Re: Bookworm: dash shell globs don't recognise [^...] to negate a character class

2023-04-14 Thread Max Nikulin
On 15/04/2023 12:02, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 11:02:03PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 09:44:03AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: As to [^c] vs. [!c], unfortunately the latter can not be always used as portable variant. It is treated as history expansion i

Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update

2023-04-14 Thread David
On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 at 04:24, Tim Woodall wrote: > On Fri, 14 Apr 2023, Brian wrote: > >>> I thought stretch is unsupported by Debian. Where did the update come > >>> from? > It's been moved to archive.debian.org. Just hasn't been deleted from the > main repo yet but I think that's imminent. T

Re: Bookworm: dash shell globs don't recognise [^...] to negate a character class

2023-04-14 Thread tomas
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 11:02:03PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 09:44:03AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > As to [^c] vs. [!c], unfortunately the latter can not be always used as > > portable variant. It is treated as history expansion in the case of > > interactive bash sess

Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update

2023-04-14 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023, Charles Curley wrote: On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 19:41:37 +0100 Brian wrote: I thought stretch is unsupported by Debian. Where did the update come from? Stretch is oldoldstable, and under LTS support. https://www.debian.org/releases/ That page is out of date. On the LTS pag

Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update

2023-04-14 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023, Brian wrote: I thought stretch is unsupported by Debian. Where did the update come from? It may or may not be supported, but it's still there AFAICT: [DIR] binary-amd64/ 2021-08-14 07:43 [ ] Packages.gz 2020-07-18 10:409.2M [ ] base-files_9.9+deb

Re: Commands service and systemctl.

2023-04-14 Thread peter
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org In-reply-to: References: Subject: Re: Commands service and systemctl. From: David Wright Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 11:12:18 -0500 man 8 service "SERVICE(8) ... ... service runs a System V init script or systemd unit ..." Initial release of System

Re: Bookworm: dash shell globs don't recognise [^...] to negate a character class

2023-04-14 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 09:44:03AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > As to [^c] vs. [!c], unfortunately the latter can not be always used as > portable variant. It is treated as history expansion in the case of > interactive bash session. Ugh. That abomination. I've had history expansion disabled for

Re: Bookworm: dash shell globs don't recognise [^...] to negate a character class

2023-04-14 Thread Max Nikulin
On 14/04/2023 09:36, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 09:08:08AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: https://www.shellcheck.net/wiki/SC3026 Help by adding links to BashFAQ, StackOverflow, man pages, POSIX, etc Well, it's not clear how to actually add such a link. I guess you're supposed to

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-04-14 Thread David
On Sat, 2023-04-15 at 07:17 +0800, Bret Busby wrote: > On 15/4/23 07:11, Brian wrote: > > On Sat 15 Apr 2023 at 07:00:18 +0800, Jeremy Ardley wrote: > > > > > > > > On 15/4/23 06:52, Brian wrote: > > > > The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its > > > > correct name > > > > as we

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-04-14 Thread Bret Busby
On 15/4/23 07:11, Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Apr 2023 at 07:00:18 +0800, Jeremy Ardley wrote: On 15/4/23 06:52, Brian wrote: The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its correct name as well I asked ChatGPT3.5 about that text string. At least ChatGPT could figure it out My Ques

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-04-14 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-04-14 at 19:17, Brian wrote: > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 19:06:08 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2023-04-14 at 18:52, Brian wrote: >>> The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its >>> correct name as well as any other relevant information? >> >> When I searched for >> >>

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-04-14 Thread David
On Fri, 2023-04-14 at 23:52 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:22:09 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > > > On 2023-04-14 at 18:10, Brian wrote: > > > > > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 14:40:33 +, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > > > > > > > Good afternoon. > > > > The new printer is not  working.

