OT: Re: systemd automount unit: run only when server is reachable

2022-09-12 Thread john doe
On 9/12/2022 7:05 PM, Joe wrote: On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 09:31:07 +0200 Jürgen Bausa wrote: >> I am sure this is not the best place to ask it (I know, its off-topic), But posting to other lists I didnt get an answer. So if you know a better place to ask it please point me there. I would say the

Re: Possible draft non-free firmware option with SC change

2022-09-12 Thread Luna Jernberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RWdELdiws4&t=5756s On 9/13/22, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Ansgar writes: > >> Hi, >> >> On Mon, 2022-09-12 at 21:03 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: >>> My experience is the same as you describe, with the free installer: >>> if you pick the right hardware, Debian work

Re: apt-cacher internal error (died)

2022-09-12 Thread David Wright
On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 18:57:40 (+0100), Adam Weremczuk wrote: > On 12/09/2022 16:42, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 14:33:59 (+0100), Adam Weremczuk wrote: > > > Switching to apt-cacher-ng brings no immediate joy :( > > > > > > CLIENT (192.168.100.243) > > > sudo apt update > > > Er

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread tomas
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 03:32:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > [...] "I can't get personalized/dedicated support with enforceable > SLAs for free" Had I a printer, I'd print out this, frame it and hang it on the wall. This makes the point very nicely :-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Descriptio

Re: LibreOffice - any way to recover not saved changes to the file?

2022-09-12 Thread Peter Hillier-Brook
On 12/09/2022 23:58, Juan R.D. Silva wrote: I edited a file for hours and then mistakenly clicked "Do not save" while closing file. Auto save is not enabled. No backup exist in LibreOffice Backup folder. The computer is not restarted yet. Temp folder have only old version. Any way to recover th

Re: LibreOffice - any way to recover not saved changes to the file?

2022-09-12 Thread DdB
Oh dear! Been there, done that... (short answer) No. Its more like "shit happens!" Even with best of knowledge and abilities, what once was in memory (RAM) will be reused pretty quick, and if you chose to not autosave regularly, there won't be much left, and even if there would be, the work to ge

LibreOffice - any way to recover not saved changes to the file?

2022-09-12 Thread Juan R.D. Silva
I edited a file for hours and then mistakenly clicked "Do not save" while closing file. Auto save is not enabled. No backup exist in LibreOffice Backup folder. The computer is not restarted yet. Temp folder have only old version. Any way to recover the lost edited version? Or the only option to

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/12/22 3:32 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 01:47:49PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >Well, I suppose so, but I am pleased that a grub maintainer is now on the > >case. Still, > >there is another Debian bug that affects me that continues to be ignored, so > >I admit > >I

Re: systemd automount unit: run only when server is reachable

2022-09-12 Thread Darac Marjal
systemd has a number of Condition* rules which can be added to units: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html#Conditions%20and%20Asserts You could maybe rig something up with that. Alternatively, if the mount always takes at least 10 seconds, then that sounds like it

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 01:47:49PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: Well, I suppose so, but I am pleased that a grub maintainer is now on the case. Still, there is another Debian bug that affects me that continues to be ignored, so I admit I have an attitude about that. I accept that what is of g

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-12 at 14:50, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/12/2022 1:58 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2022-09-12 at 13:47, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >>> I wish to merely point out that what is often said about the >>> advantages and disadvantages of free, open-source software that >>> is maintained

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/12/2022 1:58 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2022-09-12 at 13:47, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > > On 9/12/2022 12:14 PM, David Wright wrote: > > > >> On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 11:13:52 (-0400), Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > >>> The grub maintainers do not have the time or interest to fix it. > >>> Perha

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread tomas
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 01:47:49PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: [...] > [...] A disadvantage is that often the priorities of the developers who > release > free, open source software are not always the same as the priorities of any > particular > user [...] This might have been different bac

Aw: Re: systemd automount unit: run only when server is reachable

2022-09-12 Thread Jürgen Bausa
Hi Joe, > Gesendet: Montag, 12. September 2022 um 19:05 Uhr > Von: "Joe" > An: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Betreff: Re: systemd automount unit: run only when server is reachable > > > I have a number of shares (samba rather than nfs) listed in /etc/fstab > with the noauto and x-systemd.autom

