On 27.03.19 11:07, mick crane wrote:
> On 2019-03-26 19:27, Wayne Sallee wrote:
> > I use vim.
> >
> > Log in as user that will use vim, and run the following command:
> >
> > cat > .vimrc << "EOF"
> > set nosi noai
> > set number
> >
> I have line numbers as the default but copy/paste with the
On Fri, 2019-03-29 at 12:48 +1100, Ben Finney wrote:
> deloptes writes:
>
> > I've been there exactly 17y ago. I still have no idea where lisp is used
> > except in Emacs and some exotic projects, so being pragmatic ... good for
> > you who know emacs - for the rest good that you do not know emac
On 28.03.19 21:32, Matyáš Bobek wrote:
> I reckon writing vim extensions in C must be quite obscure... How is it
> done?
It's not. They are written in vimscript, analogous to elisp. There is a
large landscape of add-ons written in the language, and a choice of
managers to automate the minor tedium
On 28.03.19 12:34, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:
> Once you start using Emacs macros and see the benefit, you likely shall find
> yourself creating and using numerous macros within each editing session.
> You demonstrate once to the robot, and the robot faithfully mimics you,
> without error. The onl
deloptes writes:
> I've been there exactly 17y ago. I still have no idea where lisp is used
> except in Emacs and some exotic projects, so being pragmatic ... good for
> you who know emacs - for the rest good that you do not know emacs.
I've been a happy and productive Emacs user for more than 1
Matyáš Bobek wrote:
> I reckon writing vim extensions in C must be quite obscure... How is it
> done?
I just started with C and never needed to write extension so far, but I did
use C to solve some kernel bugs :D
On 3/28/19 9:17 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> No. Because the least Google track is your IP address. It is true that
> Tor is meant to obscure your IP address, but "trackers", in your use
> of the word, are mostly Javascript code snippets (sometimes invisible
> images and things like that) made to
Johann Spies [28.03.2019, 10:38 +0200]:
> I, so far, did not manage to use hunspell with emacs. After reading a lot
> on the internet, inter alia emacs-wiki and stackexchange and trying out
> different recipes, still no success.
>
> My latest effort in .emacs:
>
> (with-eval-after-load "ispell"
>
On Wednesday 27 March 2019 19:29:55 Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >On Wednesday 27 March 2019 13:31:35 Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >> In article <201903271310.25490.ghesk...@shentel.net> you write:
> >> >I pulled and burnt the netinstall, bad burn or bad checksum, but
> >> > can't find
I reckon writing vim extensions in C must be quite obscure... How is it
done?
On 3/28/19 9:24 PM, deloptes wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
>
>> In fact, much of what we now know as Emacs *is* extensions written in
>> Elisp and many more extensions are available. You no more need to know
>> Elisp to u
Pierre Fourès wrote:
>> So there are many nifty things in Emacs. But the real killer
>> is the integration of all those nifty things.
>>
>
> Wow, this gave me the desire to give a real serious try to Emacs !
Don't sell your soul to the devil (jokingly) :D
John Hasler wrote:
> In fact, much of what we now know as Emacs *is* extensions written in
> Elisp and many more extensions are available. You no more need to know
> Elisp to use them or to install additional ones than you need to know C
> to use Vim.
I prefer learning C ;-)
Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> d> really, I did not know that you could be me and you knew my
> d> experience. Anyway emacs is not bad for those who know it, but it
> d> is impractical because you have mostly vim installed, so learning
> d> vim is a must indeed.
>
> Your words would be very differen
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Eating roquefort is impractical because you gotta drink wine anyway :-)
>
hahaha, true!
> Look -- you can do both (I do). If you're looking for excuses to stay
> away from Emacs: no need to, just do. But as little need to spread FUD
> about Emacs. Yes, Emacs is a decent
On 3/28/19, André Rodier wrote:
> On 2019-03-28 16:12, John Hasler wrote:
>> tomas writes:
>>> No. Because the least Google track is your IP address. It is true that
>>> Tor is meant to obscure your IP address, but "trackers", in your use
>>> of the word, are mostly Javascript code snippets (somet
rlharris writes:
> Coming from a rodentless background (typewriter, early dedicated word
> processors, and even M$ Word 5.0 for DOS), I have little use for the
> rodent, and I have even less tolerance for the beast. From my
> perspective, the rodent is not a cute little "mouse"; it is an ugly
> a
On 3/28/19, John Hasler wrote:
> rhkramer writes:
>> Not responding specifically to the following, but keyboard / keystroke
>> macros are not a strictly EMACS function, and I don't think EMACS was
>> first.
>
> TEMACS had them, of course. In fact, that's pretty much what TEMACS
> *was*. Emacs wa
On 2019-03-26, Mike Malcolm wrote:
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>
> Hello,
>
> My project has failed to deploy and I'm seeing that there is a 404 error
> when trying to access jessie-updates.
