Re: Question for users of Thunderbird on buster

2020-06-10 Thread l0f4r0
Hi, 11 juin 2020 à 02:56 de f...@blakemfg.com: > On 6/10/20 1:10 PM, D. R. Evans wrote: > >> As far as I can tell, no one else using other OSes seems to be having this >> problem, so maybe it's a Thunderbird-on-buster issue that needs to be >> reported >> somewhere. Or maybe it's just my system

Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?)

2020-06-10 Thread tomas
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 07:27:08AM +0200, deloptes wrote: > Michael Stone wrote: > > > It helps create a positive community. Constantly attacking people > > because you think they're in some way wrong does not. > > Who is giving you the right to judge others? This beeing asked politely! OK > I

Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?)

2020-06-10 Thread deloptes
Michael Stone wrote: > It helps create a positive community. Constantly attacking people > because you think they're in some way wrong does not. Who is giving you the right to judge others? This beeing asked politely! I am honestly fed of this. When I read following: There is no dilemma

Re: Fw: How long will this take?

2020-06-10 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-06-10 10:13, Matthew Campbell wrote: I ran a read test first to look for bad sectors on the new hard drive to see if it was damaged by the shipping process. I use the manufacture toolkit to test and verify drives. Now I am writing to each sector, after looking around on the drive to i

Re: Question for users of Thunderbird on buster

2020-06-10 Thread Fred
On 6/10/20 1:10 PM, D. R. Evans wrote: As far as I can tell, no one else using other OSes seems to be having this problem, so maybe it's a Thunderbird-on-buster issue that needs to be reported somewhere. Or maybe it's just my system for some obscure reason So, with current buster, the installed

Re: How long will this take?

2020-06-10 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-06-10 07:00, Michael Stone wrote: On Mon, Jun 08, 2020 at 08:22:39PM +, Matthew Campbell wrote: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb ibs=4096 count=976754646 This command line gets data in 4k chunks from /dev/zero and then writes them to the disk in 512 byte chunks. That's pretty much th

Re: Unable to boot new buster installation

2020-06-10 Thread Gary L. Roach
On 6/10/20 12:10 PM, Henning Follmann wrote: On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 10:53:53AM -0700, Gary L. Roach wrote: On 6/10/20 5:17 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote: On dimanche 7 juin 2020 21:14:20 CEST Gary L. Roach wrote: I recently up graded this system to Bullseye and then ran into trouble with the lac

Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?)

2020-06-10 Thread Nicolas George
Michael Stone (12020-06-10): > It helps create a positive community. Constantly attacking people because > you think they're in some way wrong does not. Yes. That is true. What is the link with the current sub-discussion? Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Question for users of Thunderbird on buster

2020-06-10 Thread D. R. Evans
As far as I can tell, no one else using other OSes seems to be having this problem, so maybe it's a Thunderbird-on-buster issue that needs to be reported somewhere. Or maybe it's just my system for some obscure reason So, with current buster, the installed version of Thunderbird is 68.8.0. I have

Re: How long will this take?

2020-06-10 Thread Anders Andersson
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 4:00 PM Nicolas George wrote: > > Anders Andersson (12020-06-10): > > Because the police raiding my house for dealing drugs is not a > > realistic threat. Looking at my drives for running Tor could be. > > I have tried to explain that your threat assessment is inadequate, y

Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?)

2020-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 09:51:37PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: Michael Stone (12020-06-10): Interacting in a polite fashion shouldn't require a paycheck. What does politeness have to do with it? It helps create a positive community. Constantly attacking people because you think they're in

Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?)

2020-06-10 Thread Nicolas George
Michael Stone (12020-06-10): > Interacting in a polite fashion shouldn't require a paycheck. What does politeness have to do with it? We can very politely explain to somebody that their question makes no sense. Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?)

2020-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 09:24:08PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: l0f...@tuta.io (12020-06-10): It's the usual dilemma on mailing-lists/forums: * Are the respondents supposed to answer the OP question directly without hindsight (potential XY problem sometimes - http://xyproblem.info/)? * Or are

Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?)

2020-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 09:20:50PM +0200, l0f...@tuta.io wrote: * Are the respondents supposed to answer the OP question directly without hindsight (potential XY problem sometimes - http://xyproblem.info/)? * Or are they expected to put the issue into perspective and challenge it? I know it ca

Re: [OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?)

