Finding related package for bug report regarding display output

Hello, since 26th of February I have problems with the DisplayPort outputs of my Lenovo ThinkPad T470p. If I use the notebooks output I can get one external monitor to function but daisy chaining does not work. If I use the output of the docking station, the external monitors do not work at all.

Re: Using Gmail on Debian mailing lists

On Mi, 10 mar 21, 21:34:27, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > Also, I saw that "reply to all" quotes the whole thread. > I would not like to bloat the messages with such big quotes. Hint: you are already doing that, Gmail just hides the quotes for you. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.or

Re: Network connection of a qemu guest.

Hi. On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 02:56:30PM -0800, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > qemu-system-i386 -nic user,ipv6=off,model=ne2k_pci ... In this case QEMU uses built-in DHCP server to provide 10.0.2/24 network to the guest OS. If you need another network it should be changed in QEMU's commandline.

Re: Network connection of a qemu guest.

pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Will be happy with telnet or ssh or ftp from the guest to the host. (I > know telnet and ftp aren't secure but all is within one machine which > runs shorewall.)  No other machine is involved, for now at least. > > Thanks again, https://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Netw

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > I think too that it could be better than both Debian and Windows are > today. In Windows, if you look under C:\Windows\System32\ it becomes > scary. Same when you open the hood of your car, no? Not to mention aircraft engine ... so to put it short - in life a lot of t

Re: Booting is frozen on GDM Firmware problem

BTW, I used this firmware ISO image to insall Debian: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/bt-dvd/ -- Regards, ARNULD

Booting is frozen on GDM + Firmware problem

I just installed Debian Buster with GNOME on my laptop. Whenever I boot it, it just freezes on "Starting GDM". During installation, I got this messsage: """Some of your hardware requires non-free firmware to operate... The missing firmware files are: ath10k/pre-cal-pci-:03:00.0.bin ath10k/

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 14:52, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 10 Mar 2021 at 17:45:48 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote: > > dpkg -S =foo > Sorry, but we're not all familiar with the construct "=foo" > as interpreted by zsh, oops, Zsh. Can you elaborate on what > dpkg itself is being fed by this co

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

On Wed 10 Mar 2021 at 17:45:48 (-0500), Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I just read this: > > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/ > > It seems as a good idea that merge of /usr. > > I was wondering what would happen if some program used filesystem paths > > as its inp

Re: Network connection of a qemu guest.

Nate, Thanks for the reply. From: Nate Bargmann Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 19:43:58 -0600 > I rely on the Qemu system to setup the IP address from the 10.x.x.x > block but that seems only to be accessible from inside the VM: So, for example, the host might set 10.3.3.1 on its interface to t

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> Your message to which I am replying contains no HTML. > > Likewise the previous one, which is why I wrote "Thank you. That works." Ok. Thank you too. Have a good day.

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 13:45, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > Thank you. That works. That's what I do, as another > > Gmail user who attempts to do the right thing here :) > > It does not affect us Gmail users, but it does annoy > > many other people here. > Ok, I just hope that the HTML version

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> Thank you. That works. That's what I do, as another > Gmail user who attempts to do the right thing here :) > It does not affect us Gmail users, but it does annoy > many other people here. Ok, I just hope that the HTML version of Gmail defaults to plain text, I'm not using the normal interface w

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> I don't see why that would come up in this case. > > In the model I described, the original paths which you found confusing > are all still there, and anything which wants to find things under them > can continue to use them. > > All this model does is give those paths an additional name each, an

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 12:53, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > Please note our code of conduct [1] includes: > > "Please don't send your messages in HTML; use plain text instead." > > Note 'instead', not 'in addition to'. > > [1] https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct > Yes, I read yo

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> In one of the Apple frameworks they have a class called > "INGetAvailableRestaurantReservationBookingDefaultsIntentResponse" Well, I have to say that it is too much even for modern PCs. There should be a limit.