Re: Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-09-12 at 13:47, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/12/2022 12:14 PM, David Wright wrote: > >> On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 11:13:52 (-0400), Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: >>> The grub maintainers do not have the time or interest to fix it. >>> Perhaps the Xen users could try to convince the Xen maintaine

Re: apt-cacher internal error (died)

2022-09-12 Thread Adam Weremczuk
Hi David, I've tried your list and the server updates fine. On a client I see again: sudo apt update Ign:1 http://192.168.100.1:3142/debian stretch InRelease Ign:2 http://192.168.100.1:3142/debian-security stretch/updates InRelease Hit:3 http://192.168.100.1:3142/debian stretch-updates InReleas

Re: fetchmail

2022-09-12 Thread Gerard ROBIN
Le Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 09:06:08AM -, Bert Riding a écrit : > Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2022 09:06:08 - (UTC) > From: Bert Riding > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: fetchmail > > On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 22:50:01 +0200, Gerard ROBIN wrote: > > > Hello, > > in Bullseye (stable) fetchmai

Advantages/Disadvantages of Open Source Software (Was Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release)

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/12/2022 12:14 PM, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 11:13:52 (-0400), Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > On 9/12/2022 12:55 AM, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > I would imagine a fix could follow quite quickly as it only requires > > > rebuilding with a filename added to a list of files not

Re: systemd automount unit: run only when server is reachable

2022-09-12 Thread Joe
On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 09:31:07 +0200 Jürgen Bausa wrote: > Using Linux now for a long time I am still not really familiar with > systemd and have a question on its usage. I am sure this is not the > best place to ask it (I know, its off-topic), But posting to other > lists I didnt get an answer. So

Re: how disable apt downloads w/o sudo

2022-09-12 Thread Tim Woodall
On Mon, 12 Sep 2022, jindam, vani wrote: i am concerned about *myself* Is your concern the use of bandwidth? yes Is a disk being filled up and running out of space? Something else? frankly, if the downloaded files cant be used, its *definitely* wastage of space Are you *only* concer

Re: how disable apt downloads w/o sudo

2022-09-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 04:44:36PM +, jindam, vani wrote: > On 12 September 2022 1:04:51 PM UTC, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >Well, *I* don't understand your issue yet. Can you please explain it in > >more detail? > > > >Are you trying to stop other users on your system from doing this, or are > >

Re: how disable apt downloads w/o sudo

2022-09-12 Thread jindam, vani
On 12 September 2022 1:04:51 PM UTC, Greg Wooledge wrote: >On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 12:59:15PM +, jindam, vani wrote: >> On 12 September 2022 11:23:49 AM UTC, Tim Woodall >> wrote: >> >If the OP is complaining about: >> > >> >$ apt download reportbug >> >Get:1 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debi

Re: Sendmail SASL Auth on Debian 11

2022-09-12 Thread Dave Parker
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 10:37 AM Henning Follmann wrote: > > First, please do not top post. > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 09:00:00AM -0400, Dave Parker wrote: > > Thanks for the advice. Just to clarify, this is an enterprise SMTP > server > > for a university, and we have used Sendmail for at leas

Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-12 Thread David Wright
On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 11:13:52 (-0400), Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > On 9/12/2022 12:55 AM, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 01:15:47 (+0200), Tom Lew wrote: > > > This is my first post, bear with me.. > > > > > > Package "grub-xen-host" shipped with point release 11.5 broke all PV > > >

Re: Should a serious bug have made in into bullseye 11.5?

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/12/2022 11:36 AM, Tim Woodall wrote: > On Mon, 12 Sep 2022, David Wright wrote: > > > > > AFAICT it had two months in testing without this problem being > > hit and reported. > > > > Unfortunately, g-x-h is probably mostly used on stable or oldstable with > guests running testing. > > I'm not

Re: Should a serious bug have made in into bullseye 11.5?

2022-09-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 10:10:33AM -0500, David Wright wrote: Well, my focus would be on two things: (a) the change in compatibility level in debhelper in the middle of stable's lifetime That would not have ordinarily happened, and probably shouldn't have happened in this case. Other non-minim

Re: apt-cacher internal error (died)

2022-09-12 Thread David Wright
On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 14:33:59 (+0100), Adam Weremczuk wrote: > Switching to apt-cacher-ng brings no immediate joy :( > > CLIENT (192.168.100.243) > sudo apt update > Err:5 http://192.168.100.1:3142/security stretch/updates Release > 503 DNS error for hostname security: No address associated wi

Re: Should a serious bug have made in into bullseye 11.5?