2020-06-10 Thread Nicolas George
l0f...@tuta.io (12020-06-10): > It's the usual dilemma on mailing-lists/forums: > * Are the respondents supposed to answer the OP question directly without > hindsight (potential XY problem sometimes - http://xyproblem.info/)? > * Or are they expected to put the issue into perspective and challen

[OT] How to help the OP? (was: How long will this take?)

2020-06-10 Thread l0f4r0
Hi, 10 juin 2020 à 20:51 de mst...@debian.org: > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 12:02:13PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > >> Both l0f4r0 and I have asked why the OP >> is zeroing the drive, but no reply yet. Perhaps you can suggest an >> answer. >> > I don't really care why the OP is doing it. I can think

Re: Unable to boot new buster installation

2020-06-10 Thread Henning Follmann
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 10:53:53AM -0700, Gary L. Roach wrote: > On 6/10/20 5:17 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote: > > On dimanche 7 juin 2020 21:14:20 CEST Gary L. Roach wrote: > > > I recently up graded this system to Bullseye and then ran into trouble > > > with the lack of Qt4 and had to re-install

Re: How long will this take?

2020-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 12:02:13PM -0500, David Wright wrote: I tried to make clear that my use case differed from that of the OP, in case you missed that. Just before lockdown (=lockout). I borrowed an AIO computer and, to make room, returned a 2006 vintage tower that would no longer pass its PO

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Re: Unable to boot new buster installation

2020-06-10 Thread Gary L. Roach
On 6/10/20 5:17 AM, Dominique Dumont wrote: On dimanche 7 juin 2020 21:14:20 CEST Gary L. Roach wrote: I recently up graded this system to Bullseye and then ran into trouble with the lack of Qt4 and had to re-install Buster. The installation went fine until kde desktop tried to start. The syste

Re: ipv6 loopback

2020-06-10 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Wed, 2020-06-10 at 12:01 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 10 Jun 2020 at 12:05:57 (-0400), Jim Popovitch wrote: > > Something that has always bugged me (and #debian hasn't yet answered) > > > > What establishes the IPv6 loopback ::1 address, and why is there no need > > for "iface lo inet6 l

Re: How long will this take?

2020-06-10 Thread David Wright
On Wed 10 Jun 2020 at 10:14:02 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Jun 08, 2020 at 10:01:13PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 08 Jun 2020 at 20:22:39 (+), Matthew Campbell wrote: > > > I bought a new 4 terrabyte hard drive that is connected with a > > > USB cable using USB2. It took a

Re: ipv6 loopback

2020-06-10 Thread David Wright
On Wed 10 Jun 2020 at 12:05:57 (-0400), Jim Popovitch wrote: > Something that has always bugged me (and #debian hasn't yet answered) > > What establishes the IPv6 loopback ::1 address, and why is there no need > for "iface lo inet6 loopback" in /etc/network/interfaces? AFAICT there's code in linu

Fw: How long will this take?

2020-06-10 Thread Matthew Campbell
I wipe a new drive for two reasons. 1) I like to make sure it's nice and clean which makes me comfortable. It bothers me if I don't. 2) I can make a reasonable determination about which sectors were used when setting up the partition table(s) and any boot loaders so I know which sectors were u

ipv6 loopback

2020-06-10 Thread Jim Popovitch
Something that has always bugged me (and #debian hasn't yet answered) What establishes the IPv6 loopback ::1 address, and why is there no need for "iface lo inet6 loopback" in /etc/network/interfaces? -Jim P.

Re: How long will this take?

2020-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 05:53:17PM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 10 iun 20, 10:00:48, Michael Stone wrote: IME performance peaks at 16-64k. Beyond that things don't improve, and can potentially get worse or cause other issues. Even so, bs=1M is easy to remember and type ;) I don't fin

Re: How long will this take?

2020-06-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 iun 20, 10:00:48, Michael Stone wrote: > > IME performance peaks at 16-64k. Beyond that things don't improve, and can > potentially get worse or cause other issues. Even so, bs=1M is easy to remember and type ;) Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser signa

Re: How long will this take?

2020-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jun 08, 2020 at 10:01:13PM -0500, David Wright wrote: On Mon 08 Jun 2020 at 20:22:39 (+), Matthew Campbell wrote: I bought a new 4 terrabyte hard drive that is connected with a USB cable using USB2. It took about 32 hours to read every sector on the drive to look for bad sectors.

Re: How long will this take?

2020-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jun 08, 2020 at 08:22:39PM +, Matthew Campbell wrote: I bought a new 4 terrabyte hard drive that is connected with a USB cable using USB2. It took about 32 hours to read every sector on the drive to look for bad sectors. I started blanking the sectors using /dev/zero last Friday night

Re: How long will this take?

