Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices

Felix Miata wrote: > IME, using net.ifnames=0, the motherboard NIC closer to an ATX power > supply is always eth0. With BTX I've never had two NICs, but have to > suppose it would be the opposite. I think PCI(e) resources flow the same > direction, from CPU & PS/2 port end to last slot end. inter

Re: blank time in console too short

On Fri 22 Mar 2019 at 21:16:11 (+0100), Hans wrote: > Am Freitag, 22. März 2019, 20:45:13 CET schrieb bw: > > In-Reply-To: <4205892.cicxXhXihB@protheus2> > > > > >Both systems got an identical configuration but behave different. > > > > I'm confused, did you try the methods you mentioned with no

Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On Fri 22 Mar 2019 at 16:16:51 (-0400), deb wrote: > On 3/22/19 4:00 PM, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 22 Mar 2019 at 14:00:24 (-0400), deb wrote: > > > On 3/22/19 1:48 PM, Curt wrote: > > > > On 2019-03-22, deb wrote: > > > > > > Depending on what's on the disk, it might be more useful to just u

Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On Fri 22 Mar 2019 at 21:19:19 (-0400), deb wrote: > On 3/22/19 7:39 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 04:23:32PM -0400, deb wrote: > > > On 3/22/19 4:07 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 03:00:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > > > If you're really worr

Thanks for the help today folks

I will summarize them all up. Thanks

Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On 3/22/19 4:25 PM, David Wright wrote: On Fri 22 Mar 2019 at 16:07:24 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 03:00:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: If you're really worried, first remount the partitions readonly, which will fail if they're in use. Then unmount them and disconne

Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On 3/22/19 7:39 PM, Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 04:23:32PM -0400, deb wrote: On 3/22/19 4:07 PM, Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 03:00:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: If you're really worried, first remount the partitions readonly, which will fail if they're in

Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On 3/22/19 4:21 PM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: On 3/22/19, David Wright wrote: On Fri 22 Mar 2019 at 14:00:24 (-0400), deb wrote: Just a reminder -- the bulk of mine are Seagate Backup Plus (1-5TB. USB 3.0). On Windows, when you dismount (Safely Remove) these the light goes off. I've never see

Re: Ways to verify tools/applications? Fire support for new users

On 3/22/19 4:22 PM, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 2:52 PM deb > wrote: They won't all be admins, but the top tech folks will be. (But, those are likely the ones who will cause the most trouble). Do you know how to "disable" select a

Re: youtube video downloader for chrome

On Thu 21 Mar 2019 at 14:24:08 (-0700), Fred wrote: > On 03/21/2019 11:57 AM, David Wright wrote: > > On Thu 21 Mar 2019 at 10:17:11 (-0700), Fred wrote: > > > On 03/21/2019 08:41 AM, David Wright wrote: > > > > On Thu 21 Mar 2019 at 15:38:41 (+0100), Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 20 Mar

Re: youtube video downloader for chrome

On Wed 20 Mar 2019 at 18:21:20 (-0400), Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 15:00:12 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 20, 2019 02:10:57 PM David Wright wrote: > > > Actually I don't call youtube-dl as above, because I have two helper > > > functions which do things like hist

Re: Ways to verify tools/applications? Fire support for new users

On 3/22/19 7:43 PM, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:44:15AM -0400, deb wrote: Are there list-suggested ways to help verify non-free / out-of-stable-distro or even seldomly updated in-distro tools, PRE-INSTALL? If in your /etc/apt/sources.list you stick to one distribution

Re: Reco - Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

Hi deb I don't know why you have a habit of editing the message subject to add people's names, but I ask you to stop doing it. Please only edit the message subject when it no longer represents the content of the message. Please note: 1) Everybody else here does this. When participating in a comm

Acess Devian 9 laptop by another devica via wifi

I travel often with a hefty laptop running Debian 9 and like to do casual programming on it remotely via a terminal app (Termius) on an iPad. In many situations I am able to access the laptop when on a wireless LAN by getting its IP address with "sudo ifconfig" and simply using that address in Term