Re: Using Gmail on Debian mailing lists

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 12:34, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > I have a question, why should I use "reply to all" instead of "reply", > aside that "reply to all" puts the mailing list on copy. That's my method of persuading Gmail to reply to the list, but it also requires that I remember to delete a

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> Please note our code of conduct [1] includes: > "Please don't send your messages in HTML; use plain text instead." > Note 'instead', not 'in addition to'. > > [1] https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct Yes, I read your code of conduct, I just thought that unformatted text messages wo

Re: Network connection of a qemu guest.

* On 2021 10 Mar 17:36 -0600, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > Hi again, > > https://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking > and > http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/QEMU/Networking > refer to qemu options -net, -netdev and -device whereas the manual for > qemu 1:3.1+dfsg-8+deb10u8 describes -nic as curren

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

> > TDE is the only DE I use on my Debians. Light it is, but with a feature set that > floats my boat very well. > I had only 2GB RAM on this old Core2Duo until recently: > > # free # on fresh boot to multi-user.target > totalusedf

Using Gmail on Debian mailing lists

> While it looks like doing that works ok in Gmail, don't do that > because it is a lazy user-interface-design decision by Gmail that > is unpopular here because it actually causes problems for everyone else. > > Gmail "conversations" are a thing that exists only in Gmail. They > are a broken simpl

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z composed on 2021-03-10 07:26 (UTC-0400): > How is that TDE? Is it like KDE but much lighter? > What are the main differences? TDE is the only DE I use on my Debians. L

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> > > The ergonomics and aesthetics of the command line are not always reflected > in programming languages, because the environments are not the same. > Commands needed to be typed on a teletype console in the middle of the > night to fix problems. Programs could be developed at leisure, with > f

Re: Plasma can be a lightweight

Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z composed on 2021-03-10 19:03 (UTC-0400): > Felix Miata composed on 2021-03-10 16:41 (UTC-0500): >> Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z composed on 2021-03-10 14:59 (UTC-0400): >>> I'm new to mailing lists. I didn't now you could link threads (it is >>> threads, right?). >> I really have no

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

On 2021-03-10 at 19:31, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > Written by The Wanderer > >> Well, if all you want is to be able to have more "newbie-friendly" >> descriptive names of the directories, it might be possible to >> achieve something like that by the simple addition of a collection >> of symlink

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

Weaver wrote: There is nothing `unfriendly' concerning the filesystem heirarchy. What negative experiences have you had with it, so far, that inclines you to this point of view? I too find the old-fashioned Unix common folder names and filesystem organization to be unfriendly, inconvenient, a

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> As such, the greater concerns with a programming language are making it > easy to express your algorithm, and easy to understand existing code. > Conciseness gives a much smaller benefit, and is not prized nearly as > highly, except among bored kids. Yes, every approach has its pros and cons: it

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

Written by The Wanderer > Well, if all you want is to be able to have more "newbie-friendly" > descriptive names of the directories, it might be possible to achieve > something like that by the simple addition of a collection of symlinks; > just symlink e.g. "/Configuration" to '/etc', '/Programs'

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 10:50, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > If I recall correctly, that is done as follows: > > Open a Gmail compose window > > -> click the "more" (3 vertical dots) icon in the bottom toolbar > > -> click on "plain text mode" until a tick-mark appears beside it. > > I believe

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 02:56:16AM +0300, IL Ka wrote: > They also had small CRTs and slow dot matrix printers. > > Every single letter matters: open() has "O_CREAT" flag, not o_create. But: Ken Thompson was once asked what he would do differently if he were redesigning the UNIX system. His

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

On 2021-03-10 at 16:04, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 10 mar 21, 15:26:41, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: >> Thanks for your encouragement. I hope someday it becomes real, and >> only with the installation of one meta-package. > > Based on Debian's experience with usr-merge I'm guessing it's *much

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> > > [ I think even back in the early days of time-sharing, connections were > faster than 50bit/s. ] > [quote] Joy explained that the terse, single character commands and the ability to type ahead of the display were a result of the slow 300 baud modem he used when developing the software and

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> If I recall correctly, that is done as follows: > > Open a Gmail compose window > -> click the "more" (3 vertical dots) icon in the bottom toolbar > -> click on "plain text mode" until a tick-mark appears beside it. > > I believe that setting then applies to all future messages, until turned off.

