Re: problem getting debian live to run

2022-12-01 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 09:53:37PM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > L Dimov wrote: > > DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid > > Looks like > https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209943 > where it is characterized as annoying message but elsewise harmless. > > > > thunderbolt 0-0: re

Re: problem getting debian live to run

2022-12-01 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 08:43:29PM +, L Dimov wrote: >On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 03:28:33 PM EST, Andrew M.A. Cater > wrote: [...] > > Exactly how did you copy the image onto the USB stick - what command did > > you use and did you wait until it had copied fully? > > > > Andy C

Re: Logout at apt upgrade

2022-12-01 Thread David Wright
On Wed 30 Nov 2022 at 14:25:19 (+0100), Loïc Grenié wrote: > Happened once again. This time I think the culprit was udev (but I > cannot > be too sure). Among the updated package nothing should have killed X: > beyond udev there was a bunch of libreoffice and related (not using right > n

Re: Logout at apt upgrade

2022-12-01 Thread David Wright
On Thu 01 Dec 2022 at 17:45:25 (-0700), Tom Dial wrote: > On 11/29/22 15:35, Loïc Grenié wrote: > >     Dear Debian users, > > > >     when I apt upgrade my system, I often (one every three, more > >   or less) find myself brutally logged out of the window system, > >   with systemd services p

Anyone versed in SH-4 architecture and assembly

2022-12-01 Thread Jeffrey Walton
Hi Everyone, I use Debian Chroot's to test on platforms that Debian supports, like SH-4. I'm having trouble installing GDB on SH-4 because of a dependency called python-greenlet that fails to build from source (FTBFS). See [1] and [2]. We could use some help from someone who is versed in SH-4 arc

Re: Logout at apt upgrade

2022-12-01 Thread Geoff
Loïc Grenié wrote:     Dear Debian users,     when I apt upgrade my system, I often (one every three, more   or less) find myself brutally logged out of the window system,   with systemd services painfully restarting (or failing to restart).   The only way I can recover is usually to reboot

Re: black screen in sid

2022-12-01 Thread David
On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 20:02, Jeremy Hendricks wrote: In my experience, it’s of unheard of for Sid to break from time to time. I’d imagine updating in a day or a few might fix it. On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 8:00 PM Michael Thompson mailto:kneedragon1...@gmail.com>> wrote: Dear Debian ~ Pleas

Re: Logout at apt upgrade

2022-12-01 Thread Tom Dial
On 11/29/22 15:35, Loïc Grenié wrote:     Dear Debian users,     when I apt upgrade my system, I often (one every three, more   or less) find myself brutally logged out of the window system,   with systemd services painfully restarting (or failing to restart).   The only way I can recove

Re: black screen in sid

2022-12-01 Thread Jeremy Hendricks
In my experience, it’s of unheard of for Sid to break from time to time. I’d imagine updating in a day or a few might fix it. On Thu, Dec 1, 2022 at 8:00 PM Michael Thompson wrote: > Dear Debian ~ > > Please forgive my neglecting to use the correct format for a bug report, > but ~ let me explain

black screen in sid

2022-12-01 Thread Michael Thompson
Dear Debian ~ Please forgive my neglecting to use the correct format for a bug report, but ~ let me explain. I am a 60 year old home Linux tinkerer, a Linux geek. I run Mint + Mate as my host and virtualbox, with a dozen guests. One guest is Debian sid. I just ran sudo apt update; sudo apt full-up

Re: tbird AND javamail both broken

2022-12-01 Thread Gareth Evans
On Thu 1 Dec 2022, at 21:13, David Wright wrote: [...] > I think we're in agreement that everything is /defined/ in this > set of RFCs ... Yes. > As for lengthy explanations, I think you have to > bear in mind that the earlier RFCs often introduced concepts and > material that were quite new at

Re: Debian wiki update: ask for review

2022-12-01 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 22:03:16 +0100 Yvan Masson wrote: > I made a few modifications based on your comments: > https://wiki.debian.org/GRUB2?action=diff&rev2=28&rev1=27 > > Hope it is clear now. Much better, thank you. -- Does anybody read signatures any more? https://charlescurley.com https:/