Re: Ways to verify tools/applications? Fire support for new users

Hello, On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:44:15AM -0400, deb wrote: > Are there list-suggested ways to help verify non-free / out-of-stable-distro > or even seldomly updated in-distro tools, PRE-INSTALL? If in your /etc/apt/sources.list you stick to one distribution and don't include "contrib" and "non-f

Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 04:23:32PM -0400, deb wrote: On 3/22/19 4:07 PM, Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 03:00:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: If you're really worried, first remount the partitions readonly, which will fail if they're in use. Then unmount them and disconnect. Ju

Re: Other lists? Fire support for new users

Hello, On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:31:07AM -0400, deb wrote: > For someone trying to pull Windows (and Mac) users into Linux > does anyone have: > > Preferred other email lists, for new users? Honestly I don't recommend mailing lists for technical support. Especially this one where moderation is

Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices

ghe composed on 2019-03-22 16:14 (UTC-0600): > But when I'm looking to connect a cable, the location of the port on the > outside of the box is much more useful to me than the address number on > the bus. > When writing software, though, the bus address becomes more important > than the location.

Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices

On 3/22/19 1:56 PM, Joe wrote: > The 'p' is for PCI, and they are numbered for their PCI bus position. That makes some sense. But when I'm looking to connect a cable, the location of the port on the outside of the box is much more useful to me than the address number on the bus. When writing so

Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On 2019-03-22, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > > For my instances, the drive was mounted but very idle... except for > those times the light would start beaconing when I landed on that one > consumer website. AFAIK unmounted hard drives are inaccessible to the operating system by definition. Wrong

Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On 3/22/19, deb wrote: > > A given drive should behave the same on Windows & Linux as far as lights > on/off/dimming. > > But as I noted earlier, on Windows, the light is OFF, signaling no drive > activity upon being removed. > > On debian 9.8, it stays on, after repeated dismounts. > > > Hence my

Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On 3/22/19, deb wrote: > > A given drive should behave the same on Windows & Linux as far as lights > on/off/dimming. > > But as I noted earlier, on Windows, the light is OFF, signaling no drive > activity upon being removed. > > On debian 9.8, it stays on, after repeated dismounts. > > > Hence my

Re: Curt --- Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On Fri 22 Mar 2019 at 16:07:24 (-0400), Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 03:00:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > If you're really worried, first remount the partitions readonly, which > > will fail if they're in use. Then unmount them and disconnect. > > Just unmount--that will fai

Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On 3/22/19 4:07 PM, Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 03:00:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: If you're really worried, first remount the partitions readonly, which will fail if they're in use. Then unmount them and disconnect. Just unmount--that will fail if the partition is in use

Re: Ways to verify tools/applications? Fire support for new users

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 2:52 PM deb wrote: > > They won't all be admins, but the top tech folks will be. > (But, those are likely the ones who will cause the most trouble). > Do you know how to "disable" select administrative commands using /etc/sudoers? It can be useful in these situations. You

Re: Curt --- Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On 3/22/19, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 22 Mar 2019 at 14:00:24 (-0400), deb wrote: >> >> Just a reminder -- the bulk of mine are Seagate Backup Plus (1-5TB. >> USB 3.0). >> On Windows, when you dismount (Safely Remove) these >> the light goes off. > > I've never seen the light go off until it sp

Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On 3/22/19 4:00 PM, David Wright wrote: On Fri 22 Mar 2019 at 14:00:24 (-0400), deb wrote: On 3/22/19 1:48 PM, Curt wrote: On 2019-03-22, deb wrote: Depending on what's on the disk, it might be more useful to just use lsof to see what files are open and try to understand what those might be

Re: blank time in console too short

Am Freitag, 22. März 2019, 20:45:13 CET schrieb bw: > In-Reply-To: <4205892.cicxXhXihB@protheus2> > > >Both systems got an identical configuration but behave different. > > I'm confused, did you try the methods you mentioned with no result? Well, all solutions I read, where about setterm or using

