Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back

2023-03-27 Thread davidson
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 08:52:10AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: Greg Wooledge wrote: 3) apt uses a horrible yellow color that is nigh-unreadable on a white background. (This is not configurable.) I use exclusively apt-hyphenated commands (apt-{get,cach

Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back

2023-03-27 Thread tomas
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 02:02:43PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 3/27/23 11:31, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 10:00:48AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > Would it be practical to put a filter in the path cups put things headed > > > to > > > a printer th

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread tomas
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 04:23:34PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote: > On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 21:20:45 +0200 > Siard wrote: > > > To type ♠ , for example: > > > > - hold Ctrl+Shift > > - type U2660 > > - release Ctrl+Shift > > Nice to know about, but it requires knowing the UTF code for the > character

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread davidson
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 Jude DaShiell wrote: [My mail client is] alpine for now. If I can't fix it I'll have to switch and that's alpine running on panix.com. I'll look through the configuration and find what I can. I read most email in a VT (ie, a linux console) with alpine. And I set emacs as m

Re: cpan oddity

2023-03-27 Thread Joel Roth
f...@dnsbed.com wrote: Jude DaShiell wrote: > > I ran cpan and did quick configuration and chose sudo to elevate > > privileges when necessary. Unfortunately I don't have write access on > > /usr/local/bin so cpan is crippled. > try cpanminus? > $ sudo apt install cpanminus Please note that when

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread Max Nikulin
On 28/03/2023 03:10, Greg Wooledge wrote: In all 3 terminals, Ctrl-Shift-U simply acts like Ctrl-U. If there's already text typed at the bash prompt, it's all erased. If there's no text typed at the bash prompt, it beeps. It may depend on X inputMethod setting in xterm, whether ibus or some

Re: How do I specify a custom apt dependency between kernel image and its headers?

2023-03-27 Thread Ram Ramesh
If I understand you correctly, you want to set it up so that for every package pair linux-image- linux-headers- attempting to install the former results in also installing the latter? And you want this to apply not just for a specific version number, but for every version number, including ones

Re: How do I specify a custom apt dependency between kernel image and its headers?

2023-03-27 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-03-27 at 20:03, Ram Ramesh wrote: > I have nvdia card that requires binary driver to work in my system. > Xorg is unable display anything with free driver. Since nvidia-driver > has to be built for each kernel install, I need to install headers > also. This seem to work automatically for a

How do I specify a custom apt dependency between kernel image and its headers?

2023-03-27 Thread Ram Ramesh
I have nvdia card that requires binary driver to work in my system. Xorg is unable display anything with free driver. Since nvidia-driver has to be built for each kernel install, I need to install headers also. This seem to work automatically for any standard kernel release in bullseye. However

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread songbird
Greg Wooledge wrote: ... > I tried this in rxvt(-unicode), xterm, and lxterm (which is apparently > part of the xterm package -- never heard of it before!). > > In all 3 terminals, Ctrl-Shift-U simply acts like Ctrl-U. If there's > already text typed at the bash prompt, it's all erased. If there'

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread Thomas George
Should have included ♠ ♡ ♢ ♣ The unicodes are 2660, 2661, 2662 and 2663 On 3/27/23 12:04, Thomas George wrote: I am amazed that the playing card symbols spade, heart, diamond and club don't appear any of the collections in my Debian Buster programs. I can insert them in the text I type by ent

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread Thomas George
Try BridgeBaseOnline On 3/27/23 17:44, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: Wouldn't it be wonderful to have a TEXT CONSOLE - no GUI running - so you could play cards. Even better would be a networked card game. s for shuffle the cards, d for deal (with prompt for how many people), w for draw cards, I gue

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread Thomas George
On 3/27/23 17:44, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote: Wouldn't it be wonderful to have a TEXT CONSOLE - no GUI running - so you could play cards. Even better would be a networked card game. s for shuffle the cards, d for deal (with prompt for how many people), w for draw cards, I guess. David On Mon,

