Re: PC wont boot to GUI

2020-10-26 Thread David
On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 at 12:03, John Figie wrote: > I am not sure what to do next. > I have 2 identical older MBs Asus M5A 78L-M LX. Hi John, I have a couple of these. > decided to install Debian 10 ok. > drm: radeon_pci_probe ERROR radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or later > requires firmw

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-26 Thread Carl Fink
On 10/26/20 6:16 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 20:45:50 -0400 Carl Fink wrote: On 10/25/20 8:28 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: I'm not referring to viewing HTML emails. I already can do that in Claws-Mail using its Dillo plugin. I'm talking about filling in forms, etc. that are par

PC wont boot to GUI

2020-10-26 Thread John Figie
Hi, I am not sure what to do next. I have 2 identical older MBs Asus M5A 78L-M LX. Each has an AMC Sempron 145 processor. I have been running one of these for the last 5 years with Debian 8 and it seems to work fine. I recently assembled the second MB and decided to install Debian 10 using a USB d

Re: The .xsession-errors problem

2020-10-26 Thread David
On Tue, 27 Oct 2020 at 10:56, David Wright wrote: > fuser -v "$j" > [ $? -ne 0 ] && gzip "$j" && mv -i "$j.gz" "$HOME/.monitors/xsession/" [...] > (Script improvements always appreciated.) Hi, you might be interested in the info below : my test script: """ #!/bin/sh [ $? -ne 0 ] &

Re: The .xsession-errors problem

2020-10-26 Thread David Wright
On Mon 26 Oct 2020 at 18:35:45 (+0200), Teemu Likonen wrote: > It seems that ~/.xsession-errors file can still grow to infinity in > size. Sometimes it grows really fast. This is nothing new: we have all > seen it and talked about it. What do you do to maintain this file? > > - Do you just delet

Re: Please be respectful

2020-10-26 Thread Leslie Rhorer
On 10/26/2020 6:15 PM, Long Wind wrote: On Saturday, October 24, 2020, 6:35:17 AM EDT, Leslie Rhorer wrote:   “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke     In my opinion, the *LAST* thing one should do is keep quiet. rude user wo

Re: The .xsession-errors problem

2020-10-26 Thread John Hasler
Tixy writes: > I guess as I never hibernate my laptop and turn it off every day, it > never gets to an annoying size. I haven't rebooted my desktop for three months. ls -l .xsession-errors shows 468223. I consider that trivial and ignore it. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Please be respectful

2020-10-26 Thread Leslie Rhorer
On 10/24/2020 3:11 PM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: Leslie, You clearly have a great deal to say about your personal morals and ethics Not really, no. Certainly not by comparison to the volume of my daily work. "A great deal to say" would encompass volumes. I tyed a fe lines. and you do no

Re: Please be respectful

2020-10-26 Thread Long Wind
On Saturday, October 24, 2020, 6:35:17 AM EDT, Leslie Rhorer wrote:   “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke     In my opinion, the *LAST* thing one should do is keep quiet. rude user won't be victorious, list moderator can easily

Re: Please be respectful

2020-10-26 Thread Leslie Rhorer
On 10/26/2020 7:59 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: I'm quite certain at least part of this huge discussion is caused by misunderstandings. That is fairly clear. This is my attempt to clarify at least some of it. Apparently I failed. Well, in my case I don't think I failed to underst

Re: The .xsession-errors problem

2020-10-26 Thread Tixy
On Mon, 2020-10-26 at 18:35 +0200, Teemu Likonen wrote: > It seems that ~/.xsession-errors file can still grow to infinity in > size. Sometimes it grows really fast. This is nothing new: we have all > seen it and talked about it. What do you do to maintain this file? Don't do anything here. The fi

Re: Please be respectful

2020-10-26 Thread Leslie Rhorer
On 10/26/2020 8:50 AM, Joe wrote: It's all a bit subjective. As I understand things, a stranger deserves It is entirely subjective. Whatever is or is not polite is not only a matter of perspective, it is also a matter of the situation and the relationships of the people involved. When I s

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-26 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 21:57:07 -0400 Dan Ritter wrote: > Carl Fink wrote: > > On 10/25/20 9:17 PM, John Hasler wrote: > > > Carl writes: > > > > I don't remember ever getting an emailed form that was anything > > > > but a link to a web page. > > > I think that may be what he means. > > >

