On 8/10/19 12:45 am, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 10:49:01AM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
Well I think the bash line means that the bash command uses ~/whatever
as data (which it could do without the x switch?) like any program
does with data files. I wasn't aware of this.
On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 18:42:38 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 15:09:09 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > But how do Debian list servers know ?
>
> A good question. How are my mails matched with my subscribed address
> so that I am awarded the accolade of LDOSUBSCRIBER?
On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 15:09:09 (+0200), Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> i wrote:
> > > To my best knowledge, "X-Spam-Status: ... tests=...,LDOSUBSCRIBER,..."
> > > says that the "From:" address of the mail is subscribed.
>
> Brian wrote:
> > Are you sure it is the From: and not the envelope From? My From:
David Parker wrote:
> # hciconfig -a
> hci0: Type: Primary Bus: USB
> BD Address: 5C:F3:70:8C:B7:98 ACL MTU: 1021:8 SCO MTU: 64:1
> UP RUNNING PSCAN
> RX bytes:62062 acl:40 sco:0 events:3178 errors:0
> TX bytes:499936 acl:776 sco:0 commands:1088 errors:38
> Features: 0xbf 0xfe 0xcf 0xfe 0xdb 0x
Le 07/10/2019 à 09:42, Joe a écrit :
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 23:26:32 +0200
Pascal Hambourg wrote:
Le 06/10/2019 à 22:45, Beco a écrit :
Now the system can boot both systems ok. But to choose which one
you want, you need to enter the BIOS, change legacy to UEFI, and
vice-versa, then you can boot.
Hi.
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 10:55:53PM +0200, BAGI Ákos wrote:
> you mean I should make the firewall settings public?
> good idea :)
If your security depends on obscurity, you do not have a security in the
first place.
Your INPUT rules can be probed.
Your FORWARD rules aren't relevant to
(Warning: irrelevancy ahead.)
On 07/10/2019 21.29, Brian wrote:
> I am not overly bothered whether my answers are read. That is up to the
> OP. For all I know, all my mails are deleted on sight by all users on
> this list. :)
Wrong, there is at least one that hasn't.
QED ;)
--
Étienne Mollier
On 07/10/2019 11.08, DAVID HAND wrote:
> This is present in Buster and Stretch - can't remember precisely when it
> broke.
>
> Don't know which package maintainer is responsible, have searched a lot and
> found many similar sounding issues yet not been able to fix it myself, nor
> find active
you mean I should make the firewall settings public?
good idea :)
2019.10.05 12:32 keltezéssel, deloptes írta:
BAGI Ákos wrote:
How can I enable it with iptables? (I have lot of iptables rules).
Is it ok, to enable it?
without the iptables rules it is hard to tell - post the rules
(iptables
Hi.
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 03:01:43PM -0500, Dennis Wicks wrote:
> Using tightvncserver on the 32-bit side and xtightvncviewer on the
> 64-bit side I have managed to get a connection, but no desktop
> manager. The viewer shows me a window but it is just gray, actually
> very small black a
Greetings;
I have a vanilla 64-bit install of Buster which claims to be
Debian 10.1. I am trying to vnc from there to my old 32-bit
machine which is running Bullseye (don't know what it claims
to be).
Using tightvncserver on the 32-bit side and xtightvncviewer
on the 64-bit side I have mana
On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 20:49:08 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Brian wrote:
> > I am still wondering what use it is to "check for the existence of
> > that LDOSUBSCRIBER value of X-Spam-Status e-mail header *before*
> > replying to e-mail". How does it affect the actions one takes?
>
> As
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 10:05:30PM +0300, Reco wrote:
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 02:45:29PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 09:17:21PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 01:54:17PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > I don't agree that responding to a troll will lead to a
On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 14:45:29 -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 09:17:21PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 01:54:17PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > > I don't agree that responding to a troll will lead to a beneficial
> > > outcome.
