Re: Cannot get systemd to forget about swap space on a failed disk

2020-06-29 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:10:44PM -0700, Bob McGowan wrote: > But I cannot figure out where this might be, or even if this is the correct > interpretation. Check out the contents of /etc/systemd/system first. Rebuild initramfs second. Reco

Re: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you

2020-06-29 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, mailer-dae...@bendel.debian.org wrote: > > 1 bounce out of 52 mails in one day (1%, kick-score is 80%) > > https://lists.debian.org/bounces/DfQQD6yynoZ7C1ObT3w5EQ > > [...] > > Bounces happen from time to time when spam slips through our > > filters but are rejected by your mail provider. On

Cannot get systemd to forget about swap space on a failed disk

2020-06-29 Thread Bob McGowan
Please see thread with subject "Be careful when editing /etc/fstab" for a bit of background. My computer had two swap partitions, on two different disks, when one of them started to generate CRC errors, seek errors, etc. Once I determined which of the two it was, I commented out the /etc/fst

Re: Systemd user environment variables not picked up for me

2020-06-29 Thread l0f4r0
Hi, 29 juin 2020 à 17:52 de wool...@eeg.ccf.org: > The holy grail, for me, would have been a way to specify environment > variables that are applied to all user logins, whether by console login, > or ssh, or Display Manager, independent of the user's login shell. > And those variables must includ

Re: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you

2020-06-29 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 29 iun 20, 23:58:18, Doug wrote: > > > On 6/29/2020 11:48 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Ma, 30 iun 20, 08:28:42, Abhishek Dixit wrote: > > > What should I do for bounce messages? > > > > On Gmail (and most of the other "big" provideres) there is possibly > > nothing you can do. > > >

Re: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you

2020-06-29 Thread Doug
On 6/29/2020 11:48 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Ma, 30 iun 20, 08:28:42, Abhishek Dixit wrote: What should I do for bounce messages? On Gmail (and most of the other "big" provideres) there is possibly nothing you can do. It might help to move any messages from Debian lists out of Spam, eve

Re: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you

2020-06-29 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 30 iun 20, 08:28:42, Abhishek Dixit wrote: > What should I do for bounce messages? On Gmail (and most of the other "big" provideres) there is possibly nothing you can do. It might help to move any messages from Debian lists out of Spam, even if it is spam. Kind regards, Andrei -- http:

Re: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you

2020-06-29 Thread Abhishek Dixit
What should I do for bounce messages? On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 2:15 PM Debian Listmaster Team < listmas...@lists.debian.org> wrote: > Dear subscriber, > > We've encountered some problems while sending listmail to your > emailaddress abhidixi...@gmail.com. > > In the last seven days we've seen boun

Re: update-alternatives - was [Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment]

2020-06-29 Thread David
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 22:16, Richard Owlett wrote: > I'm looking for something that aims to answer "What can > update-alternatives do for me today?". IOW the manpage gives fine > details but no sense of perspective. Have a read of this page [1] about half-way down under the heading: "DEBIAN SPE

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Dan Ritter
Miles Fidelman wrote: > On 6/29/20 9:10 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > Miles Fidelman wrote: > Now who's being pedantic? Precisely. > And isn't this exactly what I said??? mdadm is an admin program, it doesn't > perform the raid function. And it's OK to refer to the whole thing as an mdadm RAID.

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-06-29 10:40, echo test wrote: > On 2020-06-28 18:58, David Christensen wrote: ZFS requires a different way of thinking, At what level do we have to change our mind? Thus far, I have had to re-think operations, maintenance, and disaster recovery. As I develop software, I must re-t

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Miles Fidelman
Actually, he seems to be designing a central database to support 2000 retail restaurants. And based on most recent posts, seems to be pre-startup designing a product. My sense is that what he really needs is somebody on the team who understands distributed enterprise architectures. Miles O

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 6/29/20 9:10 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Just to be clear... mdadm is NOT raid - it's an admin program for managing linux raid (md) devices.?? And then you need to worry about LVM (logical volume manager), and a network file system on top of them. Just to be clear, you are b

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 19:28:12 +0300 Reco wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 12:15:22PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:58:18 +0300 > > Reco wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:51:52AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > > > I'm curious, although I don't know m

Re: Systemd user environment variables not picked up for me

2020-06-29 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:37:49PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > So far I've settled to the snippet below in *both* ~/.profile and > ~/.xsessionrc (inspired by a similar snippet in /etc/profile): > > > if [ -d "$HOME"/.config/environment.d ]; then > for i in "$HOME"/.config/environment.d/*.sh