Re: tbird AND javamail both broken

2022-12-01 Thread David Wright
On Wed 30 Nov 2022 at 23:02:16 (+), Gareth Evans wrote: > On Tue 29 Nov 2022, at 16:52, David Wright wrote: > > Yes, but my post responded to, and only concerned, what lies between > > the end of the body area and the next boundary marker, whereas your > > quotation here from RFC1521 (which I

Re: problem getting debian live to run

2022-12-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 08:43:29PM +, L Dimov wrote: >On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 03:28:33 PM EST, Andrew M.A. Cater > wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 06:58:11PM +, L Dimov wrote: > > I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from > > a USB dr

Re: Debian wiki update: ask for review

2022-12-01 Thread Yvan Masson
Le 01/12/2022 à 18:14, Charles Curley a écrit : On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 16:07:53 +0100 Yvan Masson wrote: I have just updated the GRUB2 page on the wiki to briefly explain how GRUB2 should be configured in case of software RAID [1]. As I am not an expert nor an English native, could someone have a

Re: problem getting debian live to run

2022-12-01 Thread David Wright
On Thu 01 Dec 2022 at 18:58:11 (+), L Dimov wrote: > I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from a > USB drive. After the Debian logo displays for a bout a minute, I get this > text: > > DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid I agree with Thomas, just ignore it for

Re: problem getting debian live to run

2022-12-01 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, L Dimov wrote: > DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid Looks like https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=209943 where it is characterized as annoying message but elsewise harmless. > thunderbolt 0-0: reading DROM failed Looks like a problem with the egg-laying woolmilkpig, which substit

Re: problem getting debian live to run

2022-12-01 Thread L Dimov
On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 03:28:33 PM EST, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 06:58:11PM +, L Dimov wrote: > I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from a > USB drive. After the Debian logo displays for a bout a minute, I get this

Re: problem getting debian live to run

2022-12-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 06:58:11PM +, L Dimov wrote: > I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from a > USB drive. After the Debian logo displays for a bout a minute, I get this > text: > > DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid > thunderbolt 0-0: reading DROM failed

Re: tbird broken

2022-12-01 Thread Kamil Jońca
Max Nikulin writes: > On 19/11/2022 18:59, Kamil Jońca wrote: >>> On 18/11/2022 14:42, Kamil Jońca wrote: user_pref("mailnews.nntp.jsmodule", false); > ... >> But old implementation works, at least for me, while new not. > > I would say that both implementations have issues and I faced more

problem getting debian live to run

2022-12-01 Thread L Dimov
I am trying to run debian stable (11.5) live on a new Dell XPS laptop from a USB drive. After the Debian logo displays for a bout a minute, I get this text: DPC: RP PIO log size 0 is invalid thunderbolt 0-0: reading DROM failed BusyBox v1.30.1 (Debian 1:1.30.1-6+b3) built-in shell (ash) Enter 'he

Re: hangs at boot

2022-12-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 07:25:24PM +0100, jd wrote: > > On 2022-12-01 19:05, Tim Woodall wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Dec 2022, jd wrote: > > > > > > > > On 2022-11-30 18:52, Hans wrote: > > > > Am Mittwoch, 30. November 2022, 18:33:49 CET schrieb jd: > > > > > > > > Try to deinstall cups and remove an

Re: hangs at boot

2022-12-01 Thread jd
On 2022-12-01 19:05, Tim Woodall wrote: On Thu, 1 Dec 2022, jd wrote: On 2022-11-30 18:52, Hans wrote: Am Mittwoch, 30. November 2022, 18:33:49 CET schrieb jd: Try to deinstall cups and remove any usb cameras. I had had the problem, that cups detected an usb camera as a printer and then

Re: hangs at boot

2022-12-01 Thread jd
On 2022-12-01 18:19, David Wright wrote: On Thu 01 Dec 2022 at 13:22:11 (+0100), jd wrote: On 2022-12-01 04:14, David Wright wrote: On Wed 30 Nov 2022 at 19:38:05 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: Have you considered the possibility it's *not* hung, but is in fact booted and working? Have you t

Re: a two cent suggestion

2022-12-01 Thread Tim Woodall
On Thu, 1 Dec 2022, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 05:16:56PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: On Sat, 2022-11-26 at 19:42 +0100, Patrice Duroux wrote: Any (or a specific group of) users could be able to install any package of the first class by their own without asking a sysadmin (or

