On Fri 05 Apr 2019 at 14:21:21 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 05 April 2019 11:05:00 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Indeed, and running the UI toolkit code as root was always considered
> > a bad design pattern, even whilst it works under X.
>
> But thats no longer possible wi
On Fri 05 Apr 2019 at 17:01:33 (-0400), Lee wrote:
> On 4/5/19, Reco wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 04:01:50PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> >> On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 12:56:49PM -, Curt wrote:
> >> > My understanding is the problem lies in the Gnome/Wayland combo (which
> >> > is the d
On 2019-04-05 21:13, David Wright wrote:
From this and other posts of yours, you seem to feel very vulnerable
when connected to anywhere outside your system, as if you're under
a man-in-the-middle attack all the time.
Do I come across like that ?
It is probably correct. I think it is because I
On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 09:35, Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
>
> I just found this Ubuntu announcement from January. 17.10 had picked up
> wayland. But 18.04 dropped back to X.org due to stability and app
> compatibility issues:
> https://www.neowin.net/news/ubuntu-1804-will-revert-to-long-in-the-tooth
On 04/05/2019 03:34 PM, Jan Claeys wrote:
On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 16:22 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
How many graphical programs does Debian actually have that are
intended to be run as root on a desktop? It's certainly not "half
the os's utilities". I'd be surprised if there are as many as ten
I just found this Ubuntu announcement from January. 17.03 had picked up
wayland. But 18.04 dropped back to X.org.
https://www.neowin.net/news/ubuntu-1804-will-revert-to-long-in-the-tooth-xorg
On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 4:01 PM Lee wrote:
> On 4/5/19, Reco wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 05,
Received from Gene on Fri, 5 Apr 2019 13:42:57 -0400 Re:
'synaptic' removed from buster
> We all tend to forget these guys like to eat and pay the rent, so
> most have a $dayjob unless a student with an arm long enough to reach
> Daddy's wallet. And we users should not so readily
I just found this Ubuntu announcement from January. 17.10 had picked up
wayland. But 18.04 dropped back to X.org due to stability and app
compatibility issues:
https://www.neowin.net/news/ubuntu-1804-will-revert-to-long-in-the-tooth-xorg
On Fri, Apr 5, 2019, 4:01 PM Lee wrote:
> On 4/5/19, Reco
Hi,
Chris XX wrote:
> I was trying to Verify the authenticity of Debian CDs on your website, but I
> don't see instructions that will guide me through the process
> (step-by-step).
(We are the users. But some Debian Developers are watching, too.)
Obviously there is a gap between checksum file ve
On 4/5/19, Chris XX <1swansb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was trying to Verify the authenticity of Debian CDs on your website, but
> I don't see instructions that will guide me through the process
> (step-by-step).
>
> Can you help and/or fix?
> Thanks, Chris
>
> P.S. this was the site I got stuck on:
On 4/5/19, Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 04:01:50PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 12:56:49PM -, Curt wrote:
>> > My understanding is the problem lies in the Gnome/Wayland combo (which
>> > is the default combo starting with Buster).
>>
>> The p
I was trying to Verify the authenticity of Debian CDs on your website, but
I don't see instructions that will guide me through the process
(step-by-step).
Can you help and/or fix?
Thanks, Chris
P.S. this was the site I got stuck on:
https://www.debian.org/CD/verify
There is a lot of information
On Friday 05 April 2019 15:34:15 Jan Claeys wrote:
> On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 16:22 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > How many graphical programs does Debian actually have that are
> > intended to be run as root on a desktop? It's certainly not "half
> > the os's utilities". I'd be surprised if there
On Fri 05 Apr 2019 at 21:34:15 (+0200), Jan Claeys wrote:
> On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 16:22 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > How many graphical programs does Debian actually have that are
> > intended to be run as root on a desktop? It's certainly not "half
> > the os's utilities". I'd be surprised if
On Fri 05 Apr 2019 at 11:07:42 (+0100), mick crane wrote:
> On 2019-04-05 10:51, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 08:43:32AM +0100, mick crane wrote:
> > > On 2019-04-05 07:46, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > >On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 07:37:05AM +0100, mick crane wrote:
> > > >
> >
On 4/5/19 8:07 AM, Pierre Fourès wrote:
Hi,
I'm in the process of rebuilding new virtual instances for the Desktop
user's of my company. We provides these instance in order to be able
to run the validated software stack on non-validated software stacks
(ie. running a virtual box inside a custom
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On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 16:22 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> How many graphical programs does Debian actually have that are
> intended to be run as root on a desktop? It's certainly not "half
> the os's utilities". I'd be surprised if there are as many as ten.
