I need to run idle in my new environment. I have installed it .local/pipx/shared/bin/pip install idle and it is here: .local/pipx/shared/lib/python3.11/site-packages/idle.py but I don't know how to run it. I jus

Re: Installing a python package with pipx

2024-06-01 Thread Richard
Pretty much just what pipx does. On Sat, Jun 1, 2024, 22:00 Richmond wrote: > > I got it working by doing: > > python3 -m venv .local/pipx/venvs/musicpy/ > > .local/pipx/venvs/musicpy/bin/python3.11 > > Then I was able to import musicpy from the python shell. > > How bewildering! > > Thanks. > >

Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

2024-06-01 Thread Larry Martell
On Sat, Jun 1, 2024 at 2:24 AM gene heskett wrote: > Well, since I'm alone, my wife passed 3.5 years back, and was not > computer literate, its my show. And sshfs Just Works. I use this machine > as the src for my output for some 3d printers, although the 4 linuxcnc > machines are largely standalo

Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

2024-06-01 Thread gene heskett
On 6/1/24 06:07, Michael Grant wrote: I use sshfs, works great to let me drop files on my server from my desktop. But I wouldn't call that "file sharing".  I probably would call that a "network disk" or "remote mount". There's probably some formal definition out there, but when I think of fil

Re: advanced scripting problems - or wrong approach?

2024-06-01 Thread David Christensen
On 6/1/24 00:20, DdB wrote: Hello, for years have i been using a self-made backup script, that did mount a drive via USB, performed all kinds of plausibility checks, before actually backing up incrementally. Finally verifying success and logging the activities while kicking the ISB drive out. S

Re: Help! secure boot is preventing boot of debian

2024-06-01 Thread Richmond
Marco Moock writes: > Am 01.06.2024 um 20:01:43 Uhr schrieb Richmond: > >> Should I disable secure boot temporarily? will that allow booting? > > That should allow booting it. > > Have you changed anything at the keys in the EFI (maybe UEFI > firmware update)? OK I got it booted and re-installed

Re: Installing a python package with pipx

2024-06-01 Thread Richmond
Richard writes: > That's the point of venv's. pipx runpip should do the trick. Or the > classic way: source path/to/venv/bin/activate. That way you activate > the position virtual environment (venv) created in that directory > with all packages installed in that venv. > I got it working by doing

Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing list (last modified 20240501)

2024-06-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Codes of Conduct * The list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of

Re: Help! secure boot is preventing boot of debian

2024-06-01 Thread Marco Moock
Am 01.06.2024 um 20:01:43 Uhr schrieb Richmond: > Should I disable secure boot temporarily? will that allow booting? That should allow booting it. Have you changed anything at the keys in the EFI (maybe UEFI firmware update)? -- Gruß Marco Send unsolicited bulk mail to 1717264903mu...@cartoon

Help! secure boot is preventing boot of debian

2024-06-01 Thread Richmond
I have a PC with two operating systems installed, Debian, and Opensuse. Both are installed with Secure Boot. Each has its own grub installation. Normally I boot debian, and if I want to boot opensuse I select UEFI settings from the main menu and select opensuse from there which launches the opensus

Re: Installing a python package with pipx

2024-06-01 Thread Richard
That's the point of venv's. pipx runpip should do the trick. Or the classic way: source path/to/venv/bin/activate. That way you activate the position virtual environment (venv) created in that directory with all packages installed in that venv. Richard On Sat, Jun 1, 2024, 19:10 Richmond wrote:

Re: Installing a python package with pipx

2024-06-01 Thread Richmond
Richard writes: > Looking at the package, no wonder it fails. musicpy doesn't contain > anything that can be executed. So pipx run can't work for obvious > reasons. You'll have to install it with pipx install and use it in a > python script. > > https://pypi.org/project/musicpy/ > OK so I have f

Re: Installing a python package with pipx

2024-06-01 Thread Richard
Looking at the package, no wonder it fails. musicpy doesn't contain anything that can be executed. So pipx run can't work for obvious reasons. You'll have to install it with pipx install and use it in a python script. https://pypi.org/project/musicpy/ Richard On Sat, Jun 1, 2024, 18:40 Richmond

Re: Installing a python package with pipx

2024-06-01 Thread Richmond
Richard writes: > If you haven't closed the terminal window/logged out, you need to run > source .bashrc. Running pipx ensurepath should have said something > like that. Yes, I did this: > > (logged out and in to get updated PATH)

