Re: How should learning to program in c++ be approached, if learning objectives are sought to be customised?

2022-06-12 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On 2022-05-30 05:12, Susmita/Rajib wrote: Could I please be given a little more guidance on the following aspects please?: (1) exhaustive example codes All Debian main packages have source code as they are free software. (2) object library resources, references, explanations, et al A

Re: How should learning to program in c++ be approached, if learning objectives are sought to be customised?

2022-06-12 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On 2022-06-13 01:57, Bijan Soleymani wrote: On 2022-05-30 13:01, Susmita/Rajib wrote: I was trying to find out if c++ could be used to build device drivers. You said, "... Linux drivers are written in C, but technically you can mix languages: use C++ and link it against C ...". But I would reque

Re: How should learning to program in c++ be approached, if learning objectives are sought to be customised?

2022-06-12 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On 2022-05-30 13:01, Susmita/Rajib wrote: I was trying to find out if c++ could be used to build device drivers. You said, "... Linux drivers are written in C, but technically you can mix languages: use C++ and link it against C ...". But I would request more specificity here:(a) if c++ coul

Re: 64 bit not 64

2022-06-12 Thread Bijan Soleymani
On 2022-06-04 18:54, bruce banter wrote: So on my computer when I am trying to install Debian 64 it keeps on telling me it cant do it and its because it’s a 32 bit program! Any reasoning why that might be? What's the exact message? Is it in the installer or the bios boot up or in another OS l

Re: error using synaptic UPGRADE/INSTALL

2022-06-12 Thread Russell L. Harris
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 11:27:04PM -0500, David Wright wrote: The fact that your working directory is a user's (yours?), and ???sbin directories are not in your $PATH suggests you might have become root using "su" and not "su -" or "su --login". Try one of these instead. (The change to su's seman

Re: error using synaptic UPGRADE/INSTALL

2022-06-12 Thread gene heskett
On 6/13/22 00:29, David Wright wrote: On Mon 13 Jun 2022 at 03:22:29 (+), Russell L. Harris wrote: Debian 11 AMD At the end of my weekly UPGRADE session using synaptic, the system hung. I restarted using the hardware RESET button. The system booted and found a number of orphaned nodes.

Re: error using synaptic UPGRADE/INSTALL

2022-06-12 Thread David Wright
On Mon 13 Jun 2022 at 03:22:29 (+), Russell L. Harris wrote: > Debian 11 AMD > > At the end of my weekly UPGRADE session using synaptic, the system > hung. I restarted using the hardware RESET button. The system > booted and found a number of orphaned nodes. > > When I started synaptic a me

error using synaptic UPGRADE/INSTALL

2022-06-12 Thread Russell L. Harris
Debian 11 AMD At the end of my weekly UPGRADE session using synaptic, the system hung. I restarted using the hardware RESET button. The system booted and found a number of orphaned nodes. When I started synaptic a message was displayed that I needed to run dpkg --configure -a. When I ran tha

Re: Cron removal - unstable, question

2022-06-12 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 11:56:26PM +0100, Štěpán Košan wrote: > really sorry to bother with a stupid question, however I was wondering, I > got a warning that CRON is about to be removed in the upgrade, but it seems > it's still on. Is there a plan to remove it eventually? I have not seen

Cron removal - unstable, question

2022-06-12 Thread Štěpán Košan
Hello everyone, really sorry to bother with a stupid question, however I was wondering, I got a warning that CRON is about to be removed in the upgrade, but it seems it's still on. Is there a plan to remove it eventually? Thank you and I apologize If this list is only for Debian stable. Best reg

Sudo or su ? [WAS Re: Firmware III grub]

2022-06-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 05:06:01PM +, Schwibinger Michael wrote: > Good evening > Good evening, Sophie Could I ask a favour from you, please? If you start a new question or a new topic, could you please change the subject line of your message. This may make things easier to follow. If you

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Anssi Saari
rhkra...@gmail.com writes: > IIRC, the bootable flag is pretty much irrelevant in Linux -- it doesn't have > to be set to boot from a partitions. Am I mis-remembering? I remember I once had an Intel motherboard where the BIOS wouldn't boot a partition if it wasn't set to bootable. But as you sa

