Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 05:26:07PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library? > > I don't understand the question. A library that does what? > "Nice" in which respect? > > > today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with rich/colorf

Re: differences between hwclock <-> date due to time zone issues? ...

On 25/03/2023 10:39, Albretch Mueller wrote: On 3/25/23, Max Nikulin wrote: - Both Debian and Windows installed on the hard drive ... Thank you for the steps and the logical elucidations that may certainly help someone else, but I can't do that "because" all electronic devices which I use are

Re: differences between hwclock <-> date due to time zone issues? ...

David Wright composed on 2023-03-24 23:20 (UTC-0500): > BTW I've only really trusted reading or setting the RTC by means of > the CMOS screens, and treat it as a one-time only process (upon > acquisition), assuming the coin-cell battery never needs replacing. Lucky you. I can only dream of going

Re: differences between hwclock <-> date due to time zone issues? ...

On Fri 24 Mar 2023 at 19:10:49 (-0400), Stefan Monnier wrote: > > That works great for the Live OS, but not for the fixed-disk OS. If > > the Live OS sets the HW clock to local upon shutdown, but the fixed-disk > > OS expects the HW clock to be UTC, then the fixed-disk OS is wrong > > every time i

Re: differences between hwclock <-> date due to time zone issues? ...

On Fri 24 Mar 2023 at 17:13:31 (+), Albretch Mueller wrote: > On 3/24/23, Andy Smith wrote: > > As already pointed out, the hardware clock is used in very limited > > ways and is not the same thing as the system clock, so your result > > is as expected. > > What are you actually trying to do?

Re: exim failure

On Thu 23 Mar 2023 at 11:27:17 (-0700), pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > # /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf > # > # Most of the heading comments removed. > # > # This is a Debian specific file > > dc_eximconfig_configtype='smarthost' > dc_other_hostnames='' > dc_local_interfaces='127.0.0.1' > dc_rea

Re: shim boot-loader problem

On 25/03/2023 04:48, KCB Leigh wrote:     > Through about May of 2022 I was able to also boot with       Ubuntu, with no problems... but some time in the last half       of 2022, I updated Debian, & now, although the Ubuntu option       exists in the GRUB boot loader menu, when I select it, I

Re: differences between hwclock <-> date due to time zone issues? ...

On 3/25/23, Max Nikulin wrote: > - Both Debian and Windows installed on the hard drive ... Thank you for the steps and the logical elucidations that may certainly help someone else, but I can't do that "because" all electronic devices which I use are being kept. You can't physically alter a DVD[

Re: differences between hwclock <-> date due to time zone issues? ...

On 25/03/2023 07:07, Albretch Mueller wrote: I am using right now a DELL laptop which had Windows 11 installed but I expect that the following should work smoothly enough: - Hardware clock is in UTC - Both Debian and Windows installed on the hard drive are configured to your local time zone

Re: Question for this IP's PTR

On 2023-03-25 08:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 08:28:03AM +0800, f...@dnsbed.com wrote: Greetings, as you see this PTR, $ dig -x 1.1.1.1 +short one.one.one.one. so 2.2.2.2 can have the PTR two.two.two.two? and 3.3.3.3 can have three.three.three.three? Any IP address can h

Re: Question for this IP's PTR

On 25/3/23 08:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: I didn't know .one was a valid TLD. It looks like .two is not, so if someone were to assign "two.two.two.two" as the PTR value of an IP address, that PTR would not resolve back to any IP address. (An IP address block owner might reject such a petition.)

Re: Question for this IP's PTR

On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 08:28:03AM +0800, f...@dnsbed.com wrote: > Greetings, > > as you see this PTR, > > $ dig -x 1.1.1.1 +short > one.one.one.one. > > so 2.2.2.2 can have the PTR two.two.two.two? and 3.3.3.3 can have > three.three.three.three? Any IP address can have any PTR value. You just

Question for this IP's PTR

Greetings, as you see this PTR, $ dig -x 1.1.1.1 +short one.one.one.one. so 2.2.2.2 can have the PTR two.two.two.two? and 3.3.3.3 can have three.three.three.three? Sorry I am not good at the DNS knowledge. Regards.

Re: differences between hwclock <-> date due to time zone issues? ...

I am using right now a DELL laptop which had Windows 11 installed but started to give me sh!t which I totally ignored and started to use my good old friend Debian in order to "keep moving". By the way, after a while as if for a magical reason the hw time changed and now it is showing to me the sa

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 davidson wrote: On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 cor...@free.fr wrote: Hello, Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library? The teletype (whether virtualised or not) and shells which constitute that "CLI" are interfaces designed for a purpose. Speaking of that purpose,

Re: differences between hwclock <-> date due to time zone issues? ...

> That works great for the Live OS, but not for the fixed-disk OS. If > the Live OS sets the HW clock to local upon shutdown, but the fixed-disk > OS expects the HW clock to be UTC, then the fixed-disk OS is wrong > every time it boots after the Live OS. AFAIK the Linux kernel is pretty careful n

Re: Culling old versions of Kernel from /usr/lib/modules/

On Fri, 2023-03-24 at 21:39 +, KCB Leigh wrote: > This message is related to the 'Re: solution to / full' thread. > > I am running my computer from a Debian 11.6 OS on a 25GB partition on > a USB stick.  The root partition is now 70% full, with over 4GB (16%) > of > the volume occupied by /usr

shim boot-loader problem

I have an ACER ASPIRE 5.14 laptop with an internal hard disk, with both Windows 10, & Ubuntu v.20.04 on separate partitions (which I use only occasionally), but have been running the machine primarily from a USB stick with Debian 11.6: Linux cpe-67-241-65-193 5.10.0-21-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.162

Re: differences between hwclock <-> date due to time zone issues? ...