Re: Curt --- Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 03:00:23PM -0500, David Wright wrote: If you're really worried, first remount the partitions readonly, which will fail if they're in use. Then unmount them and disconnect. Just unmount--that will fail if the partition is in use unless extra options are added. Mike Sto

Re: blank time in console too short

In-Reply-To: <4205892.cicxXhXihB@protheus2> >Both systems got an identical configuration but behave different. I'm confused, did you try the methods you mentioned with no result? Are you looking for how to solve it, or a clue why it is that way?

Re: Curt --- Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On Fri 22 Mar 2019 at 14:00:24 (-0400), deb wrote: > On 3/22/19 1:48 PM, Curt wrote: > > On 2019-03-22, deb wrote: > > > > Depending on what's on the disk, it might be more useful to just use > > > > lsof to see what files are open and try to understand what those might > > > > be doing. > > I be

Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices

On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:53:33 -0600 ghe wrote: > > The powers that be are calling my Ethernet devices enp6s0 and enp7s0. > I guess enp (EtherNet Port) is OK. But 6 and 7 aren't. There are only > two of them, and numbers on my computers don't start at 6. The 'p' is for PCI, and they are numbered f

Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices

On 3/22/19 9:06 AM, Hans wrote: > since some time the names for network devices have changed. So its is no more > "ethX" , but "enp1s10" or similar or "wlan0" and now "wlp5s0". You know, what > I mean. Interesting that this came up this morning. I'm on Buster.alpha5. I tried to relabel my Ether

Re: Ways to verify tools/applications? Fire support for new users

On 3/22/19 3:14 PM, bw wrote: in-reply-to= Are there list-suggested ways to help verify non-free / out-of-stable-distro or even seldomly updated in-distro tools, PRE-INSTALL? Well... that's a deep subject. You mention three different categories of pkgs, but I think many people would say the

Re: Bluetooth audio problem

Mark Fletcher wrote: > So this turned out to be a weirdie -- if I dropped the "sudo" my > original command worked. > > So now, suddenly from that update that started this thread, if I run the > pactl command as an unprivileged user, it works fine. I have no idea why > it changed but I'm just happ

Re: blank time in console too short

Hans wrote: > As I said, not in X, but the console in the terminal you reach by ALT-F1, > ALT-F2 and so on. And sa I also said: Both systems got an identical > configuration but behave different. > > Best > > Hans > > > https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ > Display_Power_Management_Signaling

Re: Ways to verify tools/applications? Fire support for new users

in-reply-to= >Are there list-suggested ways to help verify non-free / >out-of-stable-distro or even seldomly updated in-distro tools, >PRE-INSTALL? Well... that's a deep subject. You mention three different categories of pkgs, but I think many people would say there are only two main catego

Re: Other lists? Fire support for new users

On 3/22/19, Paul Sutton wrote: > > Why not direct them here, just perhaps set up their e-mail client so > that all e-mails are sent to a folder, that way the main inbox doesn't > get full of e-mail from here, as there can be quite a lot at times. > Maybe teach them how to watch specific threads,

Re: (Paul) Re: Other lists? Fire support for new users

On 2019-03-22, Jim Popovitch wrote: >> >> Like that ^ > > I have no way to know what ^ is pointing to from your perspective. > >> It's pointing at Paul from my perspective.

