who is verifying proposed-updates ?

2019-08-27 Thread Harald Dunkel
Hi folks, how good is test coverage of proposed-updates? This repository is pretty much unknown (IMHO), so I wonder if there are numbers from the popularity contest? Regards Harri

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread Felix Miata
Andrei POPESCU composed on 2019-08-28 09:10 (UTC+0300): > Gene Heskett wrote: >> What, in wheezy > Do you mean Debian 7? >> /lib/udev/rules.d rule do I nuke so eth0 remains eth0 regardless of >> which box I put that drive in? > Try booting with 'net.ifnames=0' on the kernel command line, thou

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 27 aug 19, 14:27:02, Gene Heskett wrote: > > What, in wheezy Do you mean Debian 7? > /lib/udev/rules.d rule do I nuke so eth0 remains eth0 regardless of >which box I put that drive in? Try booting with 'net.ifnames=0' on the kernel command line, though I'm not sure this works in wheezy

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread Felmon Davis
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 27 August 2019 16:01:30 Brian wrote: (P.S. Could we have posts without medical details. They make me feel quesy). Life, fully lived, can and will have its queasy moments. Perhaps you are overdue of an annual physical? I see Brian's poin

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread David Wright
On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 19:51:21 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 17:44:18 David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 21:39:52 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 15:50:31 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 14:58:37 Tyler D wrote: > >

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread David Wright
On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 19:41:41 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 17:38:34 David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 16:13:25 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 03:50:31PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > I'll do it, but the date on it is today,

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 27 August 2019 17:44:18 David Wright wrote: > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 21:39:52 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 15:50:31 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 14:58:37 Tyler D wrote: > > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:45 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > > >

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 27 August 2019 17:38:34 David Wright wrote: > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 16:13:25 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 03:50:31PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > I'll do it, but the date on it is today, so I suspect something > > > in /lib/udev/rules.d is behind the re-

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 27 August 2019 16:39:52 Brian wrote: > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 15:50:31 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 14:58:37 Tyler D wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:45 PM Gene Heskett > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > > > I've just swapped machin

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread Brian
On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 17:22:27 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 16:01:30 Brian wrote: > > > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 14:27:02 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > I've just swapped machines because that failed one got nailed by a > > > lightning surge whi

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread David Wright
On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 21:39:52 (+0100), Brian wrote: > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 15:50:31 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 14:58:37 Tyler D wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:45 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > > > > I've just swapped machines because that failed one got na

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread David Wright
On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 16:13:25 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 03:50:31PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I'll do it, but the date on it is today, so I suspect something > > in /lib/udev/rules.d is behind the re-write. > > If that file exists, it's used. Quotes in the file

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 27 August 2019 16:01:30 Brian wrote: > On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 14:27:02 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > I've just swapped machines because that failed one got nailed by a > > lightning surge while I was in the shop with a heart attack. 3 > > different psu's didn't r

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread Brian
On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 15:50:31 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 27 August 2019 14:58:37 Tyler D wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:45 PM Gene Heskett > wrote: > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > I've just swapped machines because that failed one got nailed by a > > > lightning surge whi

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 03:50:31PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > I'll do it, but the date on it is today, so I suspect something > in /lib/udev/rules.d is behind the re-write. If that file exists, it's used. Quotes in the file are ignored. Valid content in the file is used to map various interfa

Re: Xfce 4.12 to 4.14: high Xorg CPU usage

2019-08-27 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 28/08/2019 01:01, Stefan Pietsch wrote: I upgraded Xfce to 4.14 recently (Debian unstable) and noticed slightly delayed rendering of UI elements. Firefox and Thunderbird behave sluggishly and CPU usage by Xorg is significantly higher as compared to Xfce 4.12. Did anyone who is using Xfce 4.14

Re: X11 desktops on buster without systemd

2019-08-27 Thread Dan Ritter
Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 12:54:19PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > 6. apt install sysvinit-core elogind > > > > Ideally, at this point nothing except systemd would be uninstalled. In > > practice, currently, an awful lot of things that you might actually want > > get uninstall

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread Brian
On Tue 27 Aug 2019 at 14:27:02 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > I've just swapped machines because that failed one got nailed by a > lightning surge while I was in the shop with a heart attack. 3 > different psu's didn't restore the green led in a decade old dell, so I > swappe

