Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check

2019-02-22 Thread David Christensen
On 2/22/19 6:17 AM, songbird wrote: Stephen P. Molnar wrote: My Debian Stretch system has three HD's. I want to remove one of the HD's (not sda) and replace it with a new HD.. What I need to be sure of is, if I remove the old drive from the fstab and delete the mount point will the system boot

Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check

2019-02-22 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 2/22/19 5:54 PM, David Wright wrote: On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 14:20:05 (-0500), Michael Stone wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:36:28AM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: Before disconnection the power to the drives, I edited out their lines in fstab. I disconnecting the power to sdb and sdc and s

Re: python3.7 disfunctional (was: argparse missing from libpython3.7-stdlib ?) NOW SOLVED

2019-02-22 Thread Frank Miles
On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 02:30:01 +0100, Frank Miles wrote: > I just upgraded my desktop from stable/stretch to testing/buster. > I'd earlier done the same to a laptop without any problems. > On the desktop, I get the following strange traceback : > > $ python3 Python 3.7.2+ (default, Feb 2 2019, 14:

Re: python3.7 disfunctional (was: argparse missing from libpython3.7-stdlib ?)

2019-02-22 Thread Kent West
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 7:27 PM Frank Miles wrote: > I just upgraded my desktop from stable/stretch to testing/buster. > I'd earlier done the same to a laptop without any problems. > On the desktop, I get the following strange traceback : > > $ python3 > Python 3.7.2+ (default, Feb 2 2019, 14:31

Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check

2019-02-22 Thread David Wright
On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 14:20:05 (-0500), Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:36:28AM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > > Before disconnection the power to the drives, I edited out their > > lines in fstab. I disconnecting the power to sdb and sdc and > > started the computer. It boote

python3.7 disfunctional (was: argparse missing from libpython3.7-stdlib ?)

2019-02-22 Thread Frank Miles
I just upgraded my desktop from stable/stretch to testing/buster. I'd earlier done the same to a laptop without any problems. On the desktop, I get the following strange traceback : $ python3 Python 3.7.2+ (default, Feb 2 2019, 14:31:48) [GCC 8.2.0] on linux Type "help", "copyright", "credits" o

Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]

2019-02-22 Thread David Wright
On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 14:16:43 (+), Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 02:08:40PM -, Curt wrote: > > What Linux mail user agents lack this feature, if it is uncommon? > > I thought it was uncommon, but perhaps it isn't. I'm not going to spend > my time exhaustively surveying

Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check

2019-02-22 Thread Felix Miata
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2019-02-22 11:36 (UTC-0500): ... > # > UUID=900b5f0b-4f3d-4a64-8c91-29aee4c6fd07 /sdb1 ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 > 1 > UUID=d65867da-c658-4e35-928c-9dd2d6dd5742 /sdc1 ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 > 1 > UUID=007c1f16-34a4-438c-9d15-e3df601649ba

Re: argparse missing from libpython3.7-stdlib ?

2019-02-22 Thread Frank Miles
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 22:00:01 +0100, Michael Lange wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 20:15:12 - (UTC) > Frank Miles wrote: > >> It seems that the new testing/buster python3.7 lacks 'argparse'. >> Simply trying to import this causes an error, probably due to only a >> python2.7 version on

Re: Simplified -- Re: Quick pointer please? Installing Intel wireless, post OS installation

2019-02-22 Thread Brian
On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 17:03:41 -0500, Celejar wrote: > On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 20:24:40 + > Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 14:50:29 -0500, Celejar wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 19:10:45 + > > > Brian wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 13:52:02 -0500, deb wrote: >

Re: Simplified -- Re: Quick pointer please? Installing Intel wireless, post OS installation

2019-02-22 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 20:24:40 + Brian wrote: > On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 14:50:29 -0500, Celejar wrote: > > > On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 19:10:45 + > > Brian wrote: > > > > > On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 13:52:02 -0500, deb wrote: > > > > > > > Simplified query: > > > > > > > > After installing Debian

Re: argparse missing from libpython3.7-stdlib ?

2019-02-22 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 20:15:12 - (UTC) Frank Miles wrote: > It seems that the new testing/buster python3.7 lacks 'argparse'. > Simply trying to import this causes an error, probably due to > only a python2.7 version on my system. > > I didn't see any indication of a missing library, thoug

OT : Windows 10 managed desktop

2019-02-22 Thread Paul Sutton
Hi Sorry if this this is off topic, but this is something that as a free software we can perhaps take advantage of. Just had this posted to my local Linux user group irc channel https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you

argparse missing from libpython3.7-stdlib ?

2019-02-22 Thread Frank Miles
It seems that the new testing/buster python3.7 lacks 'argparse'. Simply trying to import this causes an error, probably due to only a python2.7 version on my system. I didn't see any indication of a missing library, though there is apparently some kind of transition going on. Is my system missing

Re: Simplified -- Re: Quick pointer please? Installing Intel wireless, post OS installation

2019-02-22 Thread Brian
On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 14:50:29 -0500, Celejar wrote: > On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 19:10:45 + > Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 13:52:02 -0500, deb wrote: > > > > > Simplified query: > > > > > > After installing Debian 9.7, without Networking, and without an Ethernet > > > connection, > >

Re: Simplified -- Re: Quick pointer please? Installing Intel wireless, post OS installation

2019-02-22 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 19:10:45 + Brian wrote: > On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 13:52:02 -0500, deb wrote: > > > Simplified query: > > > > After installing Debian 9.7, without Networking, and without an Ethernet > > connection, > > > > how does one go about installing Intel Wireless (with the non-free

Re: Simplified -- Re: Quick pointer please? Installing Intel wireless, post OS installation

2019-02-22 Thread Dan Ritter
deb wrote: > Simplified query: > > After installing Debian 9.7, without Networking, and without an Ethernet > connection, > > how does one go about installing Intel Wireless (with the non-free bits > available on a USB drive)? > Assuming the USB disk is /dev/sdb and it has one