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> The Unix-Haters Handbook has the following theory: > > , > | Those of us who used early 70s I/O devices suspect the degeneracy stems > | from the speed, reliability, and, most importantly, the keyboard of the > | ASR-33 Teletype, the common input/output device in those days. Unlike > | today’

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> Here's one source of breakage I encountered a few times because of this > /usr merge (which I generally welcome, BTW): > > dpkg -S =foo > > this (using the Zsh shell) should give me the name of the Debian package > which provides the command `foo`. It works well for most commands, but > it f

Using Gmail on Debian mailing lists [was Re: Plasma can be a lightweight]

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 10:04, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z composed on 2021-03-10 14:59 (UTC-0400): > > > I'm new to mailing lists. I didn't now you could link threads (it is > > > threads, right?). > > I really have no idea what this question is about. > I mean, change

Network connection of a qemu guest.

Hi again, https://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking and http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/QEMU/Networking refer to qemu options -net, -netdev and -device whereas the manual for qemu 1:3.1+dfsg-8+deb10u8 describes -nic as current. For an virtual NE 2000 NIC this is my trial configuration. qemu-

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> > I like to know at hand what file is on which disk. > > That used to work for A: vs C: back in the days of floppys, but what > part of "E:" tells you which disk it is? At best you get to assume that > E: and D: are different disks, but the names don't tell you which is which. > > > Even though,

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

>> [ I think even back in the early days of time-sharing, connections were >>faster than 50bit/s. ] > Common teletype Baud rates were 45.5 and 110. 45.5 was used primarily for > radio transmission and 110 for landline - both using a modem. 110bit/s is indeed the number I remember as "the slow

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> PS: And of course, if you want something better you may want to > challenge some of the assumptions as well, such as the fact that it > needs to be a hierarchy. Thanks, I did not realized that possibility. There are tags too made to identify files or directories in a non-hierarchical manner. Fo

Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems}

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 04:26:06AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/10/2021 03:45 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Ma, 09 mar 21, 14:35:54, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > On 03/09/2021 07:00 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > On Ma, 09 mar 21, 06:32:33, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > On 03/08/2021

Re: Plasma can be a lightweight

> Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z composed on 2021-03-10 14:59 (UTC-0400): > > > I'm new to mailing lists. I didn't now you could link threads (it is > > threads, right?). > > I really have no idea what this question is about. I mean, change the subject of the message for a specific conversation. But the ema

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 08:31, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > You are sending both HTML and plain text, so those of us who dislike > > the HTML can simply read the plain text. > Sorry, I hope it doesn't cause too much problems. > I don't know how to change that behaviour. If I recall correctly,

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> I just read this: > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/ > It seems as a good idea that merge of /usr. > I was wondering what would happen if some program used filesystem paths > as its input data for some processing task. He he, yes, changing status quo > is

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

On 2021-03-10 17:13 -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I think all these shortened names derive from a time when computing >> resources were limited. If you're using an 80x25 terminal over at 50 >> bits per second to a time-shared mainframe, it's more comfortable to >> type "/usr" than it is to type

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

On 11/3/21 6:13 am, Stefan Monnier wrote: [ I think even back in the early days of time-sharing, connections were faster than 50bit/s. ] Common teletype Baud rates were 45.5 and 110. 45.5 was used primarily for radio transmission and 110 for landline - both using a modem. When I starte

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> I like to know at hand what file is on which disk. That used to work for A: vs C: back in the days of floppys, but what part of "E:" tells you which disk it is? At best you get to assume that E: and D: are different disks, but the names don't tell you which is which. > Even though, it would no

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> While I was making my research before installing Debian > I saw that the filesystem hierarchy is not so friendly > (I'm new to GNU/Linux operating systems). "Not friendly" indicates that you see a problem with it, but doesn't really say what problem it was and even less how to fix it. I persona

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> I think all these shortened names derive from a time when computing > resources were limited. If you're using an 80x25 terminal over at 50 > bits per second to a time-shared mainframe, it's more comfortable to > type "/usr" than it is to type "/Programs". Easier to type "cp" than to > type "copy"

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> Cant you just upgrade the RAM? My Intel Atom N550 netbook supports 2GB - That's good advice: check whether your machine has the RAM soldered on or has an SODIMM: it might be easy&cheap to find a pair of old 1GB SODIMMs to replace the likely pair of 512KB SODIMMs you have. [ In my case, when I h

Re: Plasma can be a lightweight

Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z composed on 2021-03-10 14:59 (UTC-0400): > I'm new to mailing lists. I didn't now you could link threads (it is > threads, right?). I really have no idea what this question is about. > Then, let

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> You are sending both HTML and plain text, so those of us who dislike > the HTML can simply read the plain text. Sorry, I hope it doesn't cause too much problems. I don't know how to change that behaviour.