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread David Christensen
debian-user: I sent the following to the OP rather than the list by mistake... David On 2020-06-28 03:34, echo test wrote: ... about 2000 users all are restaurants that save their selling history locally on their own server then 2 or 3 times in the morning they will rsync their postgres da

Re: Systemd user environment variables not picked up for me

2020-06-29 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 29 iun 20, 11:52:45, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 05:19:49PM +0200, l0f...@tuta.io wrote: > > I'm not sure to understand what you want to achieve exactly, but aren't you > > supposed to use pam_env for setting/unsetting your environment variables? > > We can only speculate

Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment

2020-06-29 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 28 iun 20, 08:21:29, Richard Owlett wrote: > The default install of the MATE desktop installs too much I don't want. > Unfortunately the Debian installer does not allow coerces the installation > of "recommended" packages. > > Therefore I did an install without *ANY* desktop environment. >

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 29 iun 20, 09:25:03, Alessandro Baggi wrote: > > Il 29/06/20 09:02, Andrei POPESCU ha scritto: > > On Du, 28 iun 20, 00:16:05, David Christensen wrote: > > > I have yet to > > > hear of an "enterprise" environment built on Debian, but you can tell us > > > about yours when you build it. (UR

Re: update-alternatives - was [Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment]

2020-06-29 Thread Liam O'Toole
On Mon, 29 Jun, 2020 at 10:21:18 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/29/2020 09:12 AM, davidson wrote: [...] > > Have you reviewed any notes regarding what it did for you yesterday? > > Yesterday's problems stemmed from installing mate-desktop-environment rather > than task-mate-desktop ;{ Who

Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread echo test
I'm very happy to have asked this question here, my brain is enjoying. Thank you again for all, I'll definitely be stick on Debian. > Something seems a little flakey about that architecture. Rsyncng postgress data? There are lots of better ways to merge data into a database. Particularly in the

Re: Systemd user environment variables not picked up for me

2020-06-29 Thread Thomas Pircher
Greg Wooledge wrote: > The holy grail, for me, would have been a way to specify environment > variables that are applied to all user logins, whether by console login, > or ssh, or Display Manager, independent of the user's login shell. This is more or less what I try to achieve here. My use case i

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:32:40 +0200 MAS Jean-Louis wrote: ... > We have about 100 servers now, mostly Dell, and we are working with > Dell for about 17 years, without any troubles. We owned several hundred > Dell's servers during those years, mostly running on Debian. > > Everything work fine w

Re: update-alternatives - was [Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment]

2020-06-29 Thread Brian
On Mon 29 Jun 2020 at 10:21:18 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/29/2020 09:12 AM, davidson wrote: [...] > > Have you reviewed any notes regarding what it did for you yesterday? > > Yesterday's problems stemmed from installing mate-desktop-environment rather > than task-mate-desktop ;{ > >

Re: Systemd user environment variables not picked up for me

2020-06-29 Thread Thomas Pircher
Greg Wooledge wrote: > As far as I've been able to determine, this environment.d stuff does > *not* work with logins. D'oh! That didn't occur to me. Re-reading the man pages with that in mind makes more sense now. As you say, it seems to be implicitly assumed in several places but not stated expli

Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment

2020-06-29 Thread Jude DaShiell
Do any utilities exist to help users intelligently edit ~/.xsession files like fleacollar.sh for setting up mutt? On Mon, 29 Jun 2020, Greg Wooledge wrote: > Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 08:39:04 > From: Greg Wooledge > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Installing/launching MATE in a com

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread MAS Jean-Louis
Le 29/06/2020 à 17:31, Reco a écrit : > I see nothing wrong with Dell servers per se. If one really needs > something relatively cheap and durable - there's nothing wrong with > Dell (or Supermicro, but that's politics again). But, it's Tier 2, not > 1. So - my quote at the top. We have about 10

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Reco
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 12:15:22PM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:58:18 +0300 > Reco wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:51:52AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > > I'm curious, although I don't know much about, and have little > > > > > experience with, enterpris

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:58:18 +0300 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:51:52AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > I'm curious, although I don't know much about, and have little > > > > experience with, enterprise hardware. Am I correct in my understanding > > > > that it is actuall

Re: Systemd user environment variables not picked up for me

2020-06-29 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 05:19:49PM +0200, l0f...@tuta.io wrote: > I'm not sure to understand what you want to achieve exactly, but aren't you > supposed to use pam_env for setting/unsetting your environment variables? We can only speculate about the OP's actual goal, but I'll tell you what *I* was

