[Possibly fake news] [DNG] Linux system can be brought down by sending SIGILL to Systemd

2019-05-24 Thread tomas
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 02:01:35PM -0700, Fred wrote: > Hello, > I subscribe to the Devuan Linux mailing list. This posting just > arrived and it appears quite important to Debian. [about sending SIGILL to systemd] This is most probably fake news. You have to have appropriate permissions to sen

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread tomas
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 08:47:26PM +0100, Joe wrote: > On Fri, 24 May 2019 20:28:04 +0200 > "Thomas Schmitt" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Glenn English wrote: > > > LISP was the first high level language I > > > learned. Thought I was going to die... > > > > Yeah. Why ain't there no Debian packag

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 5/24/19 11:19 PM, Christian Groessler wrote: > On 5/24/19 10:03 PM, Alex Mestiashvili wrote: >> On 5/24/19 7:28 PM, Christian Groessler wrote: >>> On 5/24/19 6:51 PM, john doe wrote: On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: > Perl is happily off on it's own. "There's more than one way..." Boy i

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Dekks Herton
Paul Sutton writes: > Hi > > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > languages are mostly used? I am asking as it helps to give people an > idea of what they need to learn or will learn as part of helping. AFAIK Kernel + low level plumbing are primarily Assembly,C,

Recommmended IDE for C++ 17 (gcc8)?

2019-05-24 Thread rhkramer
Is anyone here using an IDE for working on C++ code at the revision 17 level (aka gcc8), iiuc. I'm looking for something that will work on Jessie. I've been trying to use version 5.3.2 of kdevelop (from a flatpack or whatever they call it) and have been running into problems. *Maybe* it is b

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM ghe wrote: > On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > > > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > > languages are mostly used? > > C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several > others. I don't recall seeing

Re: [DNG] Linux system can be brought down by sending SIGILL to Systemd

2019-05-24 Thread arne
On Fri, 24 May 2019 23:43:49 +0200 arne wrote: > On Fri, 24 May 2019 14:01:35 -0700 > Fred wrote: > > > Hello, > > I subscribe to the Devuan Linux mailing list. This posting just > > arrived and it appears quite important to Debian. > > > > Forwarded Message > > Subject:

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread ghe
On 5/24/19 3:19 PM, Christian Groessler wrote: > I dislike python on the other hand... I did too, when I looked at it a few years ago. But Python3 looks reasonably civilized. And so the interpreter replaces 4 spaces with a semicolon. I think I can live with that... -- Glenn English

Re: [DNG] Linux system can be brought down by sending SIGILL to Systemd

2019-05-24 Thread arne
On Fri, 24 May 2019 14:01:35 -0700 Fred wrote: > Hello, > I subscribe to the Devuan Linux mailing list. This posting just > arrived and it appears quite important to Debian. > > Forwarded Message > Subject: [DNG] Linux system can be brought down by sending > SIGILL to Sys

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, On Fri, 24 May 2019 19:45:23 +0200 "Thomas Schmitt" wrote: (...) > (Astounding how few languages are mentioned there. > No Piet ? http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html > ) seems like Piet isn't really a Debian programming language. At least Debian seems to have some support

Fwd: [DNG] Linux system can be brought down by sending SIGILL to Systemd

2019-05-24 Thread Fred
Hello, I subscribe to the Devuan Linux mailing list. This posting just arrived and it appears quite important to Debian. Forwarded Message Subject: [DNG] Linux system can be brought down by sending SIGILL to Systemd Date: Fri, 24 May 2019 22:04:34 +0200 From: Martin St

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Christian Groessler
On 5/24/19 10:03 PM, Alex Mestiashvili wrote: On 5/24/19 7:28 PM, Christian Groessler wrote: On 5/24/19 6:51 PM, john doe wrote: On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: Perl is happily off on it's own. "There's more than one way..." Boy is there ever. Nice to write, but it's next to impossible to und

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Joe wrote: > geda-gschem and related electronics tools rely on Guile. I have Guile > libraries 1.8, 2.0 and 2.2 installed, and they increase in size from > 2.6MB to 11.8MB to 45MB. So something must still be going on... It is still the official glue language of GNU. (To my luck its use does n