Re: Raid 1 borked

2020-10-26 Thread Leslie Rhorer
On 10/26/2020 7:55 AM, Bill wrote: Hi folks, So we're setting up a small server with a pair of 1 TB hard disks sectioned into 5x100GB Raid 1 partition pairs for data,  with 400GB+ reserved for future uses on each disk. Oh, also, why are you leaving so much unused space on the drives? On

Re: Raid 1 borked

2020-10-26 Thread Leslie Rhorer
This might be better handled on linux-r...@vger.kernel.org On 10/26/2020 10:35 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Bill wrote: So we're setting up a small server with a pair of 1 TB hard disks sectioned into 5x100GB Raid 1 partition pairs for data, with 400GB+ reserved for future uses on each disk.

What's going on with snapd?

2020-10-26 Thread Brian Vaughan
Recently I wanted to try out an open source game that was being distributed as a snap package, so I tried installing snapd. It apparently installed successfully, and I could apparently install snap packages, but I couldn't execute them. Long story short, I eventually made my way to bugs.debian.

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-26 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Sun, 25 Oct 2020 20:45:50 -0400 Carl Fink wrote: > On 10/25/20 8:28 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > I'm not referring to viewing HTML emails. I already can do that in > > Claws-Mail using its Dillo plugin. I'm talking about filling in > > forms, etc. that are part of the HTML email and sending j

Re: Raid 1 borked

2020-10-26 Thread Mark Neyhart
On 10/26/20 4:55 AM, Bill wrote: > lsblk reveals sda and sdb with sda[1-5] and sdb[1-5] but no md[0-5]. > blkid reveals that sda[1-5] and sdb[1-5] are still listed as > TYPE="linux_raid_member". > > So first of all I'd like to be able to diagnose what's going on. What > commands should I use for

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-26 Thread David Wright
On Mon 26 Oct 2020 at 20:48:26 (+), Joe wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 10:10:10 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 01:49:05PM +, Curt wrote: > > > On 2020-10-26, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:38:36PM +0100, Michael wrote: > > > >> he is talk

Re: Problem unplugging a USB drive

2020-10-26 Thread Mick Ab
The automatic mount and unmount were performed by the USB mount system. The stick was newish and hasn't been previously written to. The stick's filesystem is FAT32, in common with most USB sticks. The auto mount command included the -tvfat option. I got the message that you frequently see, so i

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 08:48:26PM +, Joe wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 10:10:10 -0400 > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > But if you're just reading this form in a FILE on your LOCAL MACHINE, > > which is what email is, then what is /action_page.php supposed to do? > > > > And if the full URL is pres

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-26 Thread Joe
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 10:10:10 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 01:49:05PM +, Curt wrote: > > On 2020-10-26, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:38:36PM +0100, Michael wrote: > > >> he is talking about filling in forms, etc. that are part of the > > >>

Re: Problem unplugging a USB drive

2020-10-26 Thread David Wright
On Mon 26 Oct 2020 at 17:09:17 (+), Mick Ab wrote: > > > > > […] the messages revealed that just before > > > > > the stick was unplugged, the kernel suddenly found the stick and > > > > > automatically mounted it to /media/usb0. > Why did the kernel automatically mount the stick ? >From the

Re: Problem unplugging a USB drive

2020-10-26 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Why did the kernel automatically mount the stick ? FWIW, I'm pretty sure the kernel didn't: the only partition mounted directly by the kernel is the root partition when booting. After that, partitions are only booted upon explicit request from some program (could be something part of udev or sy

Re: Re: aptitude safe-upgrade vs apt-get upgrade.

2020-10-26 Thread R. Ramesh
So, if you don't pin down the priority of deb-multimedia, virtually every audio- and video-related package on your system will be replaced with the deb-multimedia version, which for the sake of stability is very likely a bad idea. So it is safer to lower the priority of deb-multimedia and that of

Re: The .xsession-errors problem

2020-10-26 Thread Linux-Fan
Teemu Likonen writes: It seems that ~/.xsession-errors file can still grow to infinity in size. Sometimes it grows really fast. This is nothing new: we have all seen it and talked about it. What do you do to maintain this file? Until now, I had not seen it as a problem. But it is quite large h

Re: The .xsession-errors problem

2020-10-26 Thread Teemu Likonen
* 2020-10-26 18:12:43+01, Sven Joachim wrote: > If you have a good idea how to fix that, please send it to bug > #287876[1] or one of its siblings. > 1. https://bugs.debian.org/287876 There are already ideas and even patches in the bug report. For example a logrotate patch was sent in 2005-02-27

Re: aptitude safe-upgrade vs apt-get upgrade.