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:51:52AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > I'm curious, although I don't know much about, and have little > > > experience with, enterprise hardware. Am I correct in my understanding > > > that it is actually possible to run (more-or-less) Debian on a switch > > > b

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:21:08 +0300 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 15:41:13 -0400 > > Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > To give an idea of what you might buy: > > > > > > a firewall/router > > > a switch > > >

Re: update-alternatives - was [Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment]

2020-06-29 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/29/2020 09:29 AM, Brian wrote: On Mon 29 Jun 2020 at 08:52:24 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/29/2020 07:26 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 07:15:56AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/28/2020 09:36 AM, echo test wrote: Hello, If you want the desktop environmen

Re: Systemd user environment variables not picked up for me

2020-06-29 Thread l0f4r0
Hi, I'm not sure to understand what you want to achieve exactly, but aren't you supposed to use pam_env for setting/unsetting your environment variables? Best regards, l0f4r0

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 11:09:02 -0400 Dan Ritter wrote: > Celejar wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 15:41:13 -0400 > > Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > To give an idea of what you might buy: > > > > > > a firewall/router > > > a switch > > > a load-balancer > > > 2 web servers > > > a datab

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:22:21AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > Anything else is at least one tier lower so why bother discussing it? > > What do you have against Dell? I have a troubled past with EMC :) > Everything I've read indicates that their enterprise gear is very > good, and q

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 16:45:48 +0300 Reco wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:27:05AM +1200, Richard Hector wrote: > > > I'll be original here. Try SunFire X-series (aka SunServer X). Somewhat > > > costly, and the hardware quality is a hit or miss in newer models, but > > > runs Debian stable like

Re: update-alternatives - was [Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment]

2020-06-29 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/29/2020 09:12 AM, davidson wrote: On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/28/2020 09:36 AM, echo test wrote: Hello, If you want the desktop environment to be started automatically check that systemd is configured to run in graphical environment   $> systemctl set-default graphic

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:50:43AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 15:41:13 -0400 > Dan Ritter wrote: > > ... > > > To give an idea of what you might buy: > > > > a firewall/router > > a switch > > a load-balancer > > 2 web servers > > a database server > > a mail serve

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Dan Ritter
Celejar wrote: > On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 15:41:13 -0400 > Dan Ritter wrote: > > ... > > > To give an idea of what you might buy: > > > > a firewall/router > > a switch > > a load-balancer > > 2 web servers > > a database server > > a mail server > > a general utility box with lots of storage to ha

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 26 Jun 2020 15:41:13 -0400 Dan Ritter wrote: ... > To give an idea of what you might buy: > > a firewall/router > a switch > a load-balancer > 2 web servers > a database server > a mail server > a general utility box with lots of storage to handle backups > > All of those duties except

Re: update-alternatives - was [Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment]

2020-06-29 Thread Brian
On Mon 29 Jun 2020 at 08:52:24 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/29/2020 07:26 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 07:15:56AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > On 06/28/2020 09:36 AM, echo test wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > If you want the desktop environment to be

Re: update-alternatives - was [Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment]

2020-06-29 Thread davidson
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/28/2020 09:36 AM, echo test wrote: Hello, If you want the desktop environment to be started automatically check that systemd is configured to run in graphical environment $> systemctl set-default graphical.target If this is already setup, and

Re: update-alternatives - was [Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment]

2020-06-29 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/29/2020 07:26 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 07:15:56AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 06/28/2020 09:36 AM, echo test wrote: Hello, If you want the desktop environment to be started automatically check that systemd is configured to run in graphical environment $>

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Reco
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 01:27:05AM +1200, Richard Hector wrote: > > I'll be original here. Try SunFire X-series (aka SunServer X). Somewhat > > costly, and the hardware quality is a hit or miss in newer models, but > > runs Debian stable like it was designed for it. > > I'm a little unclear what y

Re: Systemd user environment variables not picked up for me

2020-06-29 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:42:51AM +0100, Thomas Pircher wrote: > Hi, > > I'm experimenting with systemd environment variables. I have a file > ~/.config/environment.d/50-default.conf where I set a few variables: > > > MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 > > GDK_BACKEND=wayland > > TESTVAR=test123 > > However,

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Richard Hector
On 27/06/20 8:02 am, Reco wrote: > On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 08:34:07PM +0200, echo test wrote: >> So, I want to know if It's a good idea to try using Debian in an enterprise >> context, with hardwares like Dell EMC PowerEdge or Lenovo ThinkCenter which >> seems to never mention that they support Deb