2022-09-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 02:32:16PM +, Andy Smith wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 10:15:41AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: There are automated processes that stop package migration at certain severity levels, but they can't guess that something that was filed at a low level really should have be

Re: Should a serious bug have made in into bullseye 11.5?

2022-09-12 Thread Tim Woodall
On Mon, 12 Sep 2022, David Wright wrote: On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 14:20:59 (+0100), Tim Woodall wrote: The same version also went to oldstable - where it turns out it works fine - so I can see how it could be missed but this was a bug that I feel would have, if necessary, justified delaying the 11

Re: Package grub-xen-host breaks PV domains with 11.5 point release

2022-09-12 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski
On 9/12/2022 12:55 AM, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 01:15:47 (+0200), Tom Lew wrote: > > This is my first post, bear with me.. > > > > Package "grub-xen-host" shipped with point release 11.5 broke all PV > > domains on my Xen server, after "apt upgrade" from 11.4. > > > > I found h

Re: Should a serious bug have made in into bullseye 11.5?

2022-09-12 Thread David Wright
On Mon 12 Sep 2022 at 14:20:59 (+0100), Tim Woodall wrote: > On Mon, 12 Sep 2022, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 12:00:20PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > > > Obviously, no one desires for there to be bugs, so your question > > > doesn't really make sense. "Should bugs make it into Debia

Re: Sendmail SASL Auth on Debian 11

2022-09-12 Thread Henning Follmann
First, please do not top post. On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 09:00:00AM -0400, Dave Parker wrote: > Thanks for the advice. Just to clarify, this is an enterprise SMTP server > for a university, and we have used Sendmail for at least 25 years now. I > have deployed and configured Sendmail on probably

Re: Should a serious bug have made in into bullseye 11.5?

2022-09-12 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 10:15:41AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > There are automated processes that stop package migration at > certain severity levels, but they can't guess that something that > was filed at a low level really should have been higher. I think in this case the package was

Re: Should a serious bug have made in into bullseye 11.5?

2022-09-12 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 02:20:59PM +0100, Tim Woodall wrote: Agreed. While I tend to try to file bugs at the lowest severity that can be justified, I know that others go the other way. This is one I'd probably have filed as Grave or even Critical. (I see it's now been bumped to Grave) If it's s

Re: Should a serious bug have made in into bullseye 11.5?

2022-09-12 Thread Tim Woodall
On Mon, 12 Sep 2022, David wrote: On Mon, 12 Sept 2022 at 23:21, Tim Woodall wrote: It just felt wrong to me that this bug (and version bump of the package) could go to stable without someone at least acknowleging the bug. AFAICT there's no fundamental reason it needed to go out. If it was tha

Re: apt-cacher internal error (died)

2022-09-12 Thread Adam Weremczuk
Switching to apt-cacher-ng brings no immediate joy :( CLIENT (192.168.100.243) sudo apt update Err:5 http://192.168.100.1:3142/security stretch/updates Release 503 DNS error for hostname security: No address associated with hostname. If security refers to a configured cache repository, please

Re: Should a serious bug have made in into bullseye 11.5?

2022-09-12 Thread David
On Mon, 12 Sept 2022 at 23:21, Tim Woodall wrote: > On Mon, 12 Sep 2022, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 12:00:20PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > >> Obviously, no one desires for there to be bugs, so your question > >> doesn't really make sense. "Should bugs make it into Debian release

Re: Should a serious bug have made in into bullseye 11.5?

2022-09-12 Thread Tim Woodall
On Mon, 12 Sep 2022, Andy Smith wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 12:00:20PM +, Andy Smith wrote: Obviously, no one desires for there to be bugs, so your question doesn't really make sense. "Should bugs make it into Debian releases"? Ah, sorry, I think I misunderstood - you are literally ask

Re: how disable apt downloads w/o sudo

2022-09-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 12:59:15PM +, jindam, vani wrote: > On 12 September 2022 11:23:49 AM UTC, Tim Woodall > wrote: > >If the OP is complaining about: > > > >$ apt download reportbug > >Get:1 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian buster/main i386 reportbug all > >7.5.3~deb10u1 [128 kB] > >Fetche

Re: Sendmail SASL Auth on Debian 11

2022-09-12 Thread Dave Parker
Thanks for the advice. Just to clarify, this is an enterprise SMTP server for a university, and we have used Sendmail for at least 25 years now. I have deployed and configured Sendmail on probably hundreds of servers over the years, but most of them are on internal networks and relay mail through

Re: how disable apt downloads w/o sudo

2022-09-12 Thread jindam, vani
On 12 September 2022 11:23:49 AM UTC, Tim Woodall wrote: >On Mon, 12 Sep 2022, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 06:37:47AM +, jindam, vani wrote: >>> how do i stop apt downloads if i dont >>> use sudo. for ex: >>> $ apt install reportbug >> >> Since you posted your sample

Re: Should a serious bug have made in into bullseye 11.5?