2020-10-26 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 11:58:18 -0500 "R. Ramesh" wrote: (...) > I have these exact lines in my sources.list also. I thought we have > backports so that we can get the newer version of packages. For > example, buster multimedia has mythtv 0.30 and backports has mythtv > 0.31 (the last time I

Re: Raid 1 borked

2020-10-26 Thread R. Ramesh
Hi folks, So we're setting up a small server with a pair of 1 TB hard diskssectioned into 5x100GB Raid 1 partition pairs for data, with 400GB+reserved for future uses on each disk.I'm not sure what happened, we had the five pairs of disk partitions setup properly through the installer without

Re: Re: aptitude safe-upgrade vs apt-get upgrade.

2020-10-26 Thread R. Ramesh
To resolve this, you might consider to create a file like e.g. /etc/apt/preferences.d/multimedia . Here the content of that file looks like: Package: * Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,n=buster Pin-Priority: 332 Package: * Pin: release o=Unofficial Multimedia Packages,n=buster-back

Re: The .xsession-errors problem

2020-10-26 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2020-10-26 18:35 +0200, Teemu Likonen wrote: > It seems that ~/.xsession-errors file can still grow to infinity in > size. Sometimes it grows really fast. This is nothing new: we have all > seen it and talked about it. What do you do to maintain this file? > > - Do you just delete it when you

Re: Problem unplugging a USB drive

2020-10-26 Thread Mick Ab
Why did the kernel automatically mount the stick ? Usually mounts have to be made manually for this port. On 26 Oct 2020 15:24, "David Wright" wrote: > On Mon 26 Oct 2020 at 13:56:36 (+), Curt wrote: > > On 2020-10-26, Joe wrote: > > > > > > When you say 'just before', are you talking milli

Re: The .xsession-errors problem

2020-10-26 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 06:35:45PM +0200, Teemu Likonen wrote: > It seems that ~/.xsession-errors file can still grow to infinity in > size. Sometimes it grows really fast. This is nothing new: we have all > seen it and talked about it. What do you do to maintain this file? > > - Do

The .xsession-errors problem

2020-10-26 Thread Teemu Likonen
It seems that ~/.xsession-errors file can still grow to infinity in size. Sometimes it grows really fast. This is nothing new: we have all seen it and talked about it. What do you do to maintain this file? - Do you just delete it when you happen to notice it's too big? - Do you configure some

Re: Raid 1 borked

2020-10-26 Thread Dan Ritter
Bill wrote: > So we're setting up a small server with a pair of 1 TB hard disks sectioned > into 5x100GB Raid 1 partition pairs for data, with 400GB+ reserved for > future uses on each disk. That's weird, but I expect you have a reason for it. > I'm not sure what happened, we had the five pairs

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-26 Thread Curt
On 2020-10-26, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: > On Mon, 26 Oct 2020, at 13:49, Curt wrote: >> On 2020-10-26, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> > But what would the form's Submit action be? > >> HTML Forms >> >> > > ... which works fine when someone is browsing a page served by some > website's own server... as

Re: Problem unplugging a USB drive

2020-10-26 Thread David Wright
On Mon 26 Oct 2020 at 13:56:36 (+), Curt wrote: > On 2020-10-26, Joe wrote: > > > > When you say 'just before', are you talking milliseconds or minutes? > > > > USB 'plugs' are appalling, and I've known sticks to be unrecognised, but > > found after wiggling the device slightly. > > > > I hav

Raid 1 borked

2020-10-26 Thread Bill
Hi folks, So we're setting up a small server with a pair of 1 TB hard disks sectioned into 5x100GB Raid 1 partition pairs for data, with 400GB+ reserved for future uses on each disk. I'm not sure what happened, we had the five pairs of disk partitions set up properly through the installer w

Re: aptitude safe-upgrade vs apt-get upgrade.

