systemd: udev coldplug all devices question

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
Hello, There are some devices that when present will cause the "coldplug all devices" stage at boot to fail. On a normally installed system only an error is reported in the journal and logs during boot but the system boots normally and the device also functions normally. But on debian installer me

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Jude DaShiell
Jude "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) . On Wed, 14 Sep 2022, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Stefan wrote: > In article you > write: > >> the interest of the user. These "volunteers" ob

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 11:01 PM, Maude Summerside wrote: > > On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" > >> unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volun

Re: drive controller Q?

2022-09-14 Thread gene heskett
On 9/14/22 19:50, David Christensen wrote: On 9/14/22 11:40, gene heskett wrote: Greetings all; Does anyone have experience with this controller card? https://www.newegg.com/p/14G-04YB-3?Item=9SIB2XHHUE3880 Specifically, whats my chances of moving an existing software raid10's 4 Samsung

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 21:45, Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" >> unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers >> to spend their time on issues. > > Especiall

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/22 6:16 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Stefan wrote: > In article you > write: > >> the interest of the user. These "volunteers" obviously have other, > >> possibly malicious, interests if they prove themselves unwilling to > >> apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them. > > > >I think t

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 11:16:00PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: I'll be brutally honest: being accused of "possibly malicious" unwilligness is *not* a great way to convince overstretched volunteers to spend their time on issues. Especially when it's an ongoing pattern of discourse.

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 17:06, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 14.09.22 um 18:39 schrieb Maude Summerside: >> This is where intellectual shortcut starts... >> Free/OSS doesn't mean GPL. >> There's plenty of Free/OSS software that the copyright owner retains >> right to commercial licensing. Just look at librar

Re: drive controller Q?

2022-09-14 Thread David Christensen
On 9/14/22 11:40, gene heskett wrote: Greetings all; Does anyone have experience with this controller card? https://www.newegg.com/p/14G-04YB-3?Item=9SIB2XHHUE3880 Specifically, whats my chances of moving an existing software raid10's 4 Samsung 1T's to it, and then attaching 4 more 2T dri

Re: Should a serious bug have made in into bullseye 11.5?

2022-09-14 Thread Steve McIntyre
Michael Stone wrote: >On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 10:10:33AM -0500, David Wright wrote: >>Well, my focus would be on two things: (a) the change in compatibility >>level in debhelper in the middle of stable's lifetime > >That would not have ordinarily happened, and probably shouldn't have >happened in

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Steve McIntyre
Stefan wrote: In article you write: >> the interest of the user. These "volunteers" obviously have other, >> possibly malicious, interests if they prove themselves unwilling to >> apply fixes to bugs that are reported to them. > >I think there's a confusion here: these volunteers will also have >"

Re: Getting PHP to work with Apache on other directories

2022-09-14 Thread paulf
On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 08:51:56 -0700 Paul Scott wrote: > On 9/14/22 06:49, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: > > Folks: > > > > I just installed Debian testing. I do PHP development. I host live > > websites at /var/www/html and development sites at > > /home/paulf/public_html. I have Apache configure

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Thiemo Kellner
Am 14.09.22 um 18:39 schrieb Maude Summerside: This is where intellectual shortcut starts... Free/OSS doesn't mean GPL. There's plenty of Free/OSS software that the copyright owner retains right to commercial licensing. Just look at libraries, some of them will be in such a licensing term that if

Re: drive controller Q?

2022-09-14 Thread gene heskett
On 9/14/22 16:03, Dan Ritter wrote: gene heskett wrote: On 9/14/22 14:55, Dan Ritter wrote: gene heskett wrote: Greetings all; Does anyone have experience with this controller card? https://www.newegg.com/p/14G-04YB-3?Item=9SIB2XHHUE3880 Specifically, whats my chances of moving an exist

Re: drive controller Q?

2022-09-14 Thread gene heskett
On 9/14/22 15:23, Charles Curley wrote: On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 14:40:10 -0400 gene heskett wrote: Does anyone have experience with this controller card? https://www.newegg.com/p/14G-04YB-3?Item=9SIB2XHHUE3880 Gene, I don't know why you think you need 16 SATA ports. Also, this card ships fro

Re: drive controller Q?

