Am Fri, 23 Feb 2024 14:47:41 -0500
schrieb James Klaas :
> "Generic PCL 6/PCL XL Printer Foomatic/pxlcolor (recommended)"
Do you know the file that provides that?
If so, you apt-file search "file" to find the package that provides it.
but what are the advantages of journald's representation compared
to a naive one?
>>>
>>> in short: querability without text parsing. That's about it.
>>
>> They have to parse the binary format, so that's not in and of itself
>> an upside compared to parsing CSV.
>>
>> I've made my sha
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:17 PM The Wanderer wrote:
>
> On 2024-02-23 at 15:35, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>
> >>> but what are the advantages of journald's representation compared
> >>> to a naive one?
> >>
> >> in short: querability without text parsing. That's about it.
> >
> > They have to parse t
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 01:35:14PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> I wrote:
> > You seem by now to have ignored multiple messages where it was made
> > clear that the work was already done.
>
> Assuming we care about the most rapid healing possible for those who
> are actually triggered by ce
>> Yeah like asking other people to do changes because they want to be
>> activists on internet but can't bother to put effort to do anything
>> that actually helps anyone.
>
> You seem by now to have ignored multiple messages where it was made
> clear that the work was already done.
Assuming we c
On 2024-02-23 at 15:35, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>> but what are the advantages of journald's representation compared
>>> to a naive one?
>>
>> in short: querability without text parsing. That's about it.
>
> They have to parse the binary format, so that's not in and of itself
> an upside compared
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 21:10:31 +0100
Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> I just think this mailing
> list probably is not the right place to argue this question.
Hear, hear!
Those who wish to weigh in have done so. I doubt any further
argumentation will change anyone else's mind. Now kindly stop wasting
y
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 09:26:09PM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> in my /etc/interfaces there is now:
>
> auto bond0
> iface bond0 inet static
> address 10.0.16.2/24
> bond-slaves en0 en1
> bond-mode 4
> bond-miimon 100
> bond-downdelay 200
> bond-updelay
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024, 2:57 PM Dan Ritter wrote:
> Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > Makes one wonder why they don't use naive append-only "plain text" logs
> > (tho with appropriate delimiters (maybe some kind of CSV) to make
> > searches more reliable than with old-style plain text logs)?
> >
> > What a
On Fri, 2024-02-23 at 20:10 +, Andy Smith wrote:
> One more time: a successor to the Ethernet bonding driver already
> exists and has for more than 10 years.
That is the other thing I wanted to ask here, I have configured a
LACP link aggregating interface more or less similar to what is
descri
> systemd's design philosophy, observed from the outside, goes
> like this:
Let's try and stick to the subject of the log representation in
`journald`, because we all know about the varied opinions about SystemD.
Being an "old-hand", I'm not in love of SystemD, but the thing does have
its upsides
>> Oh, that bug report is quite interesting, thanks.
>> Makes one wonder why they don't use naive append-only "plain text"
>> logs (tho with appropriate delimiters (maybe some kind of CSV) to make
>> searches more reliable than with old-style plain text logs)?
>>
>> What are the advantages of jour
On Fri, 2024-02-23 at 18:13 +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> "Do what I say, discussion is not allowed because I don't want to
> make a sensible arguments!"
This certainly is not my position. I have no problem arguing this
question, and I've got an opinion on it. I just think this mailing
l
On Fri, 2024-02-23 at 11:07 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>
> Debian is mostly a collection of many packages that are packed in the
> repo.Such changes are normally done upstream.
I found e.g. this on upstream work on that topic:
https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/e515b840-c6f1-bc07-9369-c95e35257...@so
I was going to submit a bug for this but I don't know what package I
should report the bug against.