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 21:20:45 +0200 Siard wrote: > To type ♠ , for example: > > - hold Ctrl+Shift > - type U2660 > - release Ctrl+Shift Nice to know about, but it requires knowing the UTF code for the characters you want. That's a bit like trying to navigate the Internet with IP addresses instea

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread D.J.J. Ring, Jr.
Wouldn't it be wonderful to have a TEXT CONSOLE - no GUI running - so you could play cards. Even better would be a networked card game. s for shuffle the cards, d for deal (with prompt for how many people), w for draw cards, I guess. David On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 2:13 PM Jude DaShiell wrote: >

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread Jude DaShiell
that's alpine for now. If I can't fix it I'll have to switch and that's alpine running on panix.com. I'll look through the configuration and find what I can. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1

[HEALED] Re: Something tweaked my Firefox appearance

2023-03-27 Thread hobie of RMN
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2023 02:49:28 -0400 > "hobie of RMN" wrote: > > Hello hobie, > >>I guess I should be looking for a place to adjust settings of the window >>manager..? > > That tends to adjust settings globally. If other windows haven't > changed in appearance, then everything else /might/ end up

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 04:10:37PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > I'm using espeak-ng and reading this message with the symbols in it only > generated silence when trying to read the symbols. I'm using utf-8 here > and don't have any kind of font chosen or set so far as I know. On my end > all of

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread Jude DaShiell
I'm using espeak-ng and reading this message with the symbols in it only generated silence when trying to read the symbols. I'm using utf-8 here and don't have any kind of font chosen or set so far as I know. On my end all of this is happening in the console environment. -- Jude "There are fou

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 08:45:18PM +0100, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > Just to be clear, are you using some kind of Desktop Environment > > specific means of entering these Unicode characters? I don't know > > what CTRL-SHIFT-Uunicode means. If I try it here, it j

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread David Wright
On Mon 27 Mar 2023 at 21:20:45 (+0200), Siard wrote: > Charles Curley: > > Thomas George: > > > > > I am amazed that the playing card symbols spade, heart, diamond and > > > club don't appear any of the collections in my Debian Buster > > > programs. I can insert them in the text I type by enterin

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread debian-user
Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 02:13:35PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > >You know, if all of those symbols were in some font set and had text > >labels attached to them that could speak when a screen reader was > >used a whole bunch of playing card applications would suddenly > >be

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread debian-user
Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 12:04:53PM -0400, Thomas George wrote: > > I am amazed that the playing card symbols spade, heart, diamond and > > club don't appear any of the collections in my Debian Buster > > programs. I can insert them in the text I type by entering > > CTRL-SHI

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread Siard
Charles Curley: > Thomas George: > > > I am amazed that the playing card symbols spade, heart, diamond and > > club don't appear any of the collections in my Debian Buster > > programs. I can insert them in the text I type by entering > > CTRL-SHIFT-Uunicode but if this text in a Thunderbird email

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 02:13:35PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: You know, if all of those symbols were in some font set and had text labels attached to them that could speak when a screen reader was used a whole bunch of playing card applications would suddenly become accessible for screen reader

Re: Which takes priority, ipv4, or ipv6?

2023-03-27 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 12:48:13PM +0100, Richmond wrote: I have configured an ipv6 tunnel. If I visit this site: http://ip6.me/ The "normal" test shows my ipv4 address, and the: http://ip6only.me/ shows the ipv6 address. However if I switch my DNS from opendns to the one provided by my ISP

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread Jude DaShiell
You know, if all of those symbols were in some font set and had text labels attached to them that could speak when a screen reader was used a whole bunch of playing card applications would suddenly become accessible for screen reader users. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread gene heskett
On 3/27/23 13:51, Charles Curley wrote: On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 12:04:53 -0400 Thomas George wrote: I am amazed that the playing card symbols spade, heart, diamond and club don't appear any of the collections in my Debian Buster programs. I can insert them in the text I type by entering CTRL-SHIFT

Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back

2023-03-27 Thread gene heskett
On 3/27/23 11:31, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 10:00:48AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: [...] Would it be practical to put a filter in the path cups put things headed to a printer thru, to change just that esc sequence to make those boxes and their text content into something m

