Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

Le 27/06/2023 à 05:06, Greg Wooledge a écrit : A lot of people who run stable releases use automatic upgrades. This is a thing that will attempt to run "apt update" and "apt upgrade" automatically for you in the background. If you use the "stable" label in your source.list file, and if you als

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

On 6/26/23 23:30, Charles Curley wrote: On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 14:07:45 -0400 gene heskett wrote: that got noisy, I turned on the plugged n camera for about 10 secs: Jun 26 14:03:41 coyote systemd[2283]: gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. In that case, use jou

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 07:15:52PM -0400, songbird wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > ... > > Yikes. Those gnomies do love complexity. I know why our ways parted > > long ago. > > yes, among the many other assumptions. i'm afraid though > that some of these things creep into MATE in time. :(

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

On 6/26/23 19:56, Bret Busby wrote: On 27/6/23 07:15, songbird wrote: to...@tuxteam.de wrote: ... Yikes. Those gnomies do love complexity. I know why our ways parted long ago.    yes, among the many other assumptions.  i'm afraid though that some of these things creep into MATE in time.  :(

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 10:51:36PM -0400, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 22:10:38 -0400 > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 09:53:33PM -0400, pa...@quillandmouse.com > > wrote: > > > > * Stable/OldStable/OldOldStable to refer to the current and > > > > previ

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

On 6/26/23 19:16, songbird wrote: to...@tuxteam.de wrote: ... Yikes. Those gnomies do love complexity. I know why our ways parted long ago. yes, among the many other assumptions. i'm afraid though that some of these things creep into MATE in time. :( You might try disabling gvfs-gphoto

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 14:07:45 -0400 gene heskett wrote: > that got noisy, I turned on the plugged n camera for about 10 secs: > Jun 26 14:03:41 coyote systemd[2283]: > gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. In that case, use journalctl -f -u gvfs-gphoto2-volume-mon

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 10:51:36PM -0400, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 22:10:38 -0400 > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > DO NOT USE "stable" IN YOUR sources.list FILE! > > > And this is because... ? Because a full release upgrade is a process that requires planning and executi

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 22:10:38 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 09:53:33PM -0400, pa...@quillandmouse.com > wrote: > > > * Stable/OldStable/OldOldStable to refer to the current and > > > previous releases > > > > This sounds good in theory, but in the sources.list file, Debian

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 09:53:33PM -0400, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: > > * Stable/OldStable/OldOldStable to refer to the current and previous > > releases > > This sounds good in theory, but in the sources.list file, Debian > defaults to the code names, not "stable"/"testing"/"unstable". Fixi

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 21:01:17 +0200 Nicolas George wrote: [snip] > Twenty five years ago I started naming my computers after the > characters in an obscure French sci-fi duology. The names are still > pretty much unique, but I have had trouble finding names for new > boxes, especially since it ha

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 17:04:57 +0100 Darac Marjal wrote: > > On 26/06/2023 09:18, Roger Price wrote: > > I have difficulty remembering the Debian code names for releases > > Buzz Rex Bo Hamm Slink Potato Woody Sarge Etch Lenny Squeeze Wheezy > > Jessie Stretch Buster Bullseye Bookworm Trixie and F

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

Bret Busby wrote: ... > I simply use shotwell. It works for me, without any problems. i use shotwell for tagging and being able to find certain pictures by tag or by date (or both), but eventually i still want an easy way to find specific files easily and so i have a separate index by date so i

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

On 27/6/23 07:15, songbird wrote: to...@tuxteam.de wrote: ... Yikes. Those gnomies do love complexity. I know why our ways parted long ago. yes, among the many other assumptions. i'm afraid though that some of these things creep into MATE in time. :( You might try disabling gvfs-gphoto