Re: Installing a python package with pipx

2024-06-01 Thread Richard
If you haven't closed the terminal window/logged out, you need to run source .bashrc. Running pipx ensurepath should have said something like that. Richard On Sat, Jun 1, 2024, 18:10 Richmond wrote: > I have been trying to install this: > > https://pypi.org/project/musicpy/#description > > with

Installing a python package with pipx

2024-06-01 Thread Richmond
I have been trying to install this: https://pypi.org/project/musicpy/#description with not much success. I have done these: sudo aptitude install pip sudo aptitude install pipx pipx ensurepath pipx install --include-deps musicpy (logged out and in to get updated PATH) pipx run musicpy 'music

Re: tree with dir size

2024-06-01 Thread Lee
On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 11:18 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, May 31, 2024 at 09:35:59PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > If a coloured ] is unimportant, I suppose you could use: > > > > tree --du -Fh whatever | grep --color '][[:space:]][[:space:]].*/$' > > You don't need to count spaces. Jus

Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

2024-06-01 Thread Joe
On Sat, 01 Jun 2024 10:06:43 + "Michael Grant" wrote: > > To this day, I have yet ever to see an easy way to share a file > between 2 devices without full internet connectivity, except by say > getting one to run an ftp or ssh server and ftp or ssh'ing over the > file between local ip addrs

Re: advanced scripting problems - or wrong approach?

2024-06-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Jun 01, 2024 at 09:20:59AM +0200, DdB wrote: > > #!/bin/bash -e > > > > coproc { bash; } > > exec 5<&${COPROC[0]} 6>&${COPROC[1]} > > fd=5 > > > > echo "ls" >&6 > > while IFS= read -ru $fd line > > do > > printf '%s\n' "$line" > > done > > > > printf "%s\n" "sleep 3;exit" >&6 > > whi

Re: [solved] Re: No login with Debian 12 ssh client, ssh-rsa key, Debian 8 sshd

2024-06-01 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
Just to compare, when Red Hat released 9.0 maybe 2 years ago (9.2 is current until 30 June) they disabled by default many older key-lengths and algorithms in SSL that were known to be weak. This caused issues for existing installations. You could either re-enable the weaker methods (easy but a pain

Re: [Solved]: What DE to replace GNOME with?

2024-06-01 Thread songbird
DdB wrote: ... > But i cannot endorse on bookworm without finding alternatives viable to > my handicap. Does that mean, i am back to square one? > Currently, i am 6 years behind (still on debian 10), because i was not > willing to lose functionality i am used to. BTW: the GNOME team did that > to m

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-06-01 Thread songbird
Thomas Schmitt wrote: ... > Thanks for this description of a real world procedure. > Now i know at least that i am not the only one who cares about the > post-upgrade steps in the manual. I already began to think that everybody > lets the surplus packages rot in the dark. i have been running the

Re: Re[2]: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

2024-06-01 Thread songbird
Michael Grant wrote: ... > I have long been plagued by the problem if sitting in a room or on a > boat with someone, 2 devices right next to one another, and no trivially > easy way to send a file from one device to the other without say first > uploading it to some mutual third party (e.g. what

Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

2024-06-01 Thread Dan Ritter
Michael Grant wrote: > I have long been plagued by the problem if sitting in a room or on a boat > with someone, 2 devices right next to one another, and no trivially easy way > to send a file from one device to the other without say first uploading it > to some mutual third party (e.g. whatsapp).

Re: [solved] Re: No login with Debian 12 ssh client, ssh-rsa key, Debian 8 sshd

2024-06-01 Thread Max Nikulin
On 01/06/2024 16:42, Thomas Schmitt wrote: debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-5 (I wonder what the string "Debian-5" may mean. The Debian 12 machine has debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_9.2p1 Debian-2+deb12u2 So "-5" is not the

Re: [Solved]: What DE to replace GNOME with?

2024-06-01 Thread Dan Ritter
DdB wrote: > Am 01.06.2024 um 11:02 schrieb Andrew M.A. Cater: > > You would need to go from buster - bullseye to bookworm anyway. > > > > Read the Release Notes for Bullseye to pick up on any changes. > > > > Do note also that Bookworm is currently supported: Bullseye security > > support ends

Re: [Solved]: What DE to replace GNOME with?