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-04-14 Thread Brian
On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 19:06:08 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2023-04-14 at 18:52, Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:22:09 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > > > >> On 2023-04-14 at 18:10, Brian wrote: > > >> > You could consider: > >> > > >> > * Stating the Debain OS being used. > >> >

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-04-14 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-04-14 at 18:52, Brian wrote: > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:22:09 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2023-04-14 at 18:10, Brian wrote: >> > You could consider: >> > >> > * Stating the Debain OS being used. >> > * Giving the printer make and model. >> >> The make *was* stated: Epson. >>

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-04-14 Thread Jeremy Ardley
On 15/4/23 06:52, Brian wrote: The EPSON ET M 1120 doesn't exist. Do we have to guess its correct name as well I asked ChatGPT3.5 about that text string. At least ChatGPT could figure it out >> My Question Linux printer driver and printer command protocol for epson ET M 1120 ? >

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-04-14 Thread Charles Curley
On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 06:36:53 +0800 Jeremy Ardley wrote: > On 15/4/23 06:22, The Wanderer wrote: > [...] > If you look hard enough you find epson does support it. > > https://download.ebz.epson.net/dsc/search/01/search/searchModule > > and search for M1120 > > you find > > ET-M1120 Series >

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-04-14 Thread Brian
On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:22:09 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2023-04-14 at 18:10, Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 14:40:33 +, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > > > >> Good afternoon. > >> The new printer is not working. > >> EPSON is saying > >> You cant use EPSON with Linux. > >> >

Re: update-initramfs

2023-04-14 Thread David Wright
On Thu 13 Apr 2023 at 14:39:18 (-0600), Charles Curley wrote: > On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:57:04 -0500 > David Wright wrote: > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2023/04/msg00405.html > > > > I was left with a system whose Grub menu only contained entries for > > the new system, because os-pro

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-04-14 Thread Jeremy Ardley
On 15/4/23 06:22, The Wanderer wrote: The make *was* stated: Epson. The model may also have been stated, albeig only in the Subject line: ET M1120. From a bit of Googling, the "ET" appears to stand for "EcoTank". If you look hard enough you find epson does support it. https://download.ebz.e

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-04-14 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> The new printer is not working. >> EPSON is saying >> You cant use EPSON with Linux. >> >> Is this true? > > You could consider: > > * Stating the Debain OS being used. > * Giving the printer make and model. "Subject:" says "EPSON ET M 1120" AFAICT it's a monochrome printer from 2019 with

Re: Bookworm: dash shell globs don't recognise [^...] to negate a character class

2023-04-14 Thread David Wright
On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 12:01:39 (-0400), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, April 13, 2023 10:36:08 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Anyway, here's the POSIX documentation section: > > > > https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html#t > > ag_18_13 > > > > And the rel

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-04-14 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-04-14 at 18:10, Brian wrote: > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 14:40:33 +, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > >> Good afternoon. >> The new printer is not working. >> EPSON is saying >> You cant use EPSON with Linux. >> >> Is this true? > > You could consider: > > * Stating the Debain OS being

Re: EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-04-14 Thread David
On Fri, 2023-04-14 at 14:40 +, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > Good afternoon. > The new printer is not  working. > EPSON is saying > You cant use EPSON with Linux. It depends on which printer you are using? It sounds like the person you are talking to at Epson doesn't know what he/she's talking

EPSON ET M 1120 new printer: If You can read this, you are using the wrong driver

2023-04-14 Thread Schwibinger Michael
Good afternoon. The new printer is not working. EPSON is saying You cant use EPSON with Linux. Is this true? Regards Sophie

Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update

2023-04-14 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 19:41:37 +0100 Brian wrote: > I thought stretch is unsupported by Debian. Where did the update come > from? Stretch is oldoldstable, and under LTS support. https://www.debian.org/releases/ I would encourage the original poster to consider installing bullseye rather than pur

Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update

2023-04-14 Thread davidson
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 davidson wrote: On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 Brian wrote: On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:48:06 +0200, Bernard wrote: Hi to Everyone, I am writing from my laptop on Ubuntu, but the problem I have is with my Desktop running Debian Stretch. Having unfortunately Okayed a proposal for an upda

Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update

2023-04-14 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-04-14 at 15:53, davidson wrote: > On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 Brian wrote: > >> On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:48:06 +0200, Bernard wrote: >> >>> Hi to Everyone, >>> >>> I am writing from my laptop on Ubuntu, but the problem I have is >>> with my Desktop running Debian Stretch. Having unfortunately

Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update

2023-04-14 Thread davidson
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 Brian wrote: On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:48:06 +0200, Bernard wrote: Hi to Everyone, I am writing from my laptop on Ubuntu, but the problem I have is with my Desktop running Debian Stretch. Having unfortunately Okayed a proposal for an update (which I rarely do…), upon restart

Re: Commands service and systemctl.

2023-04-14 Thread davidson
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 11:12:18AM -0500, David Wright wrote: [...] How about consulting man 8 service rather than a wiki webpage. Reading man pages is cheating ;-) [Humor detected.] If that were so, then consulting the corresponding Wikiped

Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update

2023-04-14 Thread David Wright
On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 19:41:37 (+0100), Brian wrote: > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:48:06 +0200, Bernard wrote: > > I am writing from my laptop on Ubuntu, but the problem I have is with my > > Desktop running Debian Stretch. > > Having unfortunately Okayed a proposal for an update (which I rarely do…),

Re: Commands service and systemctl.

2023-04-14 Thread tomas
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 07:46:04PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 18:25:43 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 11:12:18AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > How about consulting man 8 service rather than a wiki webpage. > > > > Reading m

Re: Commands service and systemctl.

2023-04-14 Thread davidson
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 David Wright wrote: On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 08:05:38 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd has many occurrences of "service", none referring to the service command. For several somethings, the result of command, service something COMMAND appr

Re: What do all those "* * *" mean on a traceroute log?

2023-04-14 Thread Albretch Mueller
On 4/13/23, Lee wrote: > you should probably start off with > https://archive.nanog.org/sites/default/files/10_Roisman_Traceroute.pdf > A Practical Guide to (Correctly) > Troubleshooting with Traceroute thank you, lbrtchx

Re: Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update

2023-04-14 Thread songbird
Bernard wrote: ... > How can I get back to my old system prior to this failed update ? What > else can I do ? > > Thanks in advance for your help in restoring my system take a look at the files in /var/log/apt history should tell you what was updated last and you could try to install a prev

Re: Bookworm: dash shell globs don't recognise [^...] to negate a character class

2023-04-14 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 12:01:39PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Thursday, April 13, 2023 10:36:08 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > [ If an open bracket introduces a bracket expression as in XBD RE > > Bracket Expression, except that the character > > ( '!' ) shall replace the charac

Debian Stretch : X server won't start after update

2023-04-14 Thread Bernard
Hi to Everyone, I am writing from my laptop on Ubuntu, but the problem I have is with my Desktop running Debian Stretch. Having unfortunately Okayed a proposal for an update (which I rarely do…), upon restarting the system fails to launch X server. My /var/log/messages are available at http:

Re: Commands service and systemctl.

2023-04-14 Thread tomas
On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 11:12:18AM -0500, David Wright wrote: [...] > How about consulting man 8 service rather than a wiki webpage. Reading man pages is cheating ;-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Commands service and systemctl.

2023-04-14 Thread David Wright
On Fri 14 Apr 2023 at 08:05:38 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd has many occurrences of > "service", none referring to the service command. > > For several somethings, the result of command, > service something COMMAND > approximates the result of > syst

Re: Bookworm: dash shell globs don't recognise [^...] to negate a character class

2023-04-14 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, April 13, 2023 10:36:08 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > Anyway, here's the POSIX documentation section: > > https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/utilities/V3_chap02.html#t > ag_18_13 > > And the relevant piece of text: > > [ If an open bracket introduces a bracket expression

Commands service and systemctl.

2023-04-14 Thread peter
Hi, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd has many occurrences of "service", none referring to the service command. For several somethings, the result of command, service something COMMAND approximates the result of systemctl COMMAND something.service although systemctl might be more powerful.