>
> When I go to http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/
>
> I
On 2019.03.28 12:58, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
Not responding specifically to the following, but keyboard / keystroke
macros
are not a strictly EMACS function, and I don't think EMACS was first.
...
Just saying, you don't need EMACS to get the benefit of keyboard
macros.
The package with whi
rhkramer writes:
> Not responding specifically to the following, but keyboard / keystroke
> macros are not a strictly EMACS function, and I don't think EMACS was
> first.
TEMACS had them, of course. In fact, that's pretty much what TEMACS
*was*. Emacs was initially built on TEMACS.
No, you don'
Not responding specifically to the following, but keyboard / keystroke macros
are not a strictly EMACS function, and I don't think EMACS was first. I can't
remember all of them, I do know nedit has them, I sort of recall that wordstar
or the shareware editor that used the same keyboard shortcut
Le mar. 26 mars 2019 à 13:45, Pierre Fourès a écrit :
>
> My current /etc/apt/sources.list looks like this :
> > deb http://http.debian.net/debian jessie main
> > deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main
> > deb http://archive.debian.org/debian jessie-backports main
>
> It now just feel
On 2019.03.28 03:16, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
"r" == rlharris writes:
r> Need to make alterations to dozens of lines? If you can figure out
r> a repetitive sequence of keystrokes to accomplish the change, you
...
Or said with other words:
- replace a repetitive task where you are part of a
On 2019-03-28, John Hasler wrote:
> Gian writes:
>> [*] I lost the source where I read that in an organization even
>> secretaries used Emacs, and that these secretaries learnt how to do
>> "useful things" without a problem. Mostly because they were unaware
>> they were programming.
>
> It was sec
John W. M. Stevens wrote:
> 2) Does anybody have a working example configuration for such a thing?
Sure.
Please not I don't use any configuration for int0, int1, ext0 and ext1.
You need to do that on Ubuntu because of something they broke. It is
not needed in Debian.
This is the fill working
Le jeu. 28 mars 2019 à 11:32, a écrit :
>
> If you find that interesting...
>
> imagine you're running your emacs (as a server) and want to
> [...]
>
> Bam :-)
>
> So there are many nifty things in Emacs. But the real killer
> is the integration of all those nifty things.
>
Wow, this gave me the
I've tried six different sets of instructions, and at this point, I'm at
a loss. Is it even possible to set up an 802.3ad bond that uses VLAN
tagging under Debian 9.1?
I have a working setup with bonding. I need to modify this setup to
VLAN tag the bond.
The working setup is:
auto bond0
i
Gian writes:
> [*] I lost the source where I read that in an organization even
> secretaries used Emacs, and that these secretaries learnt how to do
> "useful things" without a problem. Mostly because they were unaware
> they were programming.
It was secretaries in the patent department at Bell La
On Thu 28 Mar 2019 at 08:30:47 (+), Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > "JH" == John Hasler writes:
>
> JH> deloptes writes:
> >> learning emacs means learning lisp
>
> JH> Not true.
>
> In my experience is true. But needs some more words.
>
> When you intensively start using Emacs, and you s
rhkra...@gmail.com [2019-03-28 12:00:44-04] wrote:
> I think I got the gist of most of it, but I don't understand why the
> double parenthesis around "((inhibit-read-only t))"?
"let" is a special operator which creates new variable bindings. The
syntax is like this:
(let list-of-variable-bin
tomas writes:
> No. Because the least Google track is your IP address. It is true that
> Tor is meant to obscure your IP address, but "trackers", in your use
> of the word, are mostly Javascript code snippets (sometimes invisible
> images and things like that) made to convince your browser to betra
On 28.03.19 13:43, Peter Wiersig wrote:
> basti writes:
>> On 28.03.19 08:21, Peter Wiersig wrote:
>>> basti writes:
>> Try scp:
>>
>> /usr/sbin/sshd -d -p
>>
>> Starting session: command for alice from 2.206.185.146 port 45296 id 0
>
> So that reads as if all is fine, but then the next
As an exercise for myself (having once had to "learn" Lisp in school, and more
than once having tried to learn to use EMACS (before the days of the mouse and
menu, iirc)), I decided to see if I could understand any of the code.
I think I got the gist of most of it, but I don't understand why t
> "JH" == John Hasler writes:
JH> In fact, much of what we now know as Emacs *is* extensions written
JH> in Elisp and many more extensions are available.
Emacs is written mostly in Elisp. What is not in lisp, AFAIK, is the
interpreter and the most used and heavy functions.
JH> You no more n
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 08:27:08AM -0600, ghe wrote:
> On 3/28/19 1:18 AM, André Rodier wrote:
>
> > Is there any advantage, in terms of privacy, to download Debian packages
> > over the Tor network?