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 5/24/19 7:28 PM, Christian Groessler wrote: > On 5/24/19 6:51 PM, john doe wrote: >> On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: >>> Perl is happily off on it's own. "There's more than one way..." Boy is >>> there ever. Nice to write, but it's next to impossible to understand >>> other people's code. Pytho

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Joe
On Fri, 24 May 2019 16:08:44 +0100 Paul Sutton wrote: > > Not just on the coding side of things as we have markdown / html / css > perhaps LaTeX for documentation. > I've done practically all my coding for the last ten years in php. With a disparate collection of computing devices, web applic

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Joe
On Fri, 24 May 2019 20:28:04 +0200 "Thomas Schmitt" wrote: > Hi, > > Glenn English wrote: > > LISP was the first high level language I > > learned. Thought I was going to die... > > Yeah. Why ain't there no Debian package with Guile ? > https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ > > geda-gschem a

Re: kvm errors with 4.9.0-9 kernel.

2019-05-24 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 09:22:19PM -0600, John J. Rushford wrote: > Greetings, > > I recently updated my debian 9.9 machine which installed the 4.9.0-9 > kernel.  With this kernel,  the kvm_intel modules fail to load due to > the following > errors: > > kernel: [    6.234764] kvm_int

Re: kvm errors with 4.9.0-9 kernel.

2019-05-24 Thread Étienne Mollier
Good Day John, I tried to reproduce the problem on my side, using KVM accelerated with the module kvm_intel from Debian native kernel 4.9.0-9-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.168-1+deb9u2 (2019-05-13). I encountered the following trace in my `dmesg` output, which is only remotely related to kvm_intel:

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-24 Thread David Christensen
On 5/24/19 1:15 AM, Erik Josefsson wrote: On 5/24/19 5:12 AM, David Christensen wrote: If you get a major brand computer with 64-bit Intel Core technology (ca. 2006) or newer, Debian should run on it. Great! Thanks! The HP Compaq 8200 Elite SFF that I'm about to grab has a Intel Core i5-24

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Glenn English wrote: > LISP was the first high level language I > learned. Thought I was going to die... Yeah. Why ain't there no Debian package with Guile ? https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/ https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=guile yields (after choosing a package) https://sou

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread James H. H. Lampert
On 5/24/19, 11:00 AM, ghe wrote: I forgot about LISP too. LISP was the first high level language I learned. Thought I was going to die... (CLUTTER CLUTTER (CDR CLUTTER)) is probably the only s-expression I still remember from over half a lifetime ago. (It's a line of code from the "Blocks Wor

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Christian Groessler
On 5/24/19 6:51 PM, john doe wrote: On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: Perl is happily off on it's own. "There's more than one way..." Boy is there ever. Nice to write, but it's next to impossible to understand other people's code. Python, IMHO, seems to be creeping up to replace it. I'm typica

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread ghe
On 5/24/19 11:45 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > 1,122 lines of code in Buster. Oh. So that's what's wrong with Buster :-) > (Astounding how few languages are mentioned there. > No Piet ? http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html I forgot about LISP too. LISP was the first high level l

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Tom Browder
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:43 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: ... > That's plain wrong: Debian has perl at its core, and Python not. > > Also, your simplification of Perl is common among folks ignorant about > Perl but is wrong as well: You _can_ write difficult-to-read code in > Perl by by no means do y

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread James H. H. Lampert
Just out of morbid curiosity: what about a full ANSI PL/I? -- JHHL (And the mere fact that I'm asking ages me.)

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread ghe
On 5/24/19 11:21 AM, mick crane wrote: >> On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > What goes on with Perl ? Can you say "Python"? Perl was great a while back, but it leaves something to be desired today. -- Glenn English

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread ghe
On 5/24/19 11:42 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > That's plain wrong: Debian has perl at its core, and Python not. Please note the word "creeping." Perl is used a lot -- it's a very powerful language, but its syntax and data structures are less than optimal. I've written a lot of Perl, but I've bec

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting mick crane (2019-05-24 19:21:33) > On 2019-05-24 17:14, ghe wrote: > > On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > > > >> As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > >> languages are mostly used? > > > > C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probabl

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, ghe wrote: > I don't recall seeing any COBOL, though :-) 1,122 lines of code in Buster. See https://sources.debian.org/stats/#sloc_current (Astounding how few languages are mentioned there. No Piet ? http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html ) Have a nice day :) Thomas