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 27 Mar 2023 12:04:53 -0400 Thomas George wrote: > I am amazed that the playing card symbols spade, heart, diamond and > club don't appear any of the collections in my Debian Buster > programs. I can insert them in the text I type by entering > CTRL-SHIFT-Uunicode but if this text in a Thu

Re: Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 12:04:53PM -0400, Thomas George wrote: > I am amazed that the playing card symbols spade, heart, diamond and club > don't appear any of the collections in my Debian Buster programs. I can > insert them in the text I type by entering CTRL-SHIFT-Uunicode but if this > text in

Playing Card Symbols

2023-03-27 Thread Thomas George
I am amazed that the playing card symbols spade, heart, diamond and club don't appear any of the collections in my Debian Buster programs. I can insert them in the text I type by entering CTRL-SHIFT-Uunicode but if this text in a Thunderbird email to a friend he receives only the unicode. I do

Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back

2023-03-27 Thread tomas
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 10:00:48AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: [...] > Would it be practical to put a filter in the path cups put things headed to > a printer thru, to change just that esc sequence to make those boxes and > their text content into something more readable. If they are actually PNG

Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back

2023-03-27 Thread David Wright
On Mon 27 Mar 2023 at 07:49:13 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 01:20:32PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2023-03-27 00:21:18 +0200, Jesper Dybdal wrote: > > > On 2023-03-26 23:12, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > > On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 5:16 AM Jesper Dybdal > > > > wro

Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back

2023-03-27 Thread Jesper Dybdal
On 2023-03-27 10:59, davidson wrote: apt list says: guile-2.2-libs/stable 2.2.7+1-6 amd64 [upgradable from: 2.2.4+1-2+deb10u1] guile-2.2-libs/now 2.2.4+1-2+deb10u1 amd64 [installed,upgradable to: 2.2.7+1-6] w3m/stable 0.5.3+git20210102-6 amd64 [upgradable from: 0.5.3-37] w3m/now 0.5.3-37

Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back

2023-03-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 08:52:10AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > 3) apt uses a horrible yellow color that is nigh-unreadable on a white > >background. (This is not configurable.) > > It appears that it is, just badly documented. > > In /etc/apt/apt.conf, you can specif

Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back

2023-03-27 Thread gene heskett
On 3/27/23 09:18, Nicolas George wrote: Dan Ritter (12023-03-27): changing 33 to 30 will get you black. ANSI color escapes are on the web in many places. Also, decent terminal emulators let users tweak the colors, and making sure all main colors are readable on the default background would pro

Re: Which takes priority, ipv4, or ipv6?

2023-03-27 Thread Richmond
Vincent Lefevre writes: > On 2023-03-27 12:48:13 +0100, Richmond wrote: >> I have configured an ipv6 tunnel. If I visit this site: >> >> http://ip6.me/ >> >> The "normal" test shows my ipv4 address, and the: >> >> http://ip6only.me/ >> >> shows the ipv6 address. >> >> However if I switch my

Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back

2023-03-27 Thread Nicolas George
Dan Ritter (12023-03-27): > changing 33 to 30 will get you black. ANSI color escapes are on > the web in many places. Also, decent terminal emulators let users tweak the colors, and making sure all main colors are readable on the default background would probably be a good use of that ability. Re

Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back

2023-03-27 Thread Dan Ritter
Greg Wooledge wrote: > >From an end user's point of view, the three main differences between > "apt-get" and "apt" are: > > 3) apt uses a horrible yellow color that is nigh-unreadable on a white >background. (This is not configurable.) It appears that it is, just badly documented. In /etc/

Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back

2023-03-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 02:17:11PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > FYI, I prefer to do the upgrades of my Debian/unstable machines with > aptitude aptitude is VERY different from apt/apt-get. It uses an entirely different pacakge conflict resolution. Using aptitude for release upgrades (in place

Re: Which takes priority, ipv4, or ipv6?

