Re: apt key handling needs to be properly documented--what to do?

2022-06-11 Thread Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues
Quoting Ross Boylan (2022-06-11 09:07:14) > The apt-secure man page in Debian 11 notes that repository signing is > a key part of the Debian security infrastructure. But key parts of it > are not documented. In my opinion that is a significant security > problem, but the apt maintainers clearly do

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, 11 June 2022 14:53:13 EDT David Wright wrote: > On Sat 11 Jun 2022 at 07:13:38 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > On Friday, 10 June 2022 08:23:26 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > > On Friday, 10 June 2022 02:45:20 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > > > On Friday, 10 June 2022 00:45:19 EDT David Wri

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, 11 June 2022 13:28:55 EDT Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > And I did try ext2 for an fs choice. Made no difference, it would > > > not set the bootable flag. Tried both fat16 and fat32 too. > > > Spmething would not allow settiing the bootable flag. > > The b

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, 11 June 2022 14:53:29 EDT David Wright wrote: > On Sat 11 Jun 2022 at 07:31:36 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 05:39:22 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 00:49:57 EDT David Wright wrote: > > > > On Fri 10 Jun 2022 at 08:44:22 (+), An

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, 11 June 2022 14:52:36 EDT David Wright wrote: > On Sat 11 Jun 2022 at 11:47:46 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 09:01:48 EDT Andy Smith wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 07:31:36AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 00:49:57 EDT

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, 11 June 2022 14:49:07 EDT Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 01:32:54PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 11:47:46 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 09:01:48 EDT Andy Smith wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 1

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, 11 June 2022 13:32:54 EDT gene heskett wrote: > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 11:47:46 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 09:01:48 EDT Andy Smith wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 07:31:36AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > On Saturday, 11 June

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 11:47:46AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 09:01:48 EDT Andy Smith wrote: > > Gene, come on. You know how to select and paste out of an xterm. It > > does not matter what that xterm is doing, whether it is displaying a > > file of locally store

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread David Wright
On Sat 11 Jun 2022 at 07:31:36 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 05:39:22 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 00:49:57 EDT David Wright wrote: > > > On Fri 10 Jun 2022 at 08:44:22 (+), Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 07:53:20PM -

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread David Wright
On Sat 11 Jun 2022 at 07:13:38 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > On Friday, 10 June 2022 08:23:26 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > On Friday, 10 June 2022 02:45:20 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > > On Friday, 10 June 2022 00:45:19 EDT David Wright wrote: > > > > On Thu 09 Jun 2022 at 23:59:06 (-0400), gene hes

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread David Wright
On Sat 11 Jun 2022 at 11:47:46 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 09:01:48 EDT Andy Smith wrote: > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 07:31:36AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 00:49:57 EDT David Wright wrote: > > > > > AFAIK, there's no way of recording th

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 01:32:54PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 11:47:46 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 09:01:48 EDT Andy Smith wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 07:31:36AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > On Saturday, 11 J

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, 11 June 2022 11:47:46 EDT gene heskett wrote: > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 09:01:48 EDT Andy Smith wrote: > > Hello, > > > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 07:31:36AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 00:49:57 EDT David Wright wrote: > > > > > AFAIK, there's no way

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: > > And I did try ext2 for an fs choice. Made no difference, it would not set > > the bootable flag. Tried both fat16 and fat32 too. Spmething would not > > allow settiing the bootable flag. The boot flag is set to a partition's description in the partition table, not to a

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, 11 June 2022 09:01:48 EDT Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 07:31:36AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 00:49:57 EDT David Wright wrote: > > > > AFAIK, there's no way of recording the screens if you use text > > > > mode > > > > locally,

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread tomas
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 11:06:45AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 08:40:15 EDT Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: [...] (I hope I'm not mixing up the quoting) > > 537M - FAT - at the very beginning of the disk - the ESP partition - > > mounted as /boot/efi > > > Is that now mandat

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, 11 June 2022 09:32:45 EDT rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, June 11, 2022 07:13:38 AM gene heskett wrote: > > Welp, I did that, but the installer refuses to set the bootable flag > > on that drive, it blinks the remote screen, but when its repainted, > > its still off. I went th

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, 11 June 2022 08:40:15 EDT Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 07:13:38AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > On Friday, 10 June 2022 08:23:26 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > > On Friday, 10 June 2022 02:45:20 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > > > On Friday, 10 June 2022 00:45:19 EDT Da

Boot flag. Was Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, (I still riddle what gene Heskett means with "installer refuses to set the bootable flag". So i only answer to the rhkramer's question.) rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > IIRC, the bootable flag is pretty much irrelevant in Linux -- it doesn't > have to be set to boot from a partitions. Am I mis-r

Re: Resolved: Re: OT: Bash: what is eval doing here?