Re: Please help with not booting from USB so to install Debian

On 10/6/23 00:22, Bret Busby wrote: On 10/6/23 00:05, Bret Busby wrote: On 9/6/23 23:34, Bret Busby wrote: On 9/6/23 18:43, Rodolfo Medina wrote: Rodolfo Medina writes: I want to install Debian on a new machine but don't manage to boot from USB stick.  (I can do so regularly with another ma

Re: Hddtemp in Bookworm

On 26/06/2023 23:01, Gareth Evans wrote: Exactly. hddtemp is dormant, won't be included in current stable and future releases: Is this documented anywhere in relation to the current release? It's been removed from unstable and testing in 2021, and consequently, missed Bookworm. It's not goi

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

to...@tuxteam.de wrote: ... > Yikes. Those gnomies do love complexity. I know why our ways parted > long ago. yes, among the many other assumptions. i'm afraid though that some of these things creep into MATE in time. :( > You might try disabling gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor.service and see >

Re: Hddtemp in Bookworm

On 6/26/23 16:13, piorunz wrote: On 26/06/2023 19:17, Gareth Evans wrote: ...but this "recommends" presumably won't be available in a fresh Bookworm installation, since $ apt policy hddtemp hddtemp:    Installed: 0.3-beta15-54    Candidate: 0.3-beta15-54    Version table:   *** 0.3-beta15-54 1

Re: Hddtemp in Bookworm

On Mon 26 Jun 2023, at 21:13, piorunz wrote: > On 26/06/2023 19:17, Gareth Evans wrote: >> ...but this "recommends" presumably won't be available in a fresh Bookworm >> installation, since >> >> $ apt policy hddtemp >> hddtemp: >>Installed: 0.3-beta15-54 >>Candidate: 0.3-beta15-54 >>V

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 4:45 PM Dan Ritter wrote: > > riveravaldez wrote: > > It would be possible, as an alternative, to populate sources.list with > > '2021', > > for instance, instead of 'bullseye', 'bookworm', etc.? > > > > We could have something like, 'Debian 2023 - Bookworm', so, preservin

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

riveravaldez wrote: > It would be possible, as an alternative, to populate sources.list with '2021', > for instance, instead of 'bullseye', 'bookworm', etc.? > > We could have something like, 'Debian 2023 - Bookworm', so, preserving > tradition, but allowing '2023' to be used as an alternative re

Re: Hddtemp in Bookworm

On 26/06/2023 19:17, Gareth Evans wrote: ...but this "recommends" presumably won't be available in a fresh Bookworm installation, since $ apt policy hddtemp hddtemp: Installed: 0.3-beta15-54 Candidate: 0.3-beta15-54 Version table: *** 0.3-beta15-54 100 100 /var/lib/dpkg/stat

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On 6/26/23, Nicolas George wrote: > ghe2001 (12023-06-26): > (...) > What works for Ubuntu is that their version numbers are really the year. > We know what year we are in, usually. It would be possible, as an alternative, to populate sources.list with '2021', for instance, instead of 'bullseye',

Re: package managers problem

On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 11:57:57 +0100 Joe wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 18:41:08 -0400 > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 06:35:48PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > 0 upgraded, 164 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > > > Need to get 44.5 MB of archives. > > > Aft

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On 27/06/2023 03:40, Kent West wrote: Code-names are awesome. I prefer them to be something like "First" or "Secundo" or "Twelve" The wallpaper for Ubuntu Hardy Heron was exquisite. -- Ash Joubert (they/them) Director / Game Developer Transient Software Limited New

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 01:16:05PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 6/26/23 12:18, songbird wrote: > > gene heskett wrote: > > > Greetimgs all; > > > > > > Something wiped my passwd so was forced to install bookworm. This time I > > > install both kde and gnome desktops, gnome looks great, just one

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 06:33:37PM +0200, Roger Price wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023, Darac Marjal wrote: > The reason for Debian using code names - and it was one of the first Linux distributions to use code names routinely - was very simple. Debian 1.0 never happened. InfoMagic took a copy of De