2022-09-14 Thread Dan Ritter
gene heskett wrote: > On 9/14/22 14:55, Dan Ritter wrote: > > gene heskett wrote: > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > Does anyone have experience with this controller card? > > > > > > https://www.newegg.com/p/14G-04YB-3?Item=9SIB2XHHUE3880 > > > > > > Specifically, whats my chances of moving

Re: drive controller Q?

2022-09-14 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 03:43:16PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 9/14/22 14:55, Dan Ritter wrote: > > gene heskett wrote: > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > Does anyone have experience with this controller card? > > > > > > https://www.newegg.com/p/14G-04YB-3?Item=9SIB2XHHUE3880 > > > > > >

Re: drive controller Q?

2022-09-14 Thread gene heskett
On 9/14/22 14:55, Dan Ritter wrote: gene heskett wrote: Greetings all; Does anyone have experience with this controller card? https://www.newegg.com/p/14G-04YB-3?Item=9SIB2XHHUE3880 Specifically, whats my chances of moving an existing software raid10's 4 Samsung 1T's to it, and then attac

Re: drive controller Q?

2022-09-14 Thread Charles Curley
On Wed, 14 Sep 2022 14:40:10 -0400 gene heskett wrote: > Does anyone have experience with this controller card? > > https://www.newegg.com/p/14G-04YB-3?Item=9SIB2XHHUE3880 Gene, I don't know why you think you need 16 SATA ports. Also, this card ships from China, and 3 to 31 days shipping ma

Re: drive controller Q?

2022-09-14 Thread Dan Ritter
gene heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > Does anyone have experience with this controller card? > > https://www.newegg.com/p/14G-04YB-3?Item=9SIB2XHHUE3880 > > Specifically, whats my chances of moving an existing software raid10's 4 > Samsung 1T's to it, > and then attaching 4 more 2T drive

drive controller Q?

2022-09-14 Thread gene heskett
Greetings all; Does anyone have experience with this controller card? https://www.newegg.com/p/14G-04YB-3?Item=9SIB2XHHUE3880 Specifically, whats my chances of moving an existing software raid10's 4 Samsung 1T's to it, and then attaching 4 more 2T drives to it too, to create a separate 4T

Re: Success stories - Number one

2022-09-14 Thread Dan Ritter
DdB wrote: > 3. The simplistic approach: > To get to that goal, i did create a directory purely to hold the > status of my changes in the following form. For every modification > to the system, i considered being worth keeping, i stored 3 files. > 1. the original file as Ubuntu ha

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 08:31, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >>> For example, most web >>> browsers are based on chromium, a free oss project that comes in large part >>> from >>> Google, but some of the most-used browsers in the world based on chromium >>> are proprietary, such as chrome and edge. >> I am no

Re: Getting PHP to work with Apache on other directories

2022-09-14 Thread Paul Scott
On 9/14/22 06:49, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: Folks: I just installed Debian testing. I do PHP development. I host live websites at /var/www/html and development sites at /home/paulf/public_html. I have Apache configured so that localhost/~paulf/ gets me to the sites at /home/paulf/public_htm

Re: GenesysLogic USB microscope + uvcvideo interferes with all input

2022-09-14 Thread Maude Summerside
On 2022-09-14 11:31, Roger Price wrote: > On Wed, 14 Sep 2022, Roger Price wrote: > >> I'm trying to use a USB microscope with Debian 11.  When I plug it in >> dmesg reports: >> >>  usb 1-1.2: Manufacturer: GenesysLogic Technology Co., Ltd. >>  uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device USB2.0 UVC PC Came

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
People of debian-user :) This thread does seem to be degenerating slightly into accusations and name-calling, justified or not. Without prejudice to anyone: please may I remind you that debian-user and all Debian lists and IRC channels are subject to the Debian Code of Conduct. It would be very m

Success stories - Number one

2022-09-14 Thread DdB
1. Introduction: As many other users, i usually ask for help on this list, naming problems, i am facing and hoping to find help. Not this time. Last night, i rectivated an old script of mine, that was still hanging around in my repo since my Ubuntu days. I found it to be so use

Re: GenesysLogic USB microscope + uvcvideo interferes with all input

2022-09-14 Thread Roger Price
On Wed, 14 Sep 2022, Roger Price wrote: I'm trying to use a USB microscope with Debian 11. When I plug it in dmesg reports: usb 1-1.2: Manufacturer: GenesysLogic Technology Co., Ltd. uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device USB2.0 UVC PC Camera (a16f:0304) but when I run vlc v412:///dev/video0 , I s