AW: Firmware III grub

2022-06-12 Thread Schwibinger Michael
Good evening Thank You Is the most easy way for update and root managing su su - sudo? Tegards Sophie Von: Greg Wooledge Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Mai 2022 19:16 An: debian-user@lists.debian.org Betreff: Re: Firmware III grub On Tue, May 24, 2022 at 09:07:46P

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread mick crane
On 2022-06-12 18:34, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: On Sunday 12 June 2022 12:54:19 pm mick crane wrote: As mentioned before, if it was me, I'd remove everything except the disk thing you want to boot with that has the OS on it and add and get things working one at a time afterwards. Were I run

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 12:20:05 -0400 gene heskett wrote: > Now, I really need a terminal for alt-ctl-F3 that does support the > mouse. charles@hawk:~$ apt show gpm Package: gpm Version: 1.20.7-8 Priority: optional Section: misc Maintainer: Axel Beckert Installed-Size: 553 kB Pre-Depends: init-sy

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Brian
On Sun 12 Jun 2022 at 17:00:42 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 12:20:05PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: > > > > What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm.

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Saturday 11 June 2022 08:17:26 pm gene heskett wrote: > I tried to do that in gimp before I sent it, but all the menu's are > changed from what I am used to, I could select and save what I wanted, > clear the frame and paste what I'd outlined and saved, but I got the > whole thing back when I

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Sunday 12 June 2022 12:54:19 pm mick crane wrote: > As mentioned before, if it was me, I'd remove everything except the disk > thing you want to boot with that has the OS on it and add and get things > working one at a time afterwards. Were I running into these kinds of hassles, that would

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread David Wright
On Sun 12 Jun 2022 at 12:53:31 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > On 6/12/22 12:34, David Wright wrote: > > On Sat 11 Jun 2022 at 19:41:34 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > > Thanks all, I think I'm making progress. But apparently I'm a new bee at > > > raid stuff. Hmmm, I just noted that htop is showin

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 12:20:05PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: > > > What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm. > > For me, konsole does fine -- I can C&P from it with the mouse (and,

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread gene heskett
On 6/12/22 12:41, Dan Ritter wrote: gene heskett wrote: On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: That's not the important first impression however. Installing without a root pw, I am prevented from doing anything to the system setup

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 11:42:06AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > If blkid is missing, so is lsblk, unicorn:~$ type blkid blkid is /sbin/blkid unicorn:~$ type lsblk lsblk is /bin/lsblk Betcha it's a PATH thing.

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread mick crane
On 2022-06-12 17:20, gene heskett wrote: I so want you to succeed and I can't be a lot of help. As mentioned before, if it was me, I'd remove everything except the disk thing you want to boot with that has the OS on it and add and get things working one at a time afterwards. mick -- Key ID

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread gene heskett
On 6/12/22 12:34, David Wright wrote: On Sat 11 Jun 2022 at 19:41:34 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: On Saturday, 11 June 2022 13:32:54 EDT gene heskett wrote: On Saturday, 11 June 2022 11:47:46 EDT gene heskett wrote: Let me go look at synaptic on the remote machine I've been using to see if i

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread David Wright
On Sun 12 Jun 2022 at 12:20:05 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: > > > What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm. > > For me, konsole does fine -- I can C&P from it with the mouse (and, > > p

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Dan Ritter
gene heskett wrote: > > On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: > That's not the important first impression however. Installing without a root > pw, I am prevented from doing anything to the system setup cuz everything > but synapti

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread David Wright
On Sat 11 Jun 2022 at 19:41:34 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 13:32:54 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 11:47:46 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > > Let me go look at synaptic on the remote machine I've been using to > > > see if its installable. yes, but it

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread David Wright
On Sat 11 Jun 2022 at 19:49:03 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 14:49:07 EDT Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 01:32:54PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > And I'm back from install 28, booted to the old install, the bios > > > cannot see the drive I just

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread David Wright
On Sun 12 Jun 2022 at 03:53:49 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote: > Thomas Schmitt composed on 2022-06-12 09:21 (UTC+0200): > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > >> The fact remains that xterm is not in the pulldown menu's, I have konsole > >> and termit, and termit will work from x and give me mouse driven copy/

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread gene heskett
On 6/12/22 10:01, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm. For me, konsole does fine -- I can C&P from it with the mouse (and, presumably, keystrokes). Well, I gave up and did another 29t install, but in

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread rhkramer
On Sunday, June 12, 2022 07:53:21 AM gene heskett wrote: > What I do have is konsole and termit, no xterm. For me, konsole does fine -- I can C&P from it with the mouse (and, presumably, keystrokes).