2022-09-12 Thread Andy Smith
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 12:00:20PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Obviously, no one desires for there to be bugs, so your question > doesn't really make sense. "Should bugs make it into Debian releases"? Ah, sorry, I think I misunderstood - you are literally asking if the presence of a severity "serio

Re: Should a serious bug have made in into bullseye 11.5?

2022-09-12 Thread Andy Smith
On Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 09:23:17PM +0100, Tim Woodall wrote: > Should https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1017944 have > made it into debian 11.5? I thought serious bugs shouldn't make it into > stable? I'm trying to read your email charitably in the sense that you are wondering how

Re: how disable apt downloads w/o sudo

2022-09-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 12:23:49PM +0100, Tim Woodall wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 06:37:47AM +, jindam, vani wrote: > > > how do i stop apt downloads if i dont > > > use sudo. for ex: > > > $ apt install reportbug > If the OP is complaining about: > > $ apt download reportbug > Get:1 h

Re: how disable apt downloads w/o sudo

2022-09-12 Thread Tim Woodall
On Mon, 12 Sep 2022, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 06:37:47AM +, jindam, vani wrote: how do i stop apt downloads if i dont use sudo. for ex: $ apt install reportbug Since you posted your sample command with a $ as the shell prompt, we assume that you are running the command

Re: how disable apt downloads w/o sudo

2022-09-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 06:37:47AM +, jindam, vani wrote: > how do i stop apt downloads if i dont > use sudo. for ex: > $ apt install reportbug Since you posted your sample command with a $ as the shell prompt, we assume that you are running the command as a non-root user. That's what the $

Re: how disable apt downloads w/o sudo

2022-09-12 Thread Dan Ritter
jindam, vani wrote: > how do i stop apt downloads if i dont > use sudo. for ex: > $ apt install reportbug apt can't install things without root permissions. What is the actual result of typing the above command as a non-root user? -dsr-

Re: fetchmail

2022-09-12 Thread Bert Riding
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 22:50:01 +0200, Gerard ROBIN wrote: > Hello, > in Bullseye (stable) fetchmail works fine, but in Bookworm (testing) I > get: > > fetchmail: can't accept options while a background fetchmail is running. > argc = 5, arg list: > arg 1 = "-k" > arg 2 = "--ssl" > arg 3 = "--mda" >

Re: Download links do not work

2022-09-12 Thread Luna Jernberg
Works for me too here in Sweden with Telia as an ISP On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 10:42 AM Corentin Bardet wrote: > Hi, > > > Debian.org/download does not work. Not a single link works. All it says > is “unable to connect”. I get this issue on every browser I use > > Debian download page does work he

Re: Download links do not work

2022-09-12 Thread Corentin Bardet
Hi, > Debian.org/download does not work. Not a single link works. All it says is > “unable to connect”. I get this issue on every browser I use Debian download page does work here from France. Kevin Price , le 12 sept 2022 : > Your IPv4 address 17.58.6.50 is allocated to Apple Inc. I think tha

systemd automount unit: run only when server is reachable

2022-09-12 Thread Jürgen Bausa
Using Linux now for a long time I am still not really familiar with systemd and have a question on its usage. I am sure this is not the best place to ask it (I know, its off-topic), But posting to other lists I didnt get an answer. So if you know a better place to ask it please point me there.

Re: Sendmail SASL Auth on Debian 11

2022-09-12 Thread Henning Follmann
On Fri, Sep 09, 2022 at 11:55:06AM -0400, Dave Parker wrote: > Hello, > > Years ago, I set up an SMTP server on Debian 7.5, running Sendmail > configured for SASL authentication using an LDAP directory. I am now > trying to set up a new one on Debian 11.5 in pretty much the same > configuration,