Re: hangs at boot

2022-12-01 Thread Tim Woodall
On Thu, 1 Dec 2022, jd wrote: On 2022-11-30 18:52, Hans wrote: Am Mittwoch, 30. November 2022, 18:33:49 CET schrieb jd: Try to deinstall cups and remove any usb cameras. I had had the problem, that cups detected an usb camera as a printer and then stopped booting. I tried removing all cu

Re: hangs at boot

2022-12-01 Thread David Wright
On Thu 01 Dec 2022 at 13:22:11 (+0100), jd wrote: > On 2022-12-01 04:14, David Wright wrote: > > On Wed 30 Nov 2022 at 19:38:05 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > Have you considered the possibility it's *not* hung, but is in fact > > > booted and working? > > > > > > Have you tried pressing Ent

Re: Debian wiki update: ask for review

2022-12-01 Thread Charles Curley
On Thu, 1 Dec 2022 16:07:53 +0100 Yvan Masson wrote: > I have just updated the GRUB2 page on the wiki to briefly explain how > GRUB2 should be configured in case of software RAID [1]. As I am not > an expert nor an English native, could someone have a look to check > this? Being a native Englis

Debian wiki update: ask for review

2022-12-01 Thread Yvan Masson
Hi, I have just updated the GRUB2 page on the wiki to briefly explain how GRUB2 should be configured in case of software RAID [1]. As I am not an expert nor an English native, could someone have a look to check this? Thanks, Yvan 1. https://wiki.debian.org/GRUB2?action=diff&rev2=27&rev1=26

Re: a two cent suggestion

2022-12-01 Thread Dan Ritter
Hakan Bayındır wrote: > > > I think AppImages are great (from my perspective) for allowing people to run > whatever they want on their systems, without getting root privileges and > having a sandboxed, hermetically sealed application with batteries included. If they actually did that, it would

Re: a two cent suggestion

2022-12-01 Thread Hakan Bayındır
On 1.12.2022 12:16, Paul Wise wrote: On Sat, 2022-11-26 at 19:42 +0100, Patrice Duroux wrote: Any (or a specific group of) users could be able to install any package of the first class by their own without asking a sysadmin (or explicitly acquiring privilege of) user. The general idea of a

Re: hangs at boot

2022-12-01 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, jd wrote: > Perhaps there's just something iffy with the installation media I used? I deem this unlikely, given that you report no errors during installation. Nevertheless: Which installation image did you use ? If the installation medium with that image is still at hand, what checksum do

Re: hangs at boot

2022-12-01 Thread jd
On 2022-12-01 04:14, David Wright wrote: On Wed 30 Nov 2022 at 19:38:05 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 01:36:05AM +0100, jd wrote: On 2022-11-30 18:52, Hans wrote: Am Mittwoch, 30. November 2022, 18:33:49 CET schrieb jd: Try to deinstall cups and remove any usb camera

Monthly FAQ for Debian-user mailing lists [No updates November 2022]

2022-12-01 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
Debian-user is a mailing list provided for support for Debian users, and to facilitate discussion on relevant topics. Some guidelines which may help explain how the list works: * The language on this mailing list is English. There may be other mailing lists that are language-specific, for exa

Re: a two cent suggestion

2022-12-01 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 05:16:56PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Sat, 2022-11-26 at 19:42 +0100, Patrice Duroux wrote: > > > Any (or a specific group of) users could be able to install any > > package of the first class by their own without asking a sysadmin (or > > explicitly acquiring privilege o

Re: a two cent suggestion

2022-12-01 Thread Paul Wise
On Sat, 2022-11-26 at 19:42 +0100, Patrice Duroux wrote: > Any (or a specific group of) users could be able to install any > package of the first class by their own without asking a sysadmin (or > explicitly acquiring privilege of) user. The general idea of a safe way to allow users to manage sys

Re: Logout at apt upgrade

2022-12-01 Thread tomas
On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 12:34:35AM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> The one application I do avoid upgrading while it's running is > >> Firefox, but that's mainly because it occasionally gives a new > >> startup screen after an upgrade, and I want to read what it says. > > > > I take the risk and