Re: (Paul) Re: Other lists? Fire support for new users

On Fri, 2019-03-22 at 13:46 -0400, deb wrote: > On 3/22/19 1:36 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: > > On Fri, 2019-03-22 at 13:14 -0400, deb wrote: > > > I guess I found that some folks here (not many, but vocal) can be gruff > > > and insensitive; and I just wanted to see if there were more "yielding" > >

Curt --- Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On 3/22/19 1:48 PM, Curt wrote: On 2019-03-22, deb wrote: Depending on what's on the disk, it might be more useful to just use lsof to see what files are open and try to understand what those might be doing. Thank you Michael. I'll build up a list of these recommendations for here. I be

Re: Michael - Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On 2019-03-22, deb wrote: > >> >> Depending on what's on the disk, it might be more useful to just use >> lsof to see what files are open and try to understand what those might >> be doing. >> > > Thank you Michael. > > I'll build up a list of these recommendations for here. > > I believe you s

Re: (Paul) Re: Other lists? Fire support for new users

On 3/22/19 1:36 PM, Jim Popovitch wrote: On Fri, 2019-03-22 at 13:14 -0400, deb wrote: I guess I found that some folks here (not many, but vocal) can be gruff and insensitive; and I just wanted to see if there were more "yielding" lists. The last thing I want to do is have new users rebuffed

Re: (Paul) Re: Other lists? Fire support for new users

On Fri, 2019-03-22 at 13:14 -0400, deb wrote: > > I guess I found that some folks here (not many, but vocal) can be gruff > and insensitive; and I just wanted to see if there were more "yielding" > lists. > > > The last thing I want to do is have new users rebuffed in the spot I > send them t

Michael - Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On 3/22/19 12:24 PM, Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:23:29AM -0400, deb wrote: a.  Has anyone used iotop? thoughts? (I did -- it's CLI-based. I was underwhelmed. Hard-ish to use; can't easily pinpoint processes accessing the drives) Well, it's hard to say what would work b

Reco - Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On 3/22/19 11:56 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:23:29AM -0400, deb wrote: a.  Has anyone used iotop? thoughts? Implemented in Python, so it's a toy. Was*the* thing back in 2.6.x kernel's days. b. Can anyone recommend a different tool? "iostat -kx 1" to pinpoint a

Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 05:40:43PM +0100, Hans wrote: > Am Freitag, 22. März 2019, 17:15:29 CET schrieb Reco: > > No, this is done by udev. It can be disabled, it can be configured, and > > it can be left as is. > > > I know, that the old style can be kept by either using udev (withg persistent- >

(Paul) Re: Other lists? Fire support for new users

On 3/22/19 12:39 PM, Paul Sutton wrote: On 22/03/2019 15:31, deb wrote: Hello folks: For someone trying to pull Windows (and Mac) users into Linux does anyone have: Preferred other email lists, for new users? Perhaps more basic than this one? There are forums, but the emails are a good w

Re: Flushing all Buffers Before Exiting

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 07:52:33PM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: [...] > Opening, appending and closing for each new line of > output made me a bit squeamish. The program is monitoring a > stream of data from a radio scanner. The data spew in at about > 20 or 30 lines per second. Don't

Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices

Am Freitag, 22. März 2019, 17:15:29 CET schrieb Reco: > Hi. Hi Reco, > > No, this is done by udev. It can be disabled, it can be configured, and > it can be left as is. > I know, that the old style can be kept by either using udev (withg persistent- net.rules for example) or by a kernel par

Re: Other lists? Fire support for new users

On 22/03/2019 15:31, deb wrote: > Hello folks: > > > For someone trying to pull Windows (and Mac) users into Linux > does anyone have: > > > Preferred other email lists, for new users? > > Perhaps more basic than this one? > > There are forums, but the emails are a good way to work too. > > > Tha

Re: Flushing all Buffers Before Exiting

On Fri, 22 Mar 2019, at 00:53, Martin McCormick wrote: > Opening, appending and closing for each new line of > output made me a bit squeamish. ... You could always count lines written and do a close & reopen every (say) 1000 lines. That way there's less overhead but the amount of data you

Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:23:29AM -0400, deb wrote: a.  Has anyone used iotop? thoughts? (I did -- it's CLI-based. I was underwhelmed. Hard-ish to use; can't easily pinpoint processes accessing the drives) Well, it's hard to say what would work better if you can't explain what the problem is

Re: Discussion? New names of betwork devices

Hi. On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 04:06:33PM +0100, Hans wrote: > Hi folks, > > since some time the names for network devices have changed. So its is no more > "ethX" , but "enp1s10" or similar or "wlan0" and now "wlp5s0". You know, what > I mean. Yep, so called Unpredicable Device Names.