2023-03-27 Thread Jeremy Ardley
On 27/3/23 20:05, Richmond wrote: Jeremy Ardley writes: Both DNS return records. I am not sure why this choice of DNS should make a difference. host -v ip6.me |grep IN 9306IN 2001:4838:0:1b::201 host -v ip6.me 8.8.8.8|grep

Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back

2023-03-27 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-03-27 07:49:13 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > 2) "apt-get upgrade" does not install new packages unless you supply the >--with-new-pkgs option. "apt upgrade" acts as if you had supplied it. >(This is configurable.) FYI, I prefer to do the upgrades of my Debian/unstable machines wit

Re: Which takes priority, ipv4, or ipv6?

2023-03-27 Thread Richmond
Jeremy Ardley writes: > On 27/3/23 19:48, Richmond wrote: >> >> So how is the preference determined? It seems to be determined by the >> DNS, but why or how do I tell for example with host -v? > > When you as a DNS about a hostname it can return an A record and/or an > record. > > The A reco

Re: Which takes priority, ipv4, or ipv6?

2023-03-27 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-03-27 12:48:13 +0100, Richmond wrote: > I have configured an ipv6 tunnel. If I visit this site: > > http://ip6.me/ > > The "normal" test shows my ipv4 address, and the: > > http://ip6only.me/ > > shows the ipv6 address. > > However if I switch my DNS from opendns to the one provided by

Re: Which takes priority, ipv4, or ipv6?

2023-03-27 Thread Jeremy Ardley
On 27/3/23 19:48, Richmond wrote: So how is the preference determined? It seems to be determined by the DNS, but why or how do I tell for example with host -v? When you as a DNS about a hostname it can return an A record and/or an record. The A record is IPv4 and the record is I

Which takes priority, ipv4, or ipv6?

2023-03-27 Thread Richmond
I have configured an ipv6 tunnel. If I visit this site: http://ip6.me/ The "normal" test shows my ipv4 address, and the: http://ip6only.me/ shows the ipv6 address. However if I switch my DNS from opendns to the one provided by my ISP and then run the "normal" test it shows the ipv6. The note

Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back

2023-03-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Mar 27, 2023 at 01:20:32PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2023-03-27 00:21:18 +0200, Jesper Dybdal wrote: > > On 2023-03-26 23:12, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 5:16 AM Jesper Dybdal > > > wrote: > > > > Yesterday, I upgraded Buster => Bullseye. > > > For complet

Re: cpan oddity

2023-03-27 Thread Jude DaShiell
I ran the cpan command as regular user not sudo. I configured cpan to elevate privileges as necessary with sudo. I ended up wiping the whole cpan installation and starting over using local lib rather than sudo. For now it seems more successful. -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defe

Re: cpan oddity

2023-03-27 Thread debian-user
f...@dnsbed.com wrote: > On 2023-03-27 08:21, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > I ran cpan and did quick configuration and chose sudo to elevate > > privileges when necessary. Unfortunately I don't have write access > > on /usr/local/bin so cpan is crippled. > > try cpanminus? > $ sudo apt install cpanmin

Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back

2023-03-27 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-03-27 00:21:18 +0200, Jesper Dybdal wrote: > On 2023-03-26 23:12, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 5:16 AM Jesper Dybdal > > wrote: > > > Yesterday, I upgraded Buster => Bullseye. > > For completeness, here is the Debian procedure for a release upgrade: > > https://wiki.d

Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back

2023-03-27 Thread Jesper Dybdal
On 2023-03-27 10:59, davidson wrote: By the way, does your sources.list really have no line for security updates? Nothing like this one?   deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main non-free Yes, it does: https://www.dybdal.dk/bullseye/sources.list I currently do

Re: Buster => Bullseye: packages kept back

2023-03-27 Thread davidson
On Sun, 26 Mar 2023 Jesper Dybdal wrote: Thanks a lot for the responses. It is a confusing mystery! I'm still in doubt as to what to do. I notice that according to your posted output from the commands, apt-get -Vs remove {w3m,guile-2.2-libs} that both packages now appear to be up-to-dat