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

ghe2001 (12023-06-26): > I've been using Debian for some 20 years, and I've had the impression > that Ian started with the major characters in Toy Story and the names > have moved toward the minor ones (no proof, just an impression). That is the problem with major characters, there are a limited n

trouble with VPN deactivation

Hi, I am using a Debian Sid system with the GNOME desktop related packages from experimental (GNOME 44). And: $ id uid=1001(patrice) gid=1001(patrice) groupes=1001(patrice),4(adm),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),109(netdev),113(bluetooth),117(scanner),135(

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I've been using Debian for some 20 years, and I've had the impression that Ian started with the major characters in Toy Story and the names have moved toward the minor ones (no proof, just an impression). I'm sure it seemed to be a good idea at t

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

On 6/26/23 14:17, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 02:07:45PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 6/26/23 13:45, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: journalctl -f that got noisy, I turned on the plugged n camera for about 10 secs: Jun 26 14:03:41 coyote systemd[2283]: gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor.

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

On 6/26/23 14:17, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 02:07:45PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 6/26/23 13:45, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: journalctl -f that got noisy, I turned on the plugged n camera for about 10 secs: Jun 26 14:03:41 coyote systemd[2283]: gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor.

Re: Hddtemp in Bookworm

On Mon 26 Jun 2023, at 17:53, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > I have been testing Bullseye This contrasts with the subject's mention of Bookworm, so I am assuming you mean Bookworm (that is, Debian 12) > in a VM and haven't encountered any > problems, at least not until now. > > It would appear t

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 02:07:45PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 6/26/23 13:45, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > journalctl -f > that got noisy, I turned on the plugged n camera for about 10 secs: > Jun 26 14:03:41 coyote systemd[2283]: gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor.service: > Failed with result 'exit-c

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

On 6/26/23 13:45, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: journalctl -f that got noisy, I turned on the plugged n camera for about 10 secs: Jun 26 14:03:41 coyote systemd[2283]: gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'. Jun 26 14:03:41 coyote systemd[2283]: Failed to start gvfs-gpho

Re: Hddtemp in Bookworm

On 26/06/2023 17:53, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: I have been testing Bullseye in a VM and haven't encountered any problems, at least not until now. It would appear that hddtemp has not been included. If this is the case, what is an alternate method for monitoring drive temperatures? Thanks in adva

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

gene heskett wrote: ... > It also deletes the camera's pix as it copies them out. DigiKam doesn't > do that so I've always had a backup copy in the camera. So I won't dl > this script. > > I'd much rather find the real problem and get it fixed. inside the script are the examples of the command

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 10:46:32AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > Greetimgs all; > > Something wiped my passwd so was forced to install bookworm. This time I > install both kde and gnome desktops, gnome looks great, just one major > problem. > > Something with "gvfsd-gphoto2 service" in its name is

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

On 6/26/23 12:18, songbird wrote: gene heskett wrote: Greetimgs all; Something wiped my passwd so was forced to install bookworm. This time I install both kde and gnome desktops, gnome looks great, just one major problem. Something with "gvfsd-gphoto2 service" in its name is being blamed for d

Re: OT: Kmail/Akonadi insists on using Gmail account even on non-Gmail email account

Kent West wrote: > I don't *really* understand how Akonadi fits into Kmail/Yahoo, but, > meh; I don't use KDE or Kmail so I googled akonadi. The first hit is https://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi and it starts by saying: "The Akonadi framework is responsible for providing applications with a centrali

Re: php7.4 on bookworm

On 2023-06-26 00:52, Markus Schönhaber wrote: I don't know if that somehow qualifies as "best practice" but Ondřej Surý packages different PHP versions for Debian and Ubuntu one can install side-by-side: https://sury.org/ I can vouch for the quality of the Sury packages. I've used them for y