> >
> > You're entitled to
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 02:45:29PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 09:17:21PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 01:54:17PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > > I don't agree that responding to a troll will lead to a beneficial
> > > outcome.
> >
> > You're entitled
Michael Stone writes:
> Are there any real users with valid use cases for which this as an
> issue?
"I told it to remove xyzzy and it removed all of Gnome!" (or some other
metapackage) is a common complaint.
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 21:17:21 +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 01:54:17PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 04:39:56PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > > No, I got you first time. Rather it's my response deviated elsewhere.
> > >
> > > I see nothing in those three package
Hi,
Brian wrote:
> I am still wondering what use it is to "check for the existence of
> that LDOSUBSCRIBER value of X-Spam-Status e-mail header *before*
> replying to e-mail". How does it affect the actions one takes?
As said, i use it as guideline whether to add a Cc: for the thread starter.
If
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 09:17:21PM +0300, Reco wrote:
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 01:54:17PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
I don't agree that responding to a troll will lead to a beneficial outcome.
You're entitled to your option, of course.
For context, the most recent message from that account s
Hi,
i wrote:
> > But how do Debian list servers know [that Brian is subscribed] ?
> > [...] is it because the first mail hop added "envelope-from" to
> > its Received: header ?
Brian wrote:
> I can alter that too, and still be designated LDOSUBSCRIBER.
Hmm. I see you tinkered with the first Rece
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 01:54:17PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 04:39:56PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > No, I got you first time. Rather it's my response deviated elsewhere.
> >
> > I see nothing in those three packages that would qualify as "xyzzy".
> > Alternatives? No. Mime t
Hi.
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 06:34:20PM +0200, Linux-Fan wrote:
> Citing from that:
> | 6.7.10. Best practices for meta-packages
> | A meta-package is a mostly empty package that makes it easy to install a
> | coherent set of packages that can evolve over time. It achieves this by
> | depen
On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 10:56:30 -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 16:03:21 (+0300), Reco wrote:
[...]
> > Please show a e-mail from the list subscriber that does not have
> > aforementioned attribute, then we'll have something to talk about.
>
> Dead easy. Just configure your em
Hi,
lwhona...@gmail.com wrote:
> I was under the impression, if I copied the dvd image to a usb stick,
> I could boot from the stick and start the install.
This is true. You have to put it as image onto the raw USB stick device.
https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb
proposes for GNU/Linux s
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 04:39:56PM +0300, Reco wrote:
No, I got you first time. Rather it's my response deviated elsewhere.
I see nothing in those three packages that would qualify as "xyzzy".
Alternatives? No. Mime types registration? No.
About the only common thing about all three packages is
Patrick Bartek writes:
> They are each their own Hell. Package management software solved,
> more or less, one type, but created another beast as the OP has
> discovered and that we each deal with in our own ways. Such is life
> . . . and software
The OP is in a hell of his own making (which is
On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 15:09:09 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
[...]
> But how do Debian list servers know ?
A good question. How are my mails matched with my subscribed address
so that I am awarded the accolade of LDOSUBSCRIBER? On the basis that
my past statements about the SMTP protocol (whateve
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 10:56:30AM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 16:03:21 (+0300), Reco wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 01:32:59PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 14:59:31 +0300, Reco wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 12:50:28PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > >
On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 15:09:09 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i wrote:
> > > To my best knowledge, "X-Spam-Status: ... tests=...,LDOSUBSCRIBER,..."
> > > says that the "From:" address of the mail is subscribed.
>
> Brian wrote:
> > Are you sure it is the From: and not the envelope From?
On Monday 07 October 2019 12:40:00 Dan Purgert wrote:
> wrote:
> > Greetings All,
> >
> > Briefly, I am a new Linux want-to-be. I am totally blind, retired
> > computer specialist with most of my work experience in the Windows
> > world. I do have a passing knowledge of Unix.
> >
> > I am attem
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019 at 4:41 PM Jonathan Dowland
wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 03:46:53AM +0300, goleo . wrote:
> >Liar, you are the one being abusive. I am being rude for a right reason.