Another well-known one is GParted, whi
On 04/05/2019 01:36 PM, Andy Smith wrote:
Hello,
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 07:44:32AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
I installed Buster *only* because an application I'm investigating requires
the version of Python in Buster.
Another option may be to use "virtualenv" or a similar trick to run
jus
Hi Abhishek,
The Debian Indian Community may also be able to provide more local
knowledge. - may even be some of them at your institution.
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianIndia
Cheers,
Andy
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Hello,
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 07:44:32AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> I installed Buster *only* because an application I'm investigating requires
> the version of Python in Buster.
Another option may be to use "virtualenv" or a similar trick to run
just the upstream Python and required modules
On Friday 05 April 2019 11:05:00 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
[...]
> Indeed, and running the UI toolkit code as root was always considered
> a bad design pattern, even whilst it works under X.
But thats no longer possible with X, root cannot use the users display.
And for me, the only user on this
On Thu 04 Apr 2019 at 15:50:59 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Thursday 04 April 2019 14:56:09 David Wright wrote:
> > On Thu 04 Apr 2019 at 13:12:58 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote:
> > > Gene Heskett composed on 2019-04-04 10:39 (UTC-0400):
> > > > So how _exactly_ do I make the installer take what
On Friday 05 April 2019 09:08:33 Felix Miata wrote:
> Gene Heskett composed on 2019-04-05 06:03 (UTC-0400):
> > On Friday 05 April 2019 04:09:55 Felix Miata wrote:
> >> Were you running MC in TDE? Have you set its screen power save to
> >> maximum 120 minutes (as I do)?
> >
> > MC has no such opti
On 05/04/2019 16:52, Abhishek wrote:
> Respected Concern,
> Hi, Myself Abhishek. I am Currently Pursuing my
> Bachelor in Engineering degree from Nagpur University. I am in First
> Year. I am a tech savvy Guy. Currently I work as Web Developer. I am
> also a Open Source learner
On 04/05/2019 01:13 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Friday 05 April 2019 08:34:09 Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
On 4/5/19, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 08:07:25AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
I need to fix the disk partition labels on this 2T drive I've
installed stretch on.
tune2fs
On Friday 05 April 2019 09:03:40 Francisco M Neto wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 14:46 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> > To add to what Curt and Reco have said: Running Synaptic using a
> > Wayland/Gnome combo,by clicking on an icon, it doesn't start. Not
> > very helpful, I think you
On Friday 05 April 2019 08:58:42 Felix Miata wrote:
> Gene Heskett composed on 2019-04-05 08:07 (UTC-0400):
> > I need to fix the disk partition labels on this 2T drive I've
> > installed stretch on.
> >
> > tune2fs on wheezy is too old, won't touch the stretch prepared
> > drive.
> >
> > I haven'
On Friday 05 April 2019 08:34:09 Cindy Sue Causey wrote:
> On 4/5/19, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 08:07:25AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> I need to fix the disk partition labels on this 2T drive I've
> >> installed stretch on.
> >>
> >> tune2fs on wheezy is too old, won
Respected Concern,
Hi, Myself Abhishek. I am Currently Pursuing my Bachelor
in Engineering degree from Nagpur University. I am in First Year. I am a
tech savvy Guy. Currently I work as Web Developer. I am also a Open Source
learner. I am learning Android nowadays. I keep learning
Hi.
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 04:01:50PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 12:56:49PM -, Curt wrote:
> > My understanding is the problem lies in the Gnome/Wayland combo (which
> > is the default combo starting with Buster).
>
> The problem there, IMHO, is Wayland
On Sat, 2019-04-06 at 00:29 +1100, David wrote:
> On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 00:25, Francisco M Neto wrote:
> > Have a good day, gentlemen.
>
> Why are the good wishes to gentlemen only?