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting ghe (2019-05-24 18:14:42) > On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > > > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > > languages are mostly used? > > C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several > others. I don't recall seeing any COB

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Paul Sutton
On 24/05/2019 17:51, john doe wrote: > On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: >> On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: >> >>> As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming >>> languages are mostly used? >> C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several >>

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread mick crane
On 2019-05-24 17:14, ghe wrote: On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming languages are mostly used? C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several others. I don't recall seeing any COBOL, though :-)

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread john doe
On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote: > On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > >> As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming >> languages are mostly used? > > C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several > others. I don't recall seeing any COBOL, tho

Re: Backports and upgrade to buster

2019-05-24 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
And hi! :) On 5/23/19, Michael Lange wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 23 May 2019 11:44:14 +0300 > Georgios wrote: > >> Hi there! >> I'm thinking installing debian on a new laptop. The problem is that the >> current version is stretch that comes with an old kernel that doesn't >> support my wifi card. >

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread ghe
On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote: > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > languages are mostly used? C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several others. I don't recall seeing any COBOL, though :-) > I am asking as it helps to giv

I help about Development.

2019-05-24 Thread Ale Frataslafra
Hi I'm Alexandria F., I'm working in a DebianCustomCD( https://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD ), I'm a software developer, i have all versions of your distributions of debian jessie and stretch(gnome,kde,xfce,cinnamon,lxde) downloaded, but im start in contact with you because i have some questi

Re: Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Paul Sutton (2019-05-24 17:08:44) > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming > languages are mostly used? I am asking as it helps to give people an > idea of what they need to learn or will learn as part of helping. > > I am guessing as the default command line

Debian Programming languages

2019-05-24 Thread Paul Sutton
Hi As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming languages are mostly used? I am asking as it helps to give people an idea of what they need to learn or will learn as part of helping. I am guessing as the default command line interface is bash, then bash and bash scripting

Re: Verifying Debian 9.9 with SHA and SHA.signatures

2019-05-24 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, > I've never found any terminal commands to use the checksums, or the > signing key. Have a look at https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/04/msg00214.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2019/04/msg01149.html The first one gives an overview. You already seem to know most of this

Verifying Debian 9.9 with SHA and SHA.signatures

2019-05-24 Thread Stefan.schultz19.5.1991
Hello Debian support, I'm quite new to open source, so learning lots, especially verifying os downloads. I can use the SHAs and SHAs.sign in various distros, but I hit a wall in Debian. I've read a lot on various Debian web pages like 'Verifying authenticity of Debian CDs', and scoured the 120

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-24 Thread Dan Ritter
Erik Josefsson wrote: > On 5/24/19 5:12 AM, David Christensen wrote: > > > > If you get a major brand computer with 64-bit Intel Core technology (ca. > > 2006) or newer, Debian should run on it. > > Great! Thanks! > > The HP Compaq 8200 Elite SFF that I'm about to grab has a Intel Core > i5-240

Re: Debian 10 user accounts

2019-05-24 Thread Francisco M Neto
On Thu, 2019-05-23 at 20:07 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Thu 23 May 2019 at 18:47:48 +0100, Paul Sutton wrote: > Is this how it is meant to do things, or have I missed a step > > somewhere ? > > Being obliged to use sudo? No. I feel I should point out, though, that there are a number of advan

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-24 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 08:15:12AM +, Erik Josefsson wrote: > The HP Compaq 8200 Elite SFF that I'm about to grab has a Intel Core > i5-2400S processor. > > I browsed the Debian installer pages and as far as I understand I should use > "other images (netboot, USB stick, etc.)" for the installa

Re: Need help about development of your distributions.

2019-05-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 03:02:52AM +, Ale Frataslafra wrote: Hello, I'm Alexandria F., I'm a software developer, i have all versions of your distributions of debian jessie and stretch(gnome,kde,xfce,cinnamon,lxde) downloaded, but im start in contact with you because i have some questions abou

Re: What to buy for Buster?

2019-05-24 Thread Erik Josefsson
On 5/24/19 5:12 AM, David Christensen wrote: If you get a major brand computer with 64-bit Intel Core technology (ca. 2006) or newer, Debian should run on it. Great! Thanks! The HP Compaq 8200 Elite SFF that I'm about to grab has a Intel Core i5-2400S processor. I browsed the Debian insta