>
> Presumably you posted to debian-user@ in the hope of getting help.
> With this attitude I can assure you
lwhona...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Briefly, I am a new Linux want-to-be. I am totally blind, retired computer
> specialist with most of my work experience in the Windows world. I do have
> a passing knowledge of Unix.
Good news: you're not the only blind Linux user on this list. If
it helps, the i
Am 07.10.2019 um 18:26 schrieb lwhona...@gmail.com:
Greetings All,
Briefly, I am a new Linux want-to-be. I am totally blind, retired
computer specialist with most of my work experience in the Windows
world. I do have a passing knowledge of Unix.
I am attempting my first install of Debian an
On Mon, 07 Oct 2019 10:01:31 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> Patrick Bartek writes:
> > Welcome to the Wonderful Hell of Dependencies.
>
> That's not dependency hell. Dependency hell is what we had before
> package management systems. I assure you that occasionally permitting
> the installation o
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>
> Greetings All,
>
> Briefly, I am a new Linux want-to-be. I am totally blind, retired
> computer specialist with most of my work experience in the Windows
> world. I do have a passing knowledge of Unix.
>
> I am attempting my first insta
On 10/7/2019 6:26 PM, lwhona...@gmail.com wrote:
> Greetings All,
>
>
>
> Briefly, I am a new Linux want-to-be. I am totally blind, retired computer
> specialist with most of my work experience in the Windows world. I do have
> a passing knowledge of Unix.
>
>
>
> I am attempting my first install
John Hasler writes:
Reco writes:
> The parent thread shows that at least some of the users are
> confused by metapackages.
I think that most users are totally ignorant of the nature or even the
existence of metapackages. As far as they are concerned the Lxqt
package *is* Lxqt and there is no w
Greetings All,
Briefly, I am a new Linux want-to-be. I am totally blind, retired computer
specialist with most of my work experience in the Windows world. I do have
a passing knowledge of Unix.
I am attempting my first install of Debian and I must be missing something
from the Install Gui
Reco writes:
> The parent thread shows that at least some of the users are
> confused by metapackages.
I think that most users are totally ignorant of the nature or even the
existence of metapackages. As far as they are concerned the Lxqt
package *is* Lxqt and there is no way to get Lxqt other th
On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 16:03:21 (+0300), Reco wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 01:32:59PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 14:59:31 +0300, Reco wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 12:50:28PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > > On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 14:11:15 +0300, Reco wrote:
> > > > > On Mon,
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John Hasler wrote:
> Patrick Bartek writes:
>> Welcome to the Wonderful Hell of Dependencies.
>
> That's not dependency hell. Dependency hell is what we had before
> package management systems. I assure you that occasionally permitting
> the instal
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Reco wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 01:08:04PM -, Dan Purgert wrote:
>> Reco wrote:
I don't think anything needs to be done here -- the whole idea of
(meta)packages is that you give up some choice for the benefits of not
having t
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 04:00:43PM +0100, mick crane wrote:
> Are all [systemd] services daemons ?
No. Systemd services have "types". Some of these types (simple, forking)
can reasonably be called daemons, because they run a program, or suite
of programs, which is expected to stick around for a
Glenn Holmer wrote:
> Is it safe to set Python 3 as the default in Buster, or are there
> system programs that still need to run under Python 2?
Setting python3 as the default python interpreter is not supported in
Buster. Doing so will break your system.
Besides: /usr/bin/python is defined as
Patrick Bartek writes:
> Welcome to the Wonderful Hell of Dependencies.
That's not dependency hell. Dependency hell is what we had before
package management systems. I assure you that occasionally permitting
the installation of a program you don't need is preferable by far.
--
John Hasler
jhas
On 2019-10-07 14:28, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Sat, Oct 05, 2019 at 08:42:51PM +0100, mick crane wrote:
after checking through /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server
basic use is
systemctl start sshd.service
systemctl stop sshd.service
systemctl restart sshd.service
systemctl enable sshd.service ( sho
Is it safe to set Python 3 as the default in Buster, or are there system
programs that still need to run under Python 2?