Debian bugreport says:
Please enter the name of the package in which you have found a problem,
or type 'other' to report a more general problem. If you don't know what
package the bug is in, ple
Hello,
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 06:14:02PM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 14:50:12
> fxkl4...@protonmail.com napisał(a):
> > too many people have nothing constuctive to do
> > so they spend there days stirring the pile
> > idle hands and all that
>
> Yeah like asking
Dan Ritter writes:
> Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>>
>> I don't want to bikeshed, though. Slavery ended in the US about 150
>> years ago. I don't know any slaves, and I don't own any slaves, so I
>> don't really have a dog in the fight.
>
>
> Point of fact: slavery is legal in the USA, as a legal puni
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 1:13 PM Gremlin wrote:
>
> On 2/23/24 12:51, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>
> [ >/dev/null ]
>
> >
> > Let's bring it back around to actual action.
> >
> > The possible positions:
> >
> > 1. The terminology is bad, and I'm willing to work on fixing it.
> >
>
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 5:36 AM Ralph Aichinger wrote:
>
> I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> political aspects of the "why", but just want to know the facts, i.e.
> how far this has been progressed in Debian.
>
> Is there anything planned to get "master/slave" ter
Am 23.02.2024 um 12:51:59 Uhr schrieb Dan Ritter:
> 1. The terminology is bad, and I'm willing to work on fixing it.
>
> 2. The terminology is bad, but I can't work on it myself.
>
> 3. The terminology does not bother me, but I don't care if someone
> else wants to fix it.
>
> 4. The terminolog
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:24:39AM +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 23.02.2024 schrieb Alain D D Williams :
>
> > It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers. Should we scour
> > our systems looking for similar issues in other languages ?
[...]
Fifty years ago it was "normal" to beat kids
On 2/23/24 12:51, Dan Ritter wrote:
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
[ >/dev/null ]
Let's bring it back around to actual action.
The possible positions:
1. The terminology is bad, and I'm willing to work on fixing it.
2. The terminology is bad, but I can't work on it myself.
3. The terminology does
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>
> I don't want to bikeshed, though. Slavery ended in the US about 150
> years ago. I don't know any slaves, and I don't own any slaves, so I
> don't really have a dog in the fight.
Point of fact: slavery is legal in the USA, as a legal punishment.
Other point of fact: t
Stefan Monnier wrote:
> Makes one wonder why they don't use naive append-only "plain text" logs
> (tho with appropriate delimiters (maybe some kind of CSV) to make
> searches more reliable than with old-style plain text logs)?
>
> What are the advantages of journald's representation?
> I mean, to
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 14:50:12
fxkl4...@protonmail.com napisał(a):
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Andy Smith wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:19:16AM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> >> I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> >> political aspects of the
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 14:44:03
Andy Smith napisał(a):
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:19:16AM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> > I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> > political aspects of the "why",
>
> No surprise that there are a lot of people in this
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 10:26:49
Stefan Monnier napisał(a):
> > [13:37:48]cthulhu:/var/log/journal☠ journalctl |dd of=/dev/zero
> > bs=1M 0+15442 records in
> > 0+15442 records out
> > 63643115 bytes (64 MB, 61 MiB) copied, 5,47791 s, 11,6 MB/s
> > du -h /var/log/journal/
> > 337M/var/lo
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 5:08 AM Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 22.02.2024 schrieb Ralph Aichinger :
> [...]
> > Is there anything planned to get "master/slave" terminology out of
> > network bonding/LACP in Debian (or Linux kernel or whoever decides
> > this terminology)? I know these things are slow to
On 23/02/2024 17:15, Nicolas George wrote:
How do I tell systemd's logging system to keep authentication logs for
one year and mail logs for one month?
I am realizing that the following is not an answer to the asked
question. The thread is no more than useless arguing anyway.