Proverbial gentlemen. Ladies and other gender denominations are,
naturally, all included <3
Francisco
s
On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 02:00:54PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
I have gone thru the netinstall of 9.8.0 at least 5 times. 1st time
failed for unk reasons, but would not reboot. 2nd time I let the
partitioner have its way on a 2T drive wiith a separate /home, so it
gave / 30GB and and about 17 gb
Hi,
I'm in the process of rebuilding new virtual instances for the Desktop
user's of my company. We provides these instance in order to be able
to run the validated software stack on non-validated software stacks
(ie. running a virtual box inside a custom installed Linux, or on OSX
or Windows). Th
On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 04:22:43PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote:
How many graphical programs does Debian actually have that are intended
to be run as root on a desktop? It's certainly not "half the os's
utilities". I'd be surprised if there are as many as ten.
Indeed, and running the UI toolkit
On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 04:15:32PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
I didn't intend to say it was simple. Its also incorrect. Fix one or the
other, but I don't expect it to be "simple". You fix wayland once, or
you fix half the os's utilities.
The "fix" you describe for Wayland would be to remove th
On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 12:56:49PM -, Curt wrote:
My understanding is the problem lies in the Gnome/Wayland combo (which
is the default combo starting with Buster).
The problem there, IMHO, is Wayland being the default desktop choice.
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On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 00:25, Francisco M Neto wrote:
>
> Have a good day, gentlemen.
Why are the good wishes to gentlemen only?
Greetings!
On Thu, 2019-04-04 at 14:46 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> To add to what Curt and Reco have said: Running Synaptic using a
> Wayland/Gnome combo,by clicking on an icon, it doesn't start. Not very
> helpful, I think you'll agree. Especially for software that's aimed
> squarely at GUI use
Gene Heskett composed on 2019-04-05 06:03 (UTC-0400):
> On Friday 05 April 2019 04:09:55 Felix Miata wrote:
>> Were you running MC in TDE? Have you set its screen power save to
>> maximum 120 minutes (as I do)?
> MC has no such option. TDE I haven't checked yet. But PI sure wouldn't
> think it
Gene Heskett composed on 2019-04-05 08:07 (UTC-0400):
> I need to fix the disk partition labels on this 2T drive I've installed
> stretch on.
> tune2fs on wheezy is too old, won't touch the stretch prepared drive.
> I haven't found a tune2fs yet on stretch, but did after 10 minutes of
# which
On 04/04/2019 07:20 AM, Curt wrote:
On 2019-04-04, David wrote:
People accustomed to using synaptic might want to begin considering
alternative tools, because synaptic has been removed from buster.
More info:
https://tracker.debian.org/news/1037065/synaptic-removed-from-testing/
https://tracke
On 4/5/19, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 08:07:25AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> I need to fix the disk partition labels on this 2T drive I've installed
>> stretch on.
>>
>> tune2fs on wheezy is too old, won't touch the stretch prepared drive.
>>
>> I haven't found a tune2fs y
On Friday 05 April 2019 08:13:14 to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 08:07:25AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I need to fix the disk partition labels on this 2T drive I've
> > installed stretch on.
> >
> > tune2fs on wheezy is too old, won't touch the stretch prepared
> > drive.
> >
On Thursday, April 04, 2019 05:23:33 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks to all who replied, and thanks for the flattering comments ;-)
^^
I should have said "thanks for the vote of confidence".
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 08:07:25AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> I need to fix the disk partition labels on this 2T drive I've installed
> stretch on.
>
> tune2fs on wheezy is too old, won't touch the stretch prepared drive.
>
> I haven't found a tune2fs yet on stretch, but did after 10 minutes o
I need to fix the disk partition labels on this 2T drive I've installed
stretch on.
tune2fs on wheezy is too old, won't touch the stretch prepared drive.
I haven't found a tune2fs yet on stretch, but did after 10 minutes of
putzing, get a root session of gparted going, but of course the device
On Friday, April 05, 2019 03:39:34 AM Curt wrote:
> On 2019-04-04, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > (I may ask another question in a few minutes which may make everyone
> > question my competence ;-)
>
> Well, you top-posted so we're taking off two points on your competency
> report anyway.
>
> ;-)
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 12:46:28PM +0100, mick crane wrote:
> On 2019-04-05 12:37, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 12:28:18PM +0100, mick crane wrote:
[...]
> well su root and then enter root's password always seemed to work.
Yes, of course. I was arguing with the "normal user
On 2019-04-05 12:37, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 12:28:18PM +0100, mick crane wrote:
[...]
probably I don't understand. What I'm mooting is who knows what
skillful cracker can get hold of your account credentials when
online. If user can't do root stuff on strength of their
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 12:28:18PM +0100, mick crane wrote:
[...]