>
> Tor's job is to keep the trackers away by bouncing your packets around
> so Google starts tra
> "JH" == John Hasler writes:
JH> deloptes writes:
>> learning emacs means learning lisp
JH> Not true.
In my experience is true. But needs some more words.
When you intensively start using Emacs, and you start asking to the
editor "Oh, True One Editor, what is the meaning of this keystroke
On 3/28/19 1:18 AM, André Rodier wrote:
> Is there any advantage, in terms of privacy, to download Debian packages
> over the Tor network?
Tor's job is to keep the trackers away by bouncing your packets around
so Google starts tracking the wrong IP address. But the last hop is in
the clear, so it
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 09:15:19AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> David writes:
> > So we're left wondering why you've stated that learning emacs
> > necessarily involves learning lisp, either beforehand or at the same
> > time.
[...]
> There is also the fact that the configuration file is written i
David writes:
> So we're left wondering why you've stated that learning emacs
> necessarily involves learning lisp, either beforehand or at the same
> time.
Probably because Emacs advocates often over-enthuse about extensibility,
giving the erroneous impression that knowing how to write extensions
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 08:00:27AM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> Gian Uberto Lauri writes:
> > But vim is an attempt to rewrite emacs the wrong way.
>
> I don't think that's fair [...]
Me neither. And this is slowly sliding into That Kind Of
Flame War. I had that already... over twenty years ago.
> "JH" == John Hasler writes:
JH> Gian Uberto Lauri writes:
>> But vim is an attempt to rewrite emacs the wrong way.
JH> I don't think that's fair.
I disagree. After all Editor MACroS was once a set of macros for an
editor called TECO, while vim is an extension of vi - that required
even th
On Thu 28 Mar 2019 at 07:51:53 (+0100), deloptes wrote:
> John Hasler wrote:
>
> > Not true.
[… in response to "exactly - learning emacs means learning lisp - what
for? I switched years ago to ne."]
> really, I did not know that you could be me and you knew my experience.
> Anyway emacs is not b
Gian Uberto Lauri writes:
> But vim is an attempt to rewrite emacs the wrong way.
I don't think that's fair. Vim is an attempt to extend Vi. I don't
like it and always run it in "compatible" mode, but that's because Vi
was the first text editor I learned.
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elm
basti writes:
> On 28.03.19 08:21, Peter Wiersig wrote:
>> basti writes:
> Try scp:
>
> /usr/sbin/sshd -d -p
>
> Starting session: command for alice from 2.206.185.146 port 45296 id 0
So that reads as if all is fine, but then the next line indicates that
the client has terminated the connec
>writes:
> imagine you're running your emacs (as a server) and want to edit
> that one system file (say /etc/apt/sources.list) as sudo (without
> starting an Emacs instance as root).
I do not like sudo. In my NSHO it has a lot of hidden traps and is
shipped in a way that [profanities].
>
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:47:02AM +, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
[snipped the big CC list, probably unintentional]
> In Italian, sudo means "I sweat" :)
In Spanish too: perhaps that's why I like it.
I long for summers...
Cheers
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> "td" == tomas@tuxteam de writes:
td> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:07:58AM +, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
>> > writes:
td> To each its own, hey. As long as you don't sling profanities at me
Unless you are sudo mantainer :) :) :) (and even in that case, it's
the way sudo is configured b
On 28.03.19 12:15, wrote:
> Did you use Russ' supplied script
> /usr/share/doc/rss/examples/mkchroot.sh to create that environment?
>
> My contents after that script look quite different to your presented
> files.
>
> Did you act on the logging notice after using the script, so that the
> syslo
so thanks brother
have a nice day
Peyvand
On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 2:47 AM David Wright
wrote:
> On Wed 20 Mar 2019 at 03:45:23 (+0330), Iman P. wrote:
> > I have received lots of mails in my inbox. I checked account setting, but
> > didn't find any item about it.
> > how can I cancel this flow
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 11:07:58AM +, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> >writes:
[Tramp sudo method]
> I do not like sudo. In my NSHO it has a lot of hidden traps and is
> shipped in a way that [profanities].
To each its own, hey. As long as you don't sling profanities at me
(I /do/ like su
basti writes:
>
> Files inside chroot:
>
> /home/user# find ./
> ./
> ./bin
> ./bin/ls
> ./bin/date
> ./bin/bash
> ./.ssh
> ./.ssh/authorized_keys
> ./lib
> ./lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
> ./lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libattr.so.1
> ./lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5
> ./lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/librt.so.1
> .
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 08:32:40AM +, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
> > "TL" == Teemu Likonen writes:
>
>
> TL> $ emacs /ssh:user@middle-machine\|ssh:user@target-machine:file
>
> This is wickedly interesting!