2022-06-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 09:54:17AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > eval `ssh-agent` > Then, in accordance with my vague recollection of what I think of as Greg > Woolidge's typical advice (which I (may mis-)remember as "always quote"), I > thought the backticks (that I incorrectly saw as sing

Resolved: Re: OT: Bash: what is eval doing here?

2022-06-11 Thread rhkramer
Intentionaly top posting: I just wanted to say that the question is resolved, and record my understanding. Thanks to all who replied! Repeating the command for posterity: eval `ssh-agent` I now see that it is a two step process, first the backticks cause ssh-agent to be run, producing 3 line

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, June 11, 2022 07:13:38 AM gene heskett wrote: > Welp, I did that, but the installer refuses to set the bootable flag on > that drive, it blinks the remote screen, but when its repainted, its > still off. I went thru the loop, even made a new gpt partition table, but > no joy. and all I

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 07:31:36AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 00:49:57 EDT David Wright wrote: > > > AFAIK, there's no way of recording the screens if you use text mode > > > locally, rather than remotely. Hence the instructions I have been > > > posting. Howev

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 07:13:38AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On Friday, 10 June 2022 08:23:26 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > On Friday, 10 June 2022 02:45:20 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > > On Friday, 10 June 2022 00:45:19 EDT David Wright wrote: > > > > On Thu 09 Jun 2022 at 23:59:06 (-0400), gene h

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread songbird
gene heskett wrote: ... > Welp, I did that, but the installer refuses to set the bootable flag on > that drive, it blinks the remote screen, but when its repainted, its > still off. I went thru the loop, even made a new gpt partition table, but > no joy. and all I have to show for it is a 5 mega

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, 11 June 2022 05:39:22 EDT gene heskett wrote: > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 00:49:57 EDT David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 10 Jun 2022 at 08:44:22 (+), Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 07:53:20PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > On Thursday, 9 June 2022 18:49:40

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, 10 June 2022 08:23:26 EDT gene heskett wrote: > On Friday, 10 June 2022 02:45:20 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > On Friday, 10 June 2022 00:45:19 EDT David Wright wrote: > > > On Thu 09 Jun 2022 at 23:59:06 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > > > On Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:13:53 EDT mick crane

Re: which X11 app can show wifi info

2022-06-11 Thread lou
On 6/11/22 7:00 PM, Brian wrote: You are associating with a wireless access point. You must be using wpasupplicant. Have you tried installing wpagui? Thanks, wpagui seems to work for me.

Re: which X11 app can show wifi info

2022-06-11 Thread Brian
On Sat 11 Jun 2022 at 18:08:24 +0800, lou wrote: > On 6/11/22 4:57 PM, Brian wrote: > > > You may want wpagui, a graphical frontend for wpasupplicant. > > > Use of Qt apps does not involve installing KDE. > > > Thanks, but i use ifup/ifdown (not wpasupplicant) to manage network > connection.

Re: which X11 app can show wifi info

2022-06-11 Thread lou
On 6/11/22 4:57 PM, Brian wrote: You may want wpagui, a graphical frontend for wpasupplicant. Use of Qt apps does not involve installing KDE. Thanks, but i use ifup/ifdown (not wpasupplicant) to manage network connection.

Re: 26th pass at installing 11-3, fails

2022-06-11 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, 11 June 2022 00:49:57 EDT David Wright wrote: > On Fri 10 Jun 2022 at 08:44:22 (+), Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 07:53:20PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > On Thursday, 9 June 2022 18:49:40 EDT Andy Smith wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 05:15:28PM -0

Re: which X11 app can show wifi info

2022-06-11 Thread Brian
On Fri 10 Jun 2022 at 08:05:12 +0800, lou wrote: > i want a small app that show wifi info, including  connected network name > (wpa-ssid) You may want wpagui, a graphical frontend for wpasupplicant. > hopefully it doesn't depend on qt as i don't use kde ( i use twm for buster) Use of Qt apps d

apt key handling needs to be properly documented--what to do?

2022-06-11 Thread Ross Boylan
The apt-secure man page in Debian 11 notes that repository signing is a key part of the Debian security infrastructure. But key parts of it are not documented. In my opinion that is a significant security problem, but the apt maintainers clearly do not share that view. apt-secure's man page says