On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 05:51:30PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > If your policy choice ends up being "set HW clock to local", then you > > also have to make sure the correct time zone is set on each operating > > system, each time it boots. I have no idea how one does that on Debian > > Live, s

Culling old versions of Kernel from /usr/lib/modules/

This message is related to the 'Re: solution to / full' thread. I am running my computer from a Debian 11.6 OS on a 25GB partition on a USB stick.  The root partition is now 70% full, with over 4GB (16%) of the volume occupied by /usr/lib/modules/ (3.5GB) & /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu (1.4GB) - as f

Re: differences between hwclock <-> date due to time zone issues? ...

> If your policy choice ends up being "set HW clock to local", then you > also have to make sure the correct time zone is set on each operating > system, each time it boots. I have no idea how one does that on Debian > Live, since I've never used Debian Live. So, I can hope for your sake > that D

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

> There's a lot of work in the general vicinity. I think Jupiter could ^^^ Jupyter -- Stefan

Re: differences between hwclock <-> date due to time zone issues? ...

On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 05:13:31PM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > I should have pointed out that I always go into exposed mode (use the > Internet) with a live DVD. My laptop was always 6 hours ahead and now > that they changed to summer time, it is 5 hours ahead. So, you have at least two oper

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

> Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library? I don't understand the question. A library that does what? "Nice" in which respect? > today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with rich/colorful > interactive views. Not sure how that's relevant to a UI library for a

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 12:00 Charlie Gibbs wrote: > IMHO computer systems should be ugly and boring. Ugly, as in lacking > all the eye candy that gets in the way, and boring as in just doing > what you want without unpleasant surprises. > > Short answer: Not over my dead Teletype. Hear, hear!

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 cor...@free.fr wrote: Hello, Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library? The teletype (whether virtualised or not) and shells which constitute that "CLI" are interfaces designed for a purpose. today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with ri

Re: ID problem: "the nouveau driver"

Felix Miata wrote: > debian-u...@howorth.org.uk composed on 2023-03-24 11:02 (UTC): > > > Felix Miata wrote: > > >> > >> > > > "You are not logged in or you do not have per

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 09:35:09 -0700 Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > IMHO computer systems should be ugly and boring. Ugly, as in lacking > all the eye candy that gets in the way, and boring as in just doing > what you want without unpleasant surprises. > > Short answer: Not over my dead Teletype. >

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

Hi, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > IMHO computer systems should be ugly and boring. +1 Have a nice day :) Thomas

Re: differences between hwclock <-> date due to time zone issues? ...

On 3/24/23, Andy Smith wrote: > As already pointed out, the hardware clock is used in very limited > ways and is not the same thing as the system clock, so your result > is as expected. > What are you actually trying to do? > > What "time zone issues" do you refer to? I should have pointed out t

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

On Fri Mar 24 09:13:41 2023 cor...@free.fr wrote: > Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library? As an option, possibly. As a standard default, NO! > today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with > rich/colorful interactive views. And which often get in the way o

Re: ID problem: "the nouveau driver"

debian-u...@howorth.org.uk composed on 2023-03-24 11:02 (UTC): > Felix Miata wrote: >> > "You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this > page." > ?? why sh

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

I forgot to attribute Dan's writing, and shouldn't have trimmed his words as much, after all mentioning exactly the kind of libraries I listed. Apologies for the fuss and redo: On 3/24/23 12:42, Dan Ritter wrote: > cor...@free.fr wrote:>> Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI libr

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library? There are many. The generic underlying library is usually ncurses. But it needs to be stressed that there are many. For Python there is Textualize [1], for Go there is Charm [2], rust has a TUI crate [3] among other options. Al

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

cor...@free.fr writes: > Hello, > > Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library? > today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with > rich/colorful interactive views. > But CLI is still in dull mode. That should be improved in these days. > for example, run "df -h" we go

Re: differences between hwclock <-> date due to time zone issues? ...

Hello, On Thu, Mar 23, 2023 at 09:41:40PM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > I am using this (yes, visually cr@ppy ;-)) code snippet to set back > the time 5 hours. hwclock tells me it worked fine but the terminal > windows opened before and after running hwclock still give me the > "old" time sett

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

cor...@free.fr wrote: > Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library? There are many. The generic underlying library is usually ncurses. On top of that are more libraries than there are languages. > But CLI is still in dull mode. That should be improved in these days. > for example

Re: should CLI have a nice UI today?

Ansi gets used to make the eye candy then that ansi breaks screen reader accessibility with cli screen readers. No thank you! -- Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and amo. Please use in that order." Ed Howdershelt 1940. On Fri, 24 Mar 2023, cor...

should CLI have a nice UI today?

Hello, Should CLI (command line interface) have a nice UI library? today web dev has so many libraries that make web pages with rich/colorful interactive views. But CLI is still in dull mode. That should be improved in these days. for example, run "df -h" we got the statistics with plain text.

Re: ID problem: "the nouveau driver"

Felix Miata wrote: > "You are not logged in or you do not have permission to access this page." ?? why should I need an account to see this page?