--
Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
"After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 14:20:17 (+1030), Paul Dabrowski wrote:
> Folks,
> I have been using Debian 9 in a multi-boot setup for quite some time with a
> great deal of satisfaction. The basic set up was:
> Windows 7 (for the infrequent use by other family members)
> Debian 9 (living on /dev/sda5; used
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 02:46:54PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 05, 2019 at 12:10:14PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >I'm pretty confident that they'll work. Firstly, Jonathan
> >knows his stuff.
>
> that's generous, thank you!
C'mon. Thank *you* for your work on Debian. *That*
On Sat, Oct 05, 2019 at 12:10:14PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
I'm pretty confident that they'll work. Firstly, Jonathan
knows his stuff.
that's generous, thank you!
--
👱🏻 Jonathan Dowland
✎ j...@dow.land
🔗 https://jmtd.net
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 10:49:01AM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote:
Well I think the bash line means that the bash command uses ~/whatever
as data (which it could do without the x switch?) like any program
does with data files. I wasn't aware of this. I read later the the -c
is not necessary, and
On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 16:03:21 +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 01:32:59PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 14:59:31 +0300, Reco wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 12:50:28PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > > On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 14:11:15 +0300, Reco wrote:
> > > >
> >
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 03:46:53AM +0300, goleo . wrote:
Liar, you are the one being abusive. I am being rude for a right reason.
Presumably you posted to debian-user@ in the hope of getting help.
With this attitude I can assure you help will be in short supply.
--
👱🏻 Jonathan Dowland
✎
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 01:08:04PM -, Dan Purgert wrote:
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> Reco wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 11:56:33AM -, Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> > 3) Synaptic did not provide a user a meaningful choice.
> >> > [...]
> >> > I'm n
On Sat, Oct 05, 2019 at 08:42:51PM +0100, mick crane wrote:
> after checking through /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server
> basic use is
> systemctl start sshd.service
> systemctl stop sshd.service
> systemctl restart sshd.service
> systemctl enable sshd.service ( should start sshd at boot )
> system
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> Hi.
>
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 11:56:33AM -, Dan Purgert wrote:
>> > 3) Synaptic did not provide a user a meaningful choice.
>> > [...]
>> > I'm not saying that Synaptic should be transformed to aptitude (which is
>> > famous
Hi,
i wrote:
> > To my best knowledge, "X-Spam-Status: ... tests=...,LDOSUBSCRIBER,..."
> > says that the "From:" address of the mail is subscribed.
Brian wrote:
> Are you sure it is the From: and not the envelope From? My From: is
> not subscribed.
Interesting observation.
So the address by whi
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 01:32:59PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 14:59:31 +0300, Reco wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 12:50:28PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 14:11:15 +0300, Reco wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 11:39:05AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> >
On Sat, Oct 05, 2019 at 12:14:28PM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2019-10-05, wrote:
> I meant
>
> bash -c "~/whatever"
>
> appears to be faulty (for one reason or another.
For two reasons.
First, the -c. That's been explained already.
Second, the quotes around the tilde cause tilde expansion not
On 2019-10-07, Reco wrote:
>
> 1) Call me old-fashioned, but posters' personalities should not matter
> here, at this list.
I don't see what is old-fashioned about your opinion here. I would think
it were the gentilities of polite discourse that have become outmoded
(as demonstrated finely by the
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 17:45:37 -0300
Beco wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I have this laptop problem to solve: the original windows 10 is kept,
> shrunk partition to 1TB, originally cryptographied (but now normal).
> The rest was given to Linux, Debian 10: 800GB root and 8.2GB swap.
>
> Now the system can b
On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 14:59:31 +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 12:50:28PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 14:11:15 +0300, Reco wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 11:39:05AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > > On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 11:28:03 +0300, Reco wrote:
> > > >
> >
Hi.