Some ideas tha
> [13:37:48]cthulhu:/var/log/journal☠ journalctl |dd of=/dev/zero bs=1M
> 0+15442 records in
> 0+15442 records out
> 63643115 bytes (64 MB, 61 MiB) copied, 5,47791 s, 11,6 MB/s
> du -h /var/log/journal/
> 337M /var/log/journal/44cf6f547971fc33309d1e9e02e7
> 337M /var/log/journal/
>
> (I've ra
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:19:16AM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
>> I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
>> political aspects of the "why",
>
> No surprise that there are a lot of people in this thread with very
> strong
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:19:16AM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> political aspects of the "why",
No surprise that there are a lot of people in this thread with very
strong feelings that they simply must tell us about, even
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:33:08AM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> It would *literally* break every single script that checks the status
> of bonding config in system, as it is all just plain text.
Unless a different driver was made instead. Which is what actually
happened.
Thanks,
Andy
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 12:14:10PM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 11:25:25
> Roger Price napisał(a):
> > On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Marco Moock wrote:
> > > The only package I am aware of that changed some terms is sendmail.
> > >
> >
> > With the publication of RFC
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 14:23:07
Nicolas George napisał(a):
> Mariusz Gronczewski (12024-02-23):
> > Like, really what kind of person gets angry when they get too much
> > details in instruction?
>
> What kind of person writes pages of angry mail when the details are
> not liked?
>
That wou
Mariusz Gronczewski (12024-02-23):
> Like, really what kind of person gets angry when they get too much
> details in instruction?
What kind of person writes pages of angry mail when the details are not
liked?
--
Nicolas George
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 14:09:45
Nicolas George napisał(a):
> Greg Wooledge (12024-02-23):
> > Have you even *read* this mailing list? Most of the people who ask
> > for help here lack experience that you might consider "baby
> > sysadmin" level, and would greatly appreciate the explanations.
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 14:03:50
Nicolas George napisał(a):
> Greg Wooledge (12024-02-23):
> > What was "blind" about his anaylsis? It looked pretty well thought
> > out to me. He showed actual examples of how space-inefficient it
> > is, and provided a theoretical example of how one misbehave
Greg Wooledge (12024-02-23):
> Have you even *read* this mailing list? Most of the people who ask
> for help here lack experience that you might consider "baby sysadmin"
> level, and would greatly appreciate the explanations.
It is usually quite easy to tell the difference by the phrasing and
acc
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 13:48:35
Nicolas George napisał(a):
> Mariusz Gronczewski (12024-02-23):
> > So to say it short: It is horrid.
>
> Generic bashing of systemd in favor of a blind cult of the good old
> ways are not what I am looking for either, and the unbalanced tone of
> your reply m
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 02:03:50PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> When somebody spends one line answering the question and then pages
> “offering an alternative” by explaining things a baby sysadmin would
> already know, I deduce they are not much above the level of baby
> sysadmin themselves, and
Greg Wooledge (12024-02-23):
> What was "blind" about his anaylsis? It looked pretty well thought out
> to me. He showed actual examples of how space-inefficient it is, and
> provided a theoretical example of how one misbehaved service could
> flush out the important logs of well-behaved services
First of all: I use german during installation; but I doubt that is
relevant.
Marco Moock:
Am 22.02.2024 schrieb Frank Weißer :
I only choose ext2 for formatting the encrypted partition, because
nothing else is offered.
That is really strange. If I did install Debian 12, it offered me a
lis
On 02/23/2024 07:33 AM, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 12:40:19
Arno Lehmann napisał(a):
On 23.02.24 at 10:33, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
Hello!
I know this is a loaded topic...
...
There is no good reason *why*. It's ent
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 01:48:35PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> Mariusz Gronczewski (12024-02-23):
> > So to say it short: It is horrid.
>
> Generic bashing of systemd in favor of a blind cult of the good old ways
> are not what I am looking for either, and the unbalanced tone of your
> reply ma
Mariusz Gronczewski (12024-02-23):
> So to say it short: It is horrid.
Generic bashing of systemd in favor of a blind cult of the good old ways
are not what I am looking for either, and the unbalanced tone of your
reply makes it look like precisely that.
--
Nicolas George
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 13:02:00
Nicolas George napisał(a):
> Mariusz Gronczewski (12024-02-23):
> > That is not a feature systemd's logging have.