2020-06-10 Thread Nicolas George
Anders Andersson (12020-06-10): > Because the police raiding my house for dealing drugs is not a > realistic threat. Looking at my drives for running Tor could be. I have tried to explain that your threat assessment is inadequate, you do not want to listen. Fine, keep wasting your time on your own

Re: How long will this take?

2020-06-10 Thread Anders Andersson
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 3:33 PM Nicolas George wrote: > > Anders Andersson (12020-06-10): > > Except wiping a disk is trivial. Just start the job and come back > > later to a clean disk. It's not like you have to wipe it by hand. I do > > it routinely before I put a disk to use that's going to be

Reply semantics, yet again (was Re: Zoom- best practice?)

2020-06-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 2020-06-10 at 09:27, Nicolas George wrote: > The Wanderer (12020-06-09): What's with the stray 1, here? >> I subscribe to probably dozens of mailing lists, and I don't know >> of any way to configure things to add that header with a proper >> value automatically on a per-mailing-list basis. O

Re: Zoom- best practice?

2020-06-10 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 8:17 AM Nicolas George wrote: > Michael Stone (12020-06-10): > > Properly configured mailing list software does no such thing, since it's > a > > misuse of the reply-to header. > > A misuse that works, compared to non-misuses that regularly bring back > "don't cc me" subth

Re: How long will this take?

2020-06-10 Thread Nicolas George
Anders Andersson (12020-06-10): > Except wiping a disk is trivial. Just start the job and come back > later to a clean disk. It's not like you have to wipe it by hand. I do > it routinely before I put a disk to use that's going to be used for a > couple of years. There is no "except" about: define

Re: Zoom- best practice?

2020-06-10 Thread Nicolas George
The Wanderer (12020-06-09): > I subscribe to probably dozens of mailing lists, and I don't know of any > way to configure things to add that header with a proper value > automatically on a per-mailing-list basis. Otherwise, I'd probably have > done this years ago, unless other considerations (e.g.,

Re: How long will this take?

2020-06-10 Thread Anders Andersson
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 1:14 PM Nicolas George wrote: > > Anders Andersson (12020-06-10): > > Too bad if you end up in a routine police investigation and they find > > child pornography when scanning the disks for deleted files. > > > > "Must have been the previous owner" is a valid defense, but I

Re: Zoom- best practice?

2020-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 03:17:34PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: Michael Stone (12020-06-10): Properly configured mailing list software does no such thing, since it's a misuse of the reply-to header. A misuse that works, Except for the things that it breaks, and the cases for which it doesn'

Re: Zoom- best practice?

2020-06-10 Thread Nicolas George
Michael Stone (12020-06-10): > Properly configured mailing list software does no such thing, since it's a > misuse of the reply-to header. A misuse that works, compared to non-misuses that regularly bring back "don't cc me" subthreads. At some points, the religion of "properly" using headers need

Re: Zoom- best practice?

2020-06-10 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Jun 09, 2020 at 12:51:00PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: Instead of writing this periodically, you could include: Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org in your headers just like I did. Properly configured mailing-list software does it by default for subscribed users, but Debian is an exce

Re: Unable to boot new buster installation

2020-06-10 Thread Dominique Dumont
On dimanche 7 juin 2020 21:14:20 CEST Gary L. Roach wrote: > I recently up graded this system to Bullseye and then ran into trouble > with the lack of Qt4 and had to re-install Buster. The installation > went fine until kde desktop tried to start. The system froze with the > following message: >

Re: How long will this take?

2020-06-10 Thread Nicolas George
Anders Andersson (12020-06-10): > Too bad if you end up in a routine police investigation and they find > child pornography when scanning the disks for deleted files. > > "Must have been the previous owner" is a valid defense, but I'd rather > not end up having to use it. Ah, but maybe the previo

Re: How long will this take?

2020-06-10 Thread Anders Andersson
On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 8:28 PM Nicolas George wrote: > > Jude DaShiell (12020-06-09): > > High security operations do this routinely. They properly don't trust > > parts are as labeled from manufacturers especially manufacturers that > > send any of their stuff or get any of their stuff from Chin

Re: KDE run Dolphin as root?

2020-06-10 Thread Marco Möller
On 09.06.20 23:55, Default User wrote: (...) Now, a final note. When I did my main install, it was a day or two before the release of Buster 10.0. I immediately upgraded to Unstable. But it is still originally based upon Stretch. It was set up with both root and user passwords. And I use good