> probably I don't understand. What I'm mooting is who knows what
> skillful cracker can get hold of your account credentials when
> online. If user can't do root stuff on strength of their own
> password then any malignant activit
On 2019-04-05 11:27, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 11:07:42AM +0100, mick crane wrote:
[...]
well normal user isn't supposed to do system things. Sudo makes me
nervous.
You don't seem to understand sudo.
It lets you control finely under which conditions a normal user
is ab
Hi,
Felix Miata wrote:
> > Never have I seen any other PC reliably take *so* long. Its
> > master /boot partition begins @282.4MB, ends @682.5.
Gene Heskett wrote:
> 600 something is beyond the reach of some bios, I seen the figure 504megs
> bandied about from several sources.
That would be 20 b
On Fri 05 Apr 2019 at 11:08:12 +0100, Paul Sutton wrote:
> I am about to install a fresh download of Debian 10 on to a netbook and
> was wondering which lists I could perhaps also join to help with
> reporting problems, bugs or hopefully report things are working fine.
>
> I was thinking https://
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 11:07:42AM +0100, mick crane wrote:
[...]
> well normal user isn't supposed to do system things. Sudo makes me
> nervous.
You don't seem to understand sudo.
It lets you control finely under which conditions a normal user
is able to change to root. One posibility (one edi
On 2019-04-05 10:51, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 08:43:32AM +0100, mick crane wrote:
On 2019-04-05 07:46, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 07:37:05AM +0100, mick crane wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>Making you be root to download stuff off the internet never seemed
>>lik
Hi
I am about to install a fresh download of Debian 10 on to a netbook and
was wondering which lists I could perhaps also join to help with
reporting problems, bugs or hopefully report things are working fine.
I was thinking https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/
But maybe there is a more approp
On Friday 05 April 2019 04:09:55 Felix Miata wrote:
> Gene Heskett composed on 2019-04-04 15:09 (UTC-0400):
> > ...I had other things to do and left mc running but sitting idle
> > while I attended to the washing machine and walked to the mailbox to
> > get todays mail. On returning, the screen
On 2019-04-05 10:06, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Friday 05 April 2019 02:37:05 mick crane wrote:
On 2019-04-04 20:57, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 03:46:52PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> The solution seems simple enough, fix wayland. This is after all a
>> multiuser and multitask
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 08:43:32AM +0100, mick crane wrote:
> On 2019-04-05 07:46, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> >On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 07:37:05AM +0100, mick crane wrote:
> >
> >[...]
> >
> >>Making you be root to download stuff off the internet never seemed
> >>like a good idea.
> >
> >And letting
On Friday 05 April 2019 03:15:25 Felix Miata wrote:
> Gene Heskett composed on 2019-04-04 15:38 (UTC-0400):
> ...
>
> > Not with this math crippled bios bearing a 2006 copyright. It MUST
> > be wholly within the first couple hundred megabytes of the beginning
> > of the disk or it can't find it, a
On Friday 05 April 2019 02:37:05 mick crane wrote:
> On 2019-04-04 20:57, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 03:46:52PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> The solution seems simple enough, fix wayland. This is after all a
> >> multiuser and multitasking OS, why go out of the way, way o
Gene Heskett composed on 2019-04-04 15:09 (UTC-0400):
> ...I had other things to do and left mc running but sitting idle
> while I attended to the washing machine and walked to the mailbox to get
> todays mail. On returning, the screen had been blanked. Nothing on the
> keyboard or mouse woul
On 2019-04-05 07:46, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
On Fri, Apr 05, 2019 at 07:37:05AM +0100, mick crane wrote:
[...]
Making you be root to download stuff off the internet never seemed
like a good idea.
And letting "you" (not root) install things in system directories
(/usr/bin et al) seems to be a
On 2019-04-04, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> (I may ask another question in a few minutes which may make everyone question
> my competence ;-)
Well, you top-posted so we're taking off two points on your competency
report anyway.
;-)
Gene Heskett composed on 2019-04-04 15:38 (UTC-0400):
...
> Not with this math crippled bios bearing a 2006 copyright. It MUST be
> wholly within the first couple hundred megabytes of the beginning of the
> disk or it can't find it, and it is the most recent bios available for
> an Asus M2N-SLI
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