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> Joe wrote: > > There was a time when 'software' and 'applications' were two different > > and distinct things, when applications were user programs and software > > was the set of programs that made the computer work, today called system > > software. A computer as delivered contained both hardwa

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

On Mi, 10 mar 21, 16:55:39, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > Sorry, I wasn't clear: first Buster then Bullseye. That way I will stay on > Bullseye > when it becomes "stable". I think it will happen soon, won't it? It's a few months away, which in Debian's timeline is indeed soon ;) Kind regards, A

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:06:18 -0400 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > only that i wish people would stop posting HTML. > > Sorry, I don't know if I'm posting on HTML, gmail does everything > automatically > and doesn't let me set the messages to be sent as plain text. You are sending both HTML

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

Joe wrote: > There was a time when 'software' and 'applications' were two different > and distinct things, when applications were user programs and software > was the set of programs that made the computer work, today called system > software. A computer as delivered contained both hardware and so

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

On Mi, 10 mar 21, 15:26:41, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > You're not only allowed to think that, you're allowed to get > > people together and do it. > > > > All the code in Debian proper has free licenses, and you're > > welcome to create a Debian derivation that conforms to your idea > > of what

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 16:19:42 -0400 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > if you want to see an example of what it takes to > > make changes to this sort of layout google "Debian > > merged /usr" and read those threads. :) > > I just read this: > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Th

Re: OT: Footnotes in email (Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

On Mi, 10 mar 21, 11:30:01, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I've never heard of an E-mail client that supports automating this, and > > I'm not entirely sure I'd want it automated, although a "did you forget > > to finish this?" reminder such as my Thunderbird configuration provides > > when I type a wor

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

> Be aware that although testing has less churn than unstable, that also means that when a bug does creep through, it may take a week or two to see the next release of the software, whereas unstable might see the fix come in later that same day. > > It's a trade-off. Sorry, I wasn't clear: first B

Re: OT: Footnotes in email (Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

On Mi, 10 mar 21, 11:07:49, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-03-10 at 11:00, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > I see that you and a few other people use what I'll call footnotes in > > your emails, e.g. (with lots of things stripped out): > > > > I'm curious how you do that, or more specifically, ar

Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems}

On Mi, 10 mar 21, 08:49:06, Richard Owlett wrote: > > Looking at /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian prompts me to ask: > "What logs might be created when attempting to run a netinst.iso?" The Debian Installation Guide should have more information on the Installer's logs and where they are to

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > if you want to see an example of what it takes to > > make changes to this sort of layout google "Debian > > merged /usr" and read those threads. :) > > I just read this: > https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/ > It seems as a g

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> if you want to see an example of what it takes to > make changes to this sort of layout google "Debian > merged /usr" and read those threads. :) I just read this: https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/TheCaseForTheUsrMerge/ It seems as a good idea that merge of /usr. I was wonderi

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 1:42 PM Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > Thanks. I think I would rather prefer non-free software as a second > option. > > Since I'm new to this, I would prefer to go the safe way: first Debian > 10, then testing. > > Be aware that although testing has less churn than unsta

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

> To my knowledge, there is a Bulleye installer available here: > https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ > It is still a test version, but you have good chances that it will work > just fine. As described before, "testing" in Debian does not mean > "unstable". With some bad luck for you, yo

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> It is more than looks. In Unix filesystems disks/volumes/partitions are > "mounted" into the main file system at some arbitrary "mount point" and > thus the filesystem encompasses all mounted devices. With DOS, all > lettered disks are independent, though resources can be referenced > across di