If you find that interesting...
imagine you're running your emacs (as a serve
> "d" == deloptes writes:
d> really, I did not know that you could be me and you knew my
d> experience. Anyway emacs is not bad for those who know it, but it
d> is impractical because you have mostly vim installed, so learning
d> vim is a must indeed.
Your words would be very different if
> "TL" == Teemu Likonen writes:
TL> $ emacs /ssh:user@middle-machine\|ssh:user@target-machine:file
This is wickedly interesting!
T H A N KY O U !
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wrote:
> Hello
>
>
> Does anybody know why we have to entries in our process list of the
> same cronjob?.
> [...]
> The cronjob-file:
> * * * * * php /var/www/html/bin/console Mailings --env=dev
>
> There ist only one entry in the cronjob-file and t
> "r" == rlharris writes:
r> As well as being easy to use for general word processing, Emacs
r> excels in the work of writing scripts, in which the
r> "COMPOSE-A-NEW-MACRO-WHENEVER-YOU-NEED-IT;IT-TAKES-ONLY-A-FEW-SECONDS"
r> ability of Emacs is invaluable. After all, the name Emacs is an
r>
Hello
Does anybody know why we have to entries in our process list of the same
cronjob?
We run as root: "ps -aux"
Result:
...
root 21514 0.0 0.0 48824 2692 ?S10:28 0:00 /usr/sbin/CRON
-f
root 21517 0.0 0.0 4276 796 ?Ss 10:28 0:00 /bin/sh -c php
/
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 08:39:42AM +, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote:
[...]
> LOL. Maybe some gongorzola with mascarpone could be more pratical?
:-)
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Hi
Not sure if this is really the right place for this.
In an effort to reach out to people and recruit much needed help for
contributors to free software, I just wondered if there were any
examples of where people have gained either full time work or full time
education places as a result of c
On 28.03.19 08:21, Peter Wiersig wrote:
> basti writes:
>
>> sftp -vv u...@example.com
>> Transferred: sent 2508, received 2260 bytes, in 0.2 seconds
>> Bytes per second: sent 15924.1, received 14349.5
>> debug1: Exit status 1
>> Connection closed
>>
>>
>> scp -vv u...@example.com:/foo /tmp
>> Tr
On 3/28/19 7:40 AM, basti wrote:
> https://deb.sury.org/
>
> On 28.03.19 06:15, gro.nai...@lagelagelage.ch wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know when PHP 7.1 becomes to a stable version in debian stretch?
>> Is there a roadmap?
>>
Or you can use Docker and PHP images
https://hub.docker.com/
>writes:
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 07:51:53AM +0100, deloptes wrote: [...]
>> Anyway emacs is not bad for those who know it, but it is
>> impractical because you have mostly vim installed, so learning vim
>> is a must indeed.
> Eating roquefort is impractical because you gotta drink wine
I, so far, did not manage to use hunspell with emacs. After reading a lot
on the internet, inter alia emacs-wiki and stackexchange and trying out
different recipes, still no success.
My latest effort in .emacs:
(with-eval-after-load "ispell"
(setq ispell-program-name "hunspell")
(setq ispell
On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 08:21:41PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> >> I use vim.
> > I use crispr!
>
> I was tempted to try it out, but I heard it only handles
> a 4-char alphabet. How do you handle accents?
They just went Unicode ;-)
Cheers
[1] http://science.sciencemag.org/content/363/6429/88
On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 07:51:53AM +0100, deloptes wrote:
[...]
> Anyway emacs is not bad for those who know it, but it is impractical because
> you have mostly vim installed, so learning vim is a must indeed.
Eating roquefort is impractical because you gotta drink wine anyway :-)
Look -- you c
basti writes:
> sftp -vv u...@example.com
> Transferred: sent 2508, received 2260 bytes, in 0.2 seconds
> Bytes per second: sent 15924.1, received 14349.5
> debug1: Exit status 1
> Connection closed
>
>
> scp -vv u...@example.com:/foo /tmp
> Transferred: sent 2508, received 2304 bytes, in 0.2 sec
Hi,
i wrote:
> > Is your jigdo-lite old enough at all to suffer from the https
> > blindness ?
Gene Heskett wrote:
> I have 7.3 on wheezy
So you would have to download the .jigdo and .template files manually
by wget or web browser. If you then run jigdo-lite in the directory
with the downloaded
gro.nai...@lagelagelage.ch wrote:
> Does anyone know when PHP 7.1 becomes to a stable version in debian stretch?
PHP7.1 will *never* come to Debian Stretch.
You can get an up-to-date version of PHP for Debian from the external
repository of Ondřej Surý at deb.sury.org. Ondřej is the DD responsib
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