OT: why (was: Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails)

2022-06-12 Thread rhkramer
I was going to restrain myself and not send this, but I succumbed ... sorry for the noise. On Sunday, June 12, 2022 03:53:49 AM Felix Miata wrote: > Why this tangent to Gene's foibles? I shouldn't do this, but ... (And no criticism intended of anyone, specifically Thomas Schmitt.) s/song/threa

Re: xterm. Was: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, it comes to me that Debian has an official screenshot of one of my xterms. So here is an xterm with -bg wheat -fg black: https://screenshots.debian.net/shrine/screenshot/15899/simage/large-de6e648f9ed3746646ab2120ba5da1f0.png It is a bit higher than usual, to take all lines which i wanted

Re: xterm. Was: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: > xterm cannot be found by synaptic or apt either. The package xterm exists and has versions in all current releases of Debian. See: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/xterm Try sudo apt-get install xterm or sudo apt install xterm > So I'll repeat, what is this mag

Re: xterm. Valid /etc/apt/sources.list [Was 26th pass]

2022-06-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 08:08:49AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 07:53:21AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > gene@coyote:~$ bash: xterm: command not found > > > > xterm cannot be found by synaptic or apt either. > > unicorn:~$ apt policy xterm > xterm: > Installed: 366-1+d

Re: Resolved: Re: OT: Bash: what is eval doing here?

2022-06-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 07:57:40AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, June 11, 2022 10:25:34 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 09:54:17AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > eval `ssh-agent` > > > For the record, the command you've got here is written in a very >

Re: Resolved: Re: OT: Bash: what is eval doing here?

2022-06-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 2022-06-12 at 07:57, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, June 11, 2022 10:25:34 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 09:54:17AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> eval `ssh-agent` > >> For the record, the command you've got here is written in a very >> antiquated wa

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 07:53:21AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > gene@coyote:~$ bash: xterm: command not found > > xterm cannot be found by synaptic or apt either. unicorn:~$ apt policy xterm xterm: Installed: 366-1+deb11u1 Candidate: 366-1+deb11u1 Version table: *** 366-1+deb11u1 500

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 07:53:21AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On Sunday, 12 June 2022 03:21:50 EDT Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > The fact remains that xterm is not in the pulldown menu's, I have > > > konsole and termit, and termit will work from x and give me m

Re: Resolved: Re: OT: Bash: what is eval doing here?

2022-06-12 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 10:25:34 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 09:54:17AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > eval `ssh-agent` > For the record, the command you've got here is written in a very > antiquated way. A better (as well as more modern) way to write it > would be:

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, 12 June 2022 03:21:50 EDT Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > The fact remains that xterm is not in the pulldown menu's, I have > > konsole and termit, and termit will work from x and give me mouse > > driven copy/ paste. But its a teeny litle thing on this monitors

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: > It does have efi, but its disabled in the bios. The "BIOS" of ASUS PRIME Z370-A II is EFI. (Unfortunate naming, indeed, as we normally use "BIOS" for legacy PC-BIOS, the one which boots by executing the x86 code in the MBR.) If you switched to legacy CSM mode (*), then

Re: which X11 app can show wifi info

2022-06-12 Thread lou
Thank David Wright! "wpa_cli status" is handy for me

Re: xterm

2022-06-12 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Felix Miata wrote: > What purpose does an Xterm serve that can't be fulfilled by Konsole? Dunno. xterm was proposed to Gene Heskett for use and he stated that it's not available in the desktop menus. > Why this tangent to Gene's foibles? To give some tangible information and to enable a be

Re: xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Felix Miata
Thomas Schmitt composed on 2022-06-12 09:21 (UTC+0200): > Gene Heskett wrote: >> The fact remains that xterm is not in the pulldown menu's, I have konsole >> and termit, and termit will work from x and give me mouse driven copy/ >> paste. But its a teeny litle thing on this monitors screen. > Ex

xterm. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-12 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: > The fact remains that xterm is not in the pulldown menu's, I have konsole > and termit, and termit will work from x and give me mouse driven copy/ > paste. But its a teeny litle thing on this monitors screen. Execute xterm & in one of the terminal windows which the p