2020-10-26 Thread John Hasler
Andrei writes: > dpkg does its own dependency checking, in addition to APT (the > software, not the command), and will prevent any inconsistencies > unless you use one of the --force switches. What it does not do is resolve dependencies. Apt recursively resolves dependencies, installing them as r

Re: Please be respectful

2020-10-26 Thread ellanios82
> wrestling with a pig gains you nothing but a layer of mud, and amuses the pig .  old song : "PIG GOT UP AND SLOWLY WALKED AWAY, THE (Music: F W Bowers / Lyrics: Benjamin Hapgood Burt) Frank Crumit - 1934 Johnny Bond - 1966 Jim Croce - 1975 Also recorded by: Sam Hinton; Rudy Valle

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-26 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020, at 13:49, Curt wrote: > On 2020-10-26, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > But what would the form's Submit action be? > HTML Forms > > ... which works fine when someone is browsing a page served by some website's own server... as that partial URL points to a php file which is part

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-26 Thread Linux-Fan
Greg Wooledge writes: On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 01:49:05PM +, Curt wrote: > On 2020-10-26, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:38:36PM +0100, Michael wrote: > >> he is talking about filling in forms, etc. that are part of the html email. > >> guys, ever heard of the ... html

Re: Problem unplugging a USB drive

2020-10-26 Thread Curt
On 2020-10-26, Joe wrote: > > When you say 'just before', are you talking milliseconds or minutes? > > USB 'plugs' are appalling, and I've known sticks to be unrecognised, but > found after wiggling the device slightly. > I have a USB port like that; it's fickle. But I only actually realized or p

Re: aptitude safe-upgrade vs apt-get upgrade.

2020-10-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 25 oct 20, 21:00:03, Joe wrote: > > Synaptic, the GUI tool, is a front end to apt-get. All the apt tools > are a front end to dpkg, which does all the work but does no dependency > checking and is therefore not safe to be used directly. dpkg does its own dependency checking, in addition to

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 01:49:05PM +, Curt wrote: > On 2020-10-26, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:38:36PM +0100, Michael wrote: > >> he is talking about filling in forms, etc. that are part of the html email. > >> guys, ever heard of the ... html tags? that's what he means

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-26 Thread Curt
On 2020-10-26, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:38:36PM +0100, Michael wrote: >> he is talking about filling in forms, etc. that are part of the html email. >> guys, ever heard of the ... html tags? that's what he means. > > But what would the form's Submit action be? HTML F

Re: Please be respectful

2020-10-26 Thread Joe
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 14:59:16 +0200 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 24 oct 20, 03:46:20, Leslie Rhorer wrote: > > > > On 10/17/2020 1:59 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > > This could be understood that in your opinion it is ok to be rude > > > to a person unless that person has somehow earne

Re: Please be respectful

2020-10-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 24 oct 20, 03:46:20, Leslie Rhorer wrote: > > On 10/17/2020 1:59 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > This could be understood that in your opinion it is ok to be rude to a > > person unless that person has somehow earned your respect. > > > > Is this what you meant? > > It is neither

Re: Problem unplugging a USB drive

2020-10-26 Thread Joe
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 12:08:11 + Mick Ab wrote: > A USB memory stick has been plugged into a USB 3 port for quite a few > days. The stick was left there after it was discovered that the > kernel does not recognise it (e.g. fdisk - l does not show the stick). > > It was decided to unplug the st

Problem unplugging a USB drive

2020-10-26 Thread Mick Ab
A USB memory stick has been plugged into a USB 3 port for quite a few days. The stick was left there after it was discovered that the kernel does not recognise it (e.g. fdisk - l does not show the stick). It was decided to unplug the stick. Subsequently the command cat /var/log/messages was run a

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-26 Thread Michael
hey, On Monday, October 26, 2020 12:57:18 PM CET, Greg Wooledge wrote: But what would the form's Submit action be? no idea. and i don't care. ask him... i am not defending his desire using forms in an email client, i am just trying to translate what i think he wants. but to answer your ques

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:38:36PM +0100, Michael wrote: > he is talking about filling in forms, etc. that are part of the html email. > guys, ever heard of the ... html tags? that's what he means. But what would the form's Submit action be?

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-26 Thread Michael
hey, On Monday, October 26, 2020 2:57:07 AM CET, Dan Ritter wrote: Carl Fink wrote: I think we are all confused and the original questioner needs to provide an example of the very strange email that they want to work with. really? i think it's pretty clear what he wants: On Monday, October

Re: Replacement Email Client

2020-10-26 Thread tomas
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 05:07:05PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: [...] > [...] One cannot interact and transmit data as I need to. I think this is the core of the problem. Up to now you haven't taken up the job to specify what that means: in the context of the Web, this covers a broad field: -