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 11:56:33AM -, Dan Purgert wrote:
> > 3) Synaptic did not provide a user a meaningful choice.
> > [...]
> > I'm not saying that Synaptic should be transformed to aptitude (which is
> > famous for its multi-choice resolver), we have one aptitude already,
> > p
On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 13:53:43 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Reco wrote:
[...]
> Brian wrote:
> > The non-existence of LDOSUBSCRIBER in a mails's headers says nothing
> > definite about whether the poster is subscribed to the list or reads
> > list mails.
>
> To my best knowledge, "X
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Reco wrote:
> Hello, list.
>
> It may seem a thread hijacking (and may be it is), but I feel that the
> discussion of OP's problem has taken a wrong turn. Consider this a my
> attempt to put in on a right track ☺.
>
> So I've been reading this
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 12:50:28PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 14:11:15 +0300, Reco wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 11:39:05AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > > On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 11:28:03 +0300, Reco wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > > PS Just a friendly reminder. Please chec
Hi,
Reco wrote:
> > 1) Call me old-fashioned, but posters' personalities should not matter
> > here, at this list. [...]
> > The language OP is using could definitely use some improvement indeed,
It would serve the general issue of constructive discussion.
> > discussing OP's personality just b
On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 14:11:15 +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 11:39:05AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 11:28:03 +0300, Reco wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > PS Just a friendly reminder. Please check for the existence of that
> > > LDOSUBSCRIBER value of X-Spam-Status
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 11:39:05AM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 11:28:03 +0300, Reco wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > PS Just a friendly reminder. Please check for the existence of that
> > LDOSUBSCRIBER value of X-Spam-Status e-mail header *before* replying to
> > e-mail. Unless, of course
On Mon 07 Oct 2019 at 11:28:03 +0300, Reco wrote:
[...]
> PS Just a friendly reminder. Please check for the existence of that
> LDOSUBSCRIBER value of X-Spam-Status e-mail header *before* replying to
> e-mail. Unless, of course, you intention is *not* to reply to OP but
> have your reply visible
This is present in Buster and Stretch - can't remember precisely when it broke.
Don't know which package maintainer is responsible, have searched a lot and
found many similar sounding issues yet not been able to fix it myself, nor find
active similar bug. Possibly one filed with glx-alternative
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 11:28:03AM +0300, Reco wrote:
> Hello, list.
>
> It may seem a thread hijacking (and may be it is) [...]
I don't feel so. Thanks for this post.
Cheers
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Hello, list.
It may seem a thread hijacking (and may be it is), but I feel that the
discussion of OP's problem has taken a wrong turn. Consider this a my
attempt to put in on a right track ☺.
So I've been reading this thread, and it got me thinking. I know, it's a
somewhat strange confess
On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 03:46:53 +0300
"goleo ." wrote:
>
> Liar, you are the one being abusive. I am being rude for a right
> reason.
>
You are being rude through (being charitable) ignorance.
1. Boot the appropriate Debian netinstall medium.
2. Deselect *all* tasks when offered the choice, sin
On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 23:26:32 +0200
Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Le 06/10/2019 à 22:45, Beco a écrit :
> >
> > Now the system can boot both systems ok. But to choose which one
> > you want, you need to enter the BIOS, change legacy to UEFI, and
> > vice-versa, then you can boot.
>
> Would you mind
On Mon, Oct 07, 2019 at 12:00:11AM +0300, goleo . wrote:
[...]
> This is harassment because you force me to use either
> Xarchiver or Ark, you don't give me the choice to use none.
Who is that "you" you keep talking about? You are aware that
you are addressing the "Debian Users" mailing list? Pe
Carl Fink writes:
> From his writing style, I get the feeling goleo is a young teen, perhaps
> someone who learned social skills in a multiplayer game online.
Or a hateful older person who is afraid of this new "video game" stuff
and made up his mind that playing video games makes people abusive,
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