>
> That is what it seems, but I would like second opinions.
>
> > You'd have to make a
> > rsyslogd
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 12:40:19
Arno Lehmann napisał(a):
> On 23.02.24 at 10:33, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> > On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> >> Hello!
> >>
> >> I know this is a loaded topic...
> ...
> > There is no good reason *why*. It's entirely US political feel-good
>
Am 22.02.2024 schrieb Frank Weißer :
> I only choose ext2 for formatting the encrypted partition, because
> nothing else is offered.
That is really strange. If I did install Debian 12, it offered me a
list of different file systems, including ext2/3/4.
> Despite that the partition in fact is ge
Am 23.02.2024 schrieb Arno Lehmann :
> If there's a single person in the world who feels existing
> terminology to hurt them, I consider my usage of such terms.
Everytime there is somebody who doesn't like something.
I mostly care about technology and not the feelings a small amount of
users has.
Mariusz Gronczewski (12024-02-23):
> That is not a feature systemd's logging have.
That is what it seems, but I would like second opinions.
> You'd have to make a
> rsyslogd rule to put it in one directory
Thanks, but my question was about systemd's
Sigh.
Please don't respond to spam, it just magnifies the noise.
I'm already updating our anti-spam rules regularly to try and keep
things as clean as possible.
--
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Can't keep my eyes from the circling sky,
Tongue-tie
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 11:15:29
Nicolas George napisał(a):
> Hi.
>
> It might be an obvious question, but I do not manage to find the
> obvious answer:
>
> How do I tell systemd's logging system to keep authentication logs for
> one year and mail logs for one month?
>
> Regards,
>
That is
On 23.02.24 at 10:33, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
Hello!
I know this is a loaded topic...
...
There is no good reason *why*. It's entirely US political feel-good
activism
Statement one above proven.
...
All it does is wastes tens of thousands of p
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 10:54:09
napisał(a):
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:33:08AM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> > On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> > > political aspects of the "why",
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 11:25:25
Roger Price napisał(a):
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Marco Moock wrote:
>
> > The only package I am aware of that changed some terms is sendmail.
> >
>
> With the publication of RFC 9271 "UPS Management Protocol", the nut
> packages (Network UPS Tools) did a vocabu
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Marco Moock wrote:
The only package I am aware of that changed some terms is sendmail.
With the publication of RFC 9271 "UPS Management Protocol", the nut packages
(Network UPS Tools) did a vocabulary cleanup at release 2.8.0 which included
changing Master/Slave to Prima
Am 23.02.2024 schrieb Alain D D Williams :
> It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers. Should we scour
> our systems looking for similar issues in other languages ? Then in,
> say, 20 years time when different words will then be considered
> offensive, by some, do this all again ?
In
Hi.
It might be an obvious question, but I do not manage to find the obvious
answer:
How do I tell systemd's logging system to keep authentication logs for
one year and mail logs for one month?
Regards,
--
Nicolas George
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:00:39AM +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 23.02.2024 schrieb :
[...]
> > Oh, goody. A culture warrior.
>
> I'm sure you have good reasons for changing the terms. Feel free to
> provide some real arguments that have a benefit for the users.
I'm not the one proposing chang
Am 22.02.2024 schrieb Ralph Aichinger :
> I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> political aspects of the "why", but just want to know the facts, i.e.
> how far this has been progressed in Debian.
Debian is mostly a collection of many packages that are packed in the
r
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:33:08AM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> > political aspects of the "why", but just want to know the facts, i.e.
> > how far this has bee
Am 23.02.2024 schrieb :
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:33:08AM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> > On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> > > political aspects of the "why", but just want to know t
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:33:08AM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> > political aspects of the "why", but just want to know the facts, i.e.
> > how far this has bee
On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
Hello!
I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
political aspects of the "why", but just want to know the facts, i.e.
how far this has been progressed in Debian.
There is no good reason *why*. It's entirely US political feel-
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