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 9:06 AM, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2022-09-14 at 08:51, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > > On 9/14/2022 1:03 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >> > >> [...] > >> > >>> Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it b

GenesysLogic USB microscope + uvcvideo interferes with all input

2022-09-14 Thread Roger Price
I'm trying to use a USB microscope with Debian 11. When I plug it in dmesg reports: usb 1-1.2: Manufacturer: GenesysLogic Technology Co., Ltd. uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device USB2.0 UVC PC Camera (a16f:0304) but when I run vlc v412:///dev/video0 , I see a black window flash every 10 second

Getting PHP to work with Apache on other directories

2022-09-14 Thread paulf
Folks: I just installed Debian testing. I do PHP development. I host live websites at /var/www/html and development sites at /home/paulf/public_html. I have Apache configured so that localhost/~paulf/ gets me to the sites at /home/paulf/public_html. I have an index.html and a script to test PHP f

Re: Printer pauses a few seconds between each page

2022-09-14 Thread Yvan Masson
Hi, For those interested, I solved this by using PCL driver instead of Postscript (which was the default when setting up the printer), based on suggestions on the cups mailing list: https://lists.cups.org/pipermail/cups/2022-September/075164.html Regards, Yvan Le 11/09/2022 à 22:24, Yvan Mas

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 7:11 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 13.09.22 um 23:55 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: > > > > > I am fairly sure I was a victim of > > the breach of Yahoo that affected hundreds of millions of its users. > I am sorry for you. I do not know this case, so I cannot tell whether > OSS or CSS c

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-14 at 08:51, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/14/2022 1:03 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it better. His name is >>> Linus Torvalds [...] >> >> I don't k

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 1:03 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 03:41:11PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > [...] > > > Actually, someone already has shown us how to do it better. His name is > > Linus Torvalds [...] > > I don't know what your aim is. > > I have the impression that it's j

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/14/2022 7:08 AM, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > On 9/13/2022 3:59 PM, err...@free.fr wrote: > > > Please STOP! > > > > > > you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not > > > like this. you will better contribute with your code or with your > > > translations than by

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 7:11 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > Am 13.09.22 um 23:55 schrieb Chuck Zmudzinski: > > On 9/13/2022 4:14 PM, Thiemo Kellner wrote: > > I think Megha is emphasizing, and possibly over-emphasizing, the fact > > that the persons > > who actually commit the code in free software projects can

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 6:47 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > If free/oss projects like Debian want to provide software with those > > positive characteristics to their users, those projects must have in > > place some level of oversight over what the persons who actually write > > the software actually do, or d

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/13/2022 4:38 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > The users. They stop using software or any product that does not work > > well or is more trouble than it is worth. Then the entity, whether > > a free/oss or proprietary provider ends up shutting down > > the enterprise. > > But, being Free Software,

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-14 Thread debian-user
> On 9/13/2022 3:59 PM, err...@free.fr wrote: > > Please STOP! > > > > you are annoying, and if you want improve free softwares, is not > > like this. you will better contribute with your code or with your > > translations than by writing to this mailing-list I agree with the sentiments of annoy

Re: LibreOffice - any way to recover not saved changes to the file?

2022-09-14 Thread Curt
On 2022-09-13, DdB wrote: > Am 13.09.2022 um 21:47 schrieb Juan R.D. Silva: >> Oh, I did recreated it. And I even think is very close to original. :-) > > This is good news! Thanks for sharing it. :-) > DdB > I thought he was going to say the rewrite was an *improvement*. I think it was Hemingwa

Aw: Re: systemd automount unit: run only when server is reachable

2022-09-14 Thread Jürgen Bausa
Hi David, if I understood you correctly you propose to run a script in the background to check for the condition I am interested in (is the nfs server available?) and do the changes accordingly. In fact I am doing this at the moment. But I think its an ugly hack and thought a better solution s

Re: LibreOffice - any way to recover not saved changes to the file?

2022-09-14 Thread local10
Sep 13, 2022, 19:47 by juan.r.d.si...@gmail.com: > I was pissed off to find out that autosave is desabled by default. I used not > to care. Looks like now I want to enable it. :-) > I actually have it disabled on purpose. The reason is I don't always want changes to be autosaved because someti