Hddtemp in Bookworm

I have been testing Bullseye in a VM and haven't encountered any problems, at least not until now. It would appear that hddtemp has not been included. If this is the case, what is an alternate method for monitoring drive temperatures? Thanks in advance -- Stephen P. Molnar, PhD https://insil

Re: OT: Kmail/Akonadi insists on using Gmail account even on non-Gmail email account

On 2023-06-26, Kent West wrote: > > I don't *really* understand how Akonadi fits into Kmail/Yahoo, but, meh; my > real question is: Does anyone here know if KMail *requires* a Gmail account > to access a non-Gmail email account (and if so, that seems really stupid)? > If not, how do I get around t

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023, Darac Marjal wrote: As you can see, the intention of code names is so that developers (of Debian) have a way to refer to an as-yet-unreleased collection of packages. Once those set of packages are released (literally, put out there in the wild), then they become a numbered

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 12:21 PM Charles Curley wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 17:04:57 +0100 > Darac Marjal wrote: > > > OK, a question back at you, then: Why do you feel the need to > > remember Debian codenames? > > Imprimis: Because you use the code names as part of configuring > systems, e.g

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 17:04:57 +0100 Darac Marjal wrote: > OK, a question back at you, then: Why do you feel the need to > remember Debian codenames? Imprimis: Because you use the code names as part of configuring systems, e.g. in /etc/apt/sources.list Secundus: Because some utilities and documen

Re: digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

gene heskett wrote: > Greetimgs all; > > Something wiped my passwd so was forced to install bookworm. This time I > install both kde and gnome desktops, gnome looks great, just one major > problem. > > Something with "gvfsd-gphoto2 service" in its name is being blamed for > digiKam being able to

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On 26/06/2023 09:18, Roger Price wrote: I have difficulty remembering the Debian code names for releases Buzz Rex Bo Hamm Slink Potato Woody Sarge Etch Lenny Squeeze Wheezy Jessie Stretch Buster Bullseye Bookworm Trixie and Forky. It's much easier to remember that release numbers are in a seq

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On 2023-06-26 at 11:40, Kent West wrote: > On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 10:29 AM Arno Lehmann wrote: > >> >> Also, I struggle with the names, always need to go to the project web >> page or wikipedia if I need to look up which version has which name, and >> it's always a nuisance. >> > > Code-names

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

> Also, I struggle with the names, always need to go to the project web page > or wikipedia if I need to look up which version has which name, and it's > always a nuisance. > > A small one, though. Also, I really like the Debian project, its resulting > software collections, and thus my wish is to

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 10:29 AM Arno Lehmann wrote: > > Also, I struggle with the names, always need to go to the project web > page or wikipedia if I need to look up which version has which name, and > it's always a nuisance. > > > Code-names are awesome. I prefer them to be something like "F

OT: Kmail/Akonadi insists on using Gmail account even on non-Gmail email account

This should go into the KDE forums, I know, but as intelligent of a human as I am, I am unable to figure out how to post a question there. So knowing the Debianistas are incredibly resourceful, I thought I'd ask here. I've just set up a test box, running Debian 12, fairly minimal install, with onl

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

Hi all, I have read a few replies here. I am in no way affiliated with those people who originally introduced the names or assign them now. The only real answer to the actual question that I can see is "It's a tradition". Also, I struggle with the names, always need to go to the project we

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Monday, June 26, 2023, Charles Curley wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 10:18:30 +0200 (CEST) > Roger Price wrote: > >> Is there some reason why Debian still continues to invent and use >> code names? > > At least use some sequence of code names with an order to them. > Ubuntu's code names are in a

digiKam dead, cannot import from camera

Greetimgs all; Something wiped my passwd so was forced to install bookworm. This time I install both kde and gnome desktops, gnome looks great, just one major problem. Something with "gvfsd-gphoto2 service" in its name is being blamed for digiKam being able to see the pix in the camera when