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> You're not only allowed to think that, you're allowed to get > people together and do it. > > All the code in Debian proper has free licenses, and you're > welcome to create a Debian derivation that conforms to your idea > of what is proper. > > It's going to be a lot of work, though. You should

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

On 10.03.21 19:28, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: (...) I don't think there is a Debian DVD iso I can use to install Debian Bullseye. I think I'll have to install Buster and then switch to Bullseye. Is there a better option? To my knowledge, there is a Bulleye installer available here: https://www

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> Of course, you can manually download Firefox from the official Website and use it on a older system. It will probably work for a few years until Firefox needs a lib which the old Version does not have. > > But using the version of Firefox from Debian is much more comfortable, as it simply just wo

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

> only that i wish people would stop posting HTML. Sorry, I don't know if I'm posting on HTML, gmail does everything automatically and doesn't let me set the messages to be sent as plain text.

Re: Plasma can be a lightweight (was: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10; and was also: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?)

On 10/03/2021 07:23, "Felix Miata" wrote: > > Felix Miata composed on 2021-03-10 05:33 (UTC-0500): > > > Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z composed on 2021-03-09 19:00 (UTC-0400): > > >> I have been reading throughout the Web > >> that Xfce4 is not so lightweight as it was before. > >> Apparently, its performan

xfce and hddtemp on Bullseye annoyance

The Powers That Be have announced that hddtemp is unmaintained, and indicated a preference for using the kernel module drivetemp, and that while it is in Bullseye, will not be in Bookworm. So I have removed hddtemp from my Bullseye test installation. However, XFCE expects to find it, and complains

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

> I recommend to use "testing" (currently Bullseye) on an individual Laptop/Desktop Computer, and leave "stable" for server or cooperate end user installations. Usually "testing" is very stable concerning reliability for the every day interactive work and during the frequent upgrades (which you sho

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

> If you have the drive-space for it, install it, along with something lighter like Cinnamon or LXQt. > > Then all it takes to switch between the alternatives is to log out, find the settings icon on your login manager, select your alternative, and log back in. > > If KDE proves to be too sluggish,

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

* On 2021 10 Mar 12:02 -0600, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > I think all these shortened names derive from a time when computing > > resources were limited. If you're using an 80x25 terminal over at 50 > > bits per second to a time-shared mainframe, it's more comfortable to > > type "/usr" than it

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

> Debian bullseye (soon to be Debian 11) is already in the "freeze" stage. > > It should be quite reliable in daily usage though you are still going to > see (small) updates to many packages. > > Official security support is not started yet, but security relevant > updates should be prioritised whe

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

Le 10/03/2021 à 04:08, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z a écrit : > > Hello. > > While I was making my research before installing Debian > I saw that the filesystem hierarchy is not so friendly > (I'm new to GNU/Linux operating systems). > I saw there was a distribution called GoboLinux which > addressed that i

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > But why do we have to use a system designed for such old computers > when the now old computers are much more capable than that. > I think it needs a redesign. You're not only allowed to think that, you're allowed to get people together and do it. All the code in Deb

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

Am 10.03.21 um 01:18 schrieb Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z: Well, I could try to wait a little with Debian 9 as I did with Windows 7. That thing of no software updates is very weird. Windows 7 is many years old yet I can still use the latest version of Firefox. Isn't there a way to update user programs

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> Think of it as a vocabulary shift when moving from one section of the country to another. I felt I had to learn a new language when moving from very urban New York to rural Missouri. You get used to it ;} Yes, it is my only option for now. Well, thank you all for your help. Have a good day ev

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> As above, there's no inherent reason this naming convention *couldn't* > be changed, but doing so would be a vast and invasive thing, which would > probably break at least a few things that one might not notice. Doing it > at all would basically require you to design the entire distribution > aro

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

> I think all these shortened names derive from a time when computing > resources were limited. If you're using an 80x25 terminal over at 50 > bits per second to a time-shared mainframe, it's more comfortable to > type "/usr" than it is to type "/Programs". Easier to type "cp" than to > type "copy"

Re: Multipart HTML emails (was: Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:06:59 AM songbird wrote: >> Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: >> > PS: If I'm not using the mailing list properly, let me know, >> > I never used any before. >> >> only that i wish people would stop posting HTML. > > I don't like HTML in email