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Dan Ritter
Miles Fidelman wrote: > Just to be clear... mdadm is NOT raid - it's an admin program for managing > linux raid (md) devices.?? And then you need to worry about LVM (logical > volume manager), and a network file system on top of them. Just to be clear, you are being pedantic bordering on wrong he

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Dan Ritter
D. R. Evans wrote: > Dan Ritter wrote on 6/26/20 1:41 PM: > > echo test wrote: > > > >> Note: I will need some RAID solution hard or soft. > > > > We are firmly of the opinion that mdadm or ZFS are the best > > solutions here. > > > > Absolutely. > > Actually I'd go further and differentiate

Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment

2020-06-29 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 08:39:04AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 04:44:46PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > If I run a gui, I prefer to be logged in before that gui starts up. > > Probably systemctl disable lightdm as root then editing startx such that > > the last line runs

Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment

2020-06-29 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 04:44:46PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > If I run a gui, I prefer to be logged in before that gui starts up. > Probably systemctl disable lightdm as root then editing startx such that > the last line runs mate gets something like this done. That's rather heavy-handed. star

Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment

2020-06-29 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 08:32:58AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > Do not put startx in /etc/profile. Seconded. Thanks for spotting that. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment

2020-06-29 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 04:36:56PM +0200, echo test wrote: > Hello, > > If you want the desktop environment to be started automatically check that > systemd is configured to run in graphical environment > > $> systemctl set-default graphical.target > > If this is already setup, and you can laun

Re: update-alternatives - was [Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment]

2020-06-29 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 07:15:56AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 06/28/2020 09:36 AM, echo test wrote: > >Hello, > > > >If you want the desktop environment to be started automatically check that > >systemd is configured to run in graphical environment > > > > $> systemctl set-default graphical

update-alternatives - was [Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment]

2020-06-29 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/28/2020 09:36 AM, echo test wrote: Hello, If you want the desktop environment to be started automatically check that systemd is configured to run in graphical environment $> systemctl set-default graphical.target If this is already setup, and you can launch your DE with startx, check a

Re: Systemd user environment variables not picked up for me

2020-06-29 Thread Thomas Pircher
Thomas Pircher wrote: > I'm experimenting with systemd environment variables. I forgot to mention that this is on Debian testing/bullseye.

Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment

2020-06-29 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/28/2020 06:33 PM, songbird wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: ... What is the forgotten command to automatically launch the desktop at boot? i use lightdm and edit the config file to have the auto login happen. it just works (most of the time as i'm running testing here or there sometim

[SOLVED] Re: Installing/launching MATE in a command line environment

2020-06-29 Thread Richard Owlett
On 06/28/2020 10:15 AM, David Wright wrote: On Sun 28 Jun 2020 at 08:21:29 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: The default install of the MATE desktop installs too much I don't want. Unfortunately the Debian installer does not allow coerces the installation of "recommended" packages. Therefore I did

Systemd user environment variables not picked up for me

2020-06-29 Thread Thomas Pircher
Hi, I'm experimenting with systemd environment variables. I have a file ~/.config/environment.d/50-default.conf where I set a few variables: > MOZ_ENABLE_WAYLAND=1 > GDK_BACKEND=wayland > TESTVAR=test123 However, these variables are not set in my environment when I log in. I have tried logging i

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-06-29 00:02, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 28 iun 20, 00:16:05, David Christensen wrote: I have yet to hear of an "enterprise" environment built on Debian, but you can tell us about yours when you build it. (URL's for examples of such are welcome.) Maybe some of the deployments here fit

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Alessandro Baggi
Il 29/06/20 09:02, Andrei POPESCU ha scritto: On Du, 28 iun 20, 00:16:05, David Christensen wrote: I have yet to hear of an "enterprise" environment built on Debian, but you can tell us about yours when you build it. (URL's for examples of such are welcome.) Maybe some of the deployments here

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 28 iun 20, 00:16:05, David Christensen wrote: > I have yet to > hear of an "enterprise" environment built on Debian, but you can tell us > about yours when you build it. (URL's for examples of such are welcome.) Maybe some of the deployments here fit your definition of "enterprise". https:

Re: Advice on hardware server to use for small a dedicated data center

2020-06-29 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 28 iun 20, 12:37:14, echo test wrote: > > Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, are you saying that Debian cannot scale in > a bigger enterprise ? Debian can certainly scale from Raspberry Pis to supercomputers. The issue is more of support: 1. Debian itself doesn't offer support beyond securi