MATE panel in testing upgrade didn't go well

as a heads-up for those running MATE from testing. i suggest avoiding this upgrade for the moment. it left my previously defined desktops mostly missing, many things weren't loading or reloading correctly, etc. so i downgraded to previous version and put mate-panel on hold. this was t

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 10:18:30 +0200 (CEST) Roger Price wrote: > Is there some reason why Debian still continues to invent and use > code names? At least use some sequence of code names with an order to them. Ubuntu's code names are in alphabetical order. Maybe the names of the elements? -- Does

Re: Re: ipv6: temp address does not renew

Arno, Thank you so much for your prompt response. Very interesting that it's working as expected for you. At least I can isolate the problem to being local for my network. I asked about this in #debian on irc, and it was suggested that I check if I use dhcpv6 or dhcpv6-pd. I'm not 100% into ipv6

Re: ipv6: temp address does not renew

Hi Andreas, Am 26.06.2023 um 11:13 schrieb Andreas B: Hi, I'm very puzzled by the behaviour of ipv6 temp addresses on Debian 12. Expected behaviour: as soon as a temp address becomes deprecated, a new one is generated. This is the behaviour on Debian 11. Reasonable expectation, I think. ..

ipv6: temp address does not renew

Hi, I'm very puzzled by the behaviour of ipv6 temp addresses on Debian 12. Expected behaviour: as soon as a temp address becomes deprecated, a new one is generated. This is the behaviour on Debian 11. What actually happens: When the (first) temp address becomes deprecated (in my case, this happe

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 10:18:30AM +0200, Roger Price wrote: > I have difficulty remembering the Debian code names for releases Buzz Rex Bo > Hamm Slink Potato Woody Sarge Etch Lenny Squeeze Wheezy Jessie Stretch > Buster Bullseye Bookworm Trixie and Forky. > > It's much easier to remember that re

Re: Why does Debian have code names for releases?

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 4:18 AM Roger Price wrote: > > I have difficulty remembering the Debian code names for releases Buzz Rex Bo > Hamm Slink Potato Woody Sarge Etch Lenny Squeeze Wheezy Jessie Stretch Buster > Bullseye Bookworm Trixie and Forky. > > It's much easier to remember that release nu

Why does Debian have code names for releases?

I have difficulty remembering the Debian code names for releases Buzz Rex Bo Hamm Slink Potato Woody Sarge Etch Lenny Squeeze Wheezy Jessie Stretch Buster Bullseye Bookworm Trixie and Forky. It's much easier to remember that release numbers are in a sequence 1.1 ... 14. Quoting from Google's r

Re: php7.4 on bookworm

On 2023-06-26 08:08, Stefan Begerad wrote: Dear community, Somehow my Debian 11 was automagically upgraded to Debian 12 perhaps by the hosting company. However, there is a website running on this Debian that requieres php7.4. That website is incompatible with the php version Debian 12 is offering

Re: php7.4 on bookworm

26.06.23, 09:08 +0200, Stefan Begerad: Somehow my Debian 11 was automagically upgraded to Debian 12 perhaps by the hosting company. However, there is a website running on this Debian that requieres php7.4. That website is incompatible with the php version Debian 12 is offering and down at the mo

Re: php7.4 on bookworm

Stefan Begerad (12023-06-26): > Somehow my Debian 11 was automagically upgraded to Debian 12 perhaps by the > hosting company. The fact that you do not know is deeply concerning. > However, there is a website running on this Debian that > requieres php7.4. That website is incomp

php7.4 on bookworm

Dear community, Somehow my Debian 11 was automagically upgraded to Debian 12 perhaps by the hosting company. However, there is a website running on this Debian that requieres php7.4. That website is incompatible with the php version Debian 12 is offering and down at the moment. From the packa

Re: Package relevant to backlight control?

look kernel module `modinfo applesmc` like this 25.06.2023 19:21, Gerald Anzalone пишет: Hi: Since upgrading to Bookworm, the backlight control on my Apple iMac no longer works. I would like to report this bug, but don't know which packa