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

On 03/10/2021 09:01 AM, songbird wrote: Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: ... Well, yes, as I said, my problem is quite trivial. I was just thinking it could be a little improvement. understand the complexity involved of managing 51,000 packages already established procedures and tools set up to w

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

On 03/10/2021 09:06 AM, songbird wrote: Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: ... [snip] my preference with that little memory would be to install a lightweight desktop (i use MATE and that works fine for my purposes). I originally used Gnome2 because it was available and tolerated/assumed my WinX

Re: OT: Footnotes in email (Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

> I've never heard of an E-mail client that supports automating this, and > I'm not entirely sure I'd want it automated, although a "did you forget > to finish this?" reminder such as my Thunderbird configuration provides > when I type a word like "attach" but don't include an attachment might > be

Multipart HTML emails (was: Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

Songbird and all, On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:06:59 AM songbird wrote: > Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > PS: If I'm not using the mailing list properly, let me know, > > I never used any before. > > only that i wish people would stop posting HTML. I don't like HTML in emails, but I don't mi

Re: OT: Footnotes in email (Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

On 2021-03-10 at 11:00, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Andrei POPESCU and all: > > I see that you and a few other people use what I'll call footnotes in > your emails, e.g. (with lots of things stripped out): > > On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 09:08:30 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> Packages from backpo

OT: Footnotes in email (Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10)

Andrei POPESCU and all: I see that you and a few other people use what I'll call footnotes in your emails, e.g. (with lots of things stripped out): On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 09:08:30 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > Packages from backports are generally good enough to run even on > "important" syst

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: ... > Well, yes, as I said, my problem is quite trivial. > I was just thinking it could be a little improvement. understand the complexity involved of managing 51,000 packages already established procedures and tools set up to work with things as they currently are.

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: ... > Hello. > > I'm new to GNU/Linux systems. I would like to know > why the RAM requirements showed here: > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch03s04.en.html > are double the size of those displayed here: > https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch03s

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

On 10.03.21 13:51, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: (...) My last doubt is if should use Debian 10 with KDE Plasma or Debian Bullseye instead. I recommend to use "testing" (currently Bullseye) on an individual Laptop/Desktop Computer, and leave "stable" for server or cooperate end user installation

Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems}

On 03/10/2021 07:29 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 10 mar 21, 04:26:06, Richard Owlett wrote: On 03/10/2021 03:45 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: The boot process has three major stages. 1. POST: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-on_self-test 2. Bootloader (grub, etc.) 3. Operating System (in t

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 9:34 PM Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > Hello. > > I would like to install Debian 10 with the KDE Plasma task > on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 @ 2.33 GHz, > it doesn't have a GPU. > Do you think it would run without problems > or would it be slow and laggy

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

* On 2021 10 Mar 07:20 -0600, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > i wouldn't bother. really it is just a huge waste of time > > for no real gain. > > > > the problem is that you are new to linux/unix type system > > and so you don't understand the history or layout as it is. > > > > learn what is

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

On Mi, 10 mar 21, 08:51:33, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > My last doubt is if should use Debian 10 with KDE Plasma or Debian Bullseye > instead. > Apparently, only the newer versions of KDE Plasma have the performance > boost. Debian bullseye (soon to be Debian 11) is already in the "freeze" sta

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

On Ma, 09 mar 21, 20:18:52, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > Sorry, I wasn't very clear there. You are correct that 9 is still > > getting support, especially security updates. However, older versions > > of Debian don't get newer versions of the software. Not all security > > fixes can be backported

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

On Ma, 09 mar 21, 20:00:15, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > > I'd start with Debian 10 and LXDE or LxQt: > > https://opensource.com/article/19/12/lxqt-lxde-linux-desktop > > > > and switch to the Debian 9 only if they work really slow. > > Sounds reasonable, but I would prefer to not download > 4

Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems}

On Mi, 10 mar 21, 04:26:06, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/10/2021 03:45 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > The boot process has three major stages. > > > > 1. POST: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-on_self-test > > 2. Bootloader (grub, etc.) > > 3. Operating System (in this case Debian) > > >

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