Re: MY EXPERIENCE WITH BUSTER

2019-08-27 Thread Dan Ritter
bcciv wrote: > I have used Debian for over 16 years (started with kernel 2.4). I recently > downloaded Buster to update my machines which are currently running Stretch. > I like to keep one of my machines offline - always - for added security. So > I downloaded the first 3 iso's and used jigd

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 27 August 2019 14:58:37 Tyler D wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:45 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > I've just swapped machines because that failed one got nailed by a > > lightning surge while I was in the shop with a heart attack. 3 > > different psu's didn't res

Re: udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread Tyler D
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 2:45 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > I've just swapped machines because that failed one got nailed by a > lightning surge while I was in the shop with a heart attack. 3 > different psu's didn't restore the green led in a decade old dell, so I > swapped the wh

udev being an ass

2019-08-27 Thread Gene Heskett
Greetings all; I've just swapped machines because that failed one got nailed by a lightning surge while I was in the shop with a heart attack. 3 different psu's didn't restore the green led in a decade old dell, so I swapped the whole box except for the HD. But udevs UN-persistent rules have

Re: X11 desktops on buster without systemd

2019-08-27 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 12:54:19PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > 6. apt install sysvinit-core elogind > > Ideally, at this point nothing except systemd would be uninstalled. In > practice, currently, an awful lot of things that you might actually want > get uninstalled. Like what? wooledg:~$ apt -s

MY EXPERIENCE WITH BUSTER

2019-08-27 Thread bcciv
I have used Debian for over 16 years (started with kernel 2.4). I recently downloaded Buster to update my machines which are currently running Stretch. I like to keep one of my machines offline - always - for added security. So I downloaded the first 3 iso's and used jigdo for the remaining is

X11 desktops on buster without systemd

2019-08-27 Thread Dan Ritter
Thanks largely to posts on the debian-init-diversity mailing list, I have a VM running with buster and XFCE4 without systemd. The process is not great, but it is doable: I started with a fresh stretch VM (since I wanted to test upgrading into buster.) 1. Change /etc/apt/sources.list entries to p

Re: trying to grab video of screen on a Thinkpad x130e netbook . . .

2019-08-27 Thread Albretch Mueller
On 8/24/19, Pétùr wrote: > ffmpeg -f x11grab -s 1280x720 -r 25 -i :0.0 screencast.mp4 but where did the audio go? it worked but not always. base on its logs ffmpeg seems to be making a video, but vlc doesn't show to me the actual video even though the file is there. Why is it that the video

Re: Xfce 4.12 to 4.14: high Xorg CPU usage

2019-08-27 Thread Sven Hartge
Stefan Pietsch wrote: > I upgraded Xfce to 4.14 recently (Debian unstable) and noticed > slightly delayed rendering of UI elements. > Firefox and Thunderbird behave sluggishly and CPU usage by Xorg is > significantly higher as compared to Xfce 4.12. > Did anyone who is using Xfce 4.14 observe s

Re: why won't ff look at this url?

2019-08-27 Thread mett
On 2019年8月27日 8:09:16 JST, Doug McGarrett wrote: > > >On 08/26/2019 03:22 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >> On Sb, 24 aug 19, 10:21:59, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> Greetings folks; >>> >>> >https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/w-va-ambulance-ems-director-arrested-accused-of-missing-and-tampering-with-nar

Xfce 4.12 to 4.14: high Xorg CPU usage

2019-08-27 Thread Stefan Pietsch
Dear list, I upgraded Xfce to 4.14 recently (Debian unstable) and noticed slightly delayed rendering of UI elements. Firefox and Thunderbird behave sluggishly and CPU usage by Xorg is significantly higher as compared to Xfce 4.12. Did anyone who is using Xfce 4.14 observe similar effects? Rega

Re: OT: AI

2019-08-27 Thread rhkramer
Ok, I'm going to try to restrain myself after this: It is possible though, that in one of the other universes, some of us are real. (Wouldn't that be something to see!) (Aside: Are there multiverses of multiverses?) On Monday, August 26, 2019 07:27:00 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Oh, wait,