Re: iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

Hi. On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:23:29AM -0400, deb wrote: > a.  Has anyone used iotop? thoughts? Implemented in Python, so it's a toy. Was *the* thing back in 2.6.x kernel's days. > b. Can anyone recommend a different tool? "iostat -kx 1" to pinpoint a drive. "pidstat -dl 1" to point at

Ways to verify tools/applications? Fire support for new users

Hello folks: Again, for someone trying to pull Windows (and Mac) users into Linux ... Are there list-suggested ways to help verify non-free / out-of-stable-distro or even seldomly updated in-distro tools, PRE-INSTALL? A portion of the users are going to have the ability to sudo apt-get ins

Other lists? Fire support for new users

Hello folks: For someone trying to pull Windows (and Mac) users into Linux does anyone have: Preferred other email lists, for new users? Perhaps more basic than this one? There are forums, but the emails are a good way to work too. Thanks!

iotop - or, checking what is accessing a drive

Hello folks: Situation:   Plenty of portable NTFS drives, occasionally hooked to debian.   The drive's light stays on [indicating use] even when dismounted (but still connected via USB).   I'd like to try and find out what's using the drive.   I don't like the idea of just yanking the cab

Discussion? New names of betwork devices

Hi folks, since some time the names for network devices have changed. So its is no more "ethX" , but "enp1s10" or similar or "wlan0" and now "wlp5s0". You know, what I mean. This is made by the kernel. However, I discovered many packages, where are still the old names preconfigured with the o

Re: Bluetooth audio problem

On Sun, Mar 03, 2019 at 06:04:05PM +0100, deloptes wrote: > Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > Hello > > > > Since upgrading to Stretch shortly after it became stable, I have had to > > execute the following after a reboot before being able to connect to > > bluetooth devices using the Gnome bluetooth ap

Re: youtube video downloader for chrome

On 03/22/2019 05:05 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 02:24:08PM -0700, Fred wrote: One option that might have helped with a problem that was posted in about the last week is the --restrict-filenames option which may prevent the need to quote the URL. No, that won't prevent the n

Re: devscripts 'bts' mail setup

> BTS_SMTP_HOST=posteo.de:587 > BTS_SMTP_AUTH_USERNAME=jsc...@posteo.net sorry for other approach if you like postfix: http://www.postfix.org/SOHO_README.html#client_sasl_sender -- ^고맙습니다 _地平天成_ 감사합니다_^))//

Re: djbwares version 9

On Thu, Mar 21 2019, Dan Ritter wrote: > 황병희 wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 20 2019, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: >> > ...snip... >> >http://jdebp.eu./Softwares/djbwares/qmail-patches.html#any-to-cname >> >> just comment: >> whenever i see these patches, i think qmail is not easy to handle. > > qm

Re: youtube video downloader for chrome

On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 02:24:08PM -0700, Fred wrote: > One option that might have helped with a problem that was posted in about > the last week is the --restrict-filenames option which may prevent the need > to quote the URL. No, that won't prevent the need to quote a URL containing & characters

Re: why key repeating fails?

On 2019-03-21, Long Wind wrote: > > it fails after i use stretch for more than a few hours > > (i'm not aware of any keyboard/mouse input that might cause key > repeating f ailure) i try "xset r on", it doesn't helpkey repeating is > still ok in tty (text mo de)but i use X window most of time > >

Re: blank time in console too short

Am Donnerstag, 21. März 2019, 23:13:39 CET schrieb deloptes: On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 7:15 AM Hans wrote: >> No, I mean not in windowmanager (or X), I mean in TTY1 - 5. > So what about the monitor or precisely the DPMS setting As I said, not in X, but the console in the terminal you rea