2024-06-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 1 Jun 2024 11:47:59 +0200 DdB wrote: Hello DdB, >BTW: the GNOME team did that to me repeatedly In fairness, it's not just Gnome that erodes features. TBH, they *all* do it. I've seen features removed from Plasma, Claws Mail, Tellico, loads of stuff. Worst of all is when the removal g

Re[2]: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

2024-06-01 Thread Michael Grant
I use sshfs, works great to let me drop files on my server from my desktop. But I wouldn't call that "file sharing". I probably would call that a "network disk" or "remote mount". There's probably some formal definition out there, but when I think of file sharing, I think of someone profferin

Re: [Solved]: What DE to replace GNOME with?

2024-06-01 Thread DdB
Am 01.06.2024 um 11:02 schrieb Andrew M.A. Cater: > You would need to go from buster - bullseye to bookworm anyway. > > Read the Release Notes for Bullseye to pick up on any changes. > > Do note also that Bookworm is currently supported: Bullseye security > support ends round July 31st this year

[solved] Re: No login with Debian 12 ssh client, ssh-rsa key, Debian 8 sshd

2024-06-01 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > If I am not mistaken, the problem you are experiencing is due to using > RSA/SHA-1 on the old machine. Max Nikulin wrote: > My reading of /usr/share/doc/openssh-client/NEWS.Debian.gz is that ssh-rsa > means SHA1 while clients offers SHA256 for the same id_rsa key. Ind

Re: Question About Free File Transfering Apps

2024-06-01 Thread gene heskett
On 5/31/24 22:37, David Wright wrote: On Fri 31 May 2024 at 17:30:19 (+0100), mick.crane wrote: On 2024-05-31 13:58, gene heskett wrote: On 5/30/24 20:09, mick.crane wrote: On 2024-05-29 15:07, Carter Zhang wrote: Are there any free apps for GNU/Linux and Android to share files over LAN? Ther

Re: advanced scripting problems - or wrong approach?

2024-06-01 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jun 01, 2024 at 10:53:45AM +0200, DdB wrote: > Am 01.06.2024 um 09:20 schrieb DdB: > > Hello, > > > I get it: you wouldnt trust my scripts. That wasn't the point. I'm just not in the situation to debug it at the moment. > Thats fine with me. But my > experience is quite different: Softwa

Re: [Solved]: What DE to replace GNOME with?

2024-06-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Jun 01, 2024 at 08:52:14AM +0200, DdB wrote: > Am 31.05.2024 um 12:57 schrieb DdB: > > Hello, > > > > > > Now is the time to plan ahead for years to come and i don't know, what i > > should do. > > > > DdB > > Thanks for all your input. > In the meantime, i did check for the specific gn

Re: advanced scripting problems - or wrong approach?

2024-06-01 Thread DdB
Am 01.06.2024 um 09:20 schrieb DdB: > Hello, > I get it: you wouldnt trust my scripts. Thats fine with me. But my experience is quite different: Software, i prefer using is such, that i keep control. And because backup means different things to different people, i did not bother to explain, what i

Re: advanced scripting problems - or wrong approach?

2024-06-01 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jun 01, 2024 at 08:20:08AM +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > On 1 Jun 2024 10:11 +0200, from to...@tuxteam.de: > >> for years have i been using a self-made backup script [...] > > > > I won't get into that -- I can't even fathom why you'd need coproc > > for a backup script. I tend to keep

Re: advanced scripting problems - or wrong approach?

2024-06-01 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 1 Jun 2024 10:11 +0200, from to...@tuxteam.de: >> for years have i been using a self-made backup script [...] > > I won't get into that -- I can't even fathom why you'd need coproc > for a backup script. I tend to keep things simple -- they tend to > thank me in failing less often and in more u

Re: advanced scripting problems - or wrong approach?

2024-06-01 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jun 01, 2024 at 09:20:59AM +0200, DdB wrote: > Hello, > > for years have i been using a self-made backup script [...] I won't get into that -- I can't even fathom why you'd need coproc for a backup script. I tend to keep things simple -- they tend to thank me in failing less often and in

Re: After upgrade, what do you do about "removed" and "obsolete" packages ?

2024-06-01 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Florent Rougon wrote: > AFAIK, these are not wildcards; each star appended to a package name > indicates that the package is going to be purged At least it is a good way to catch the attention of the apt operator. :)) > tl;dr: aptitude praise Thanks for this description of a real world pro

advanced scripting problems - or wrong approach?

2024-06-01 Thread DdB
Hello, for years have i been using a self-made backup script, that did mount a drive via USB, performed all kinds of plausibility checks, before actually backing up incrementally. Finally verifying success and logging the activities while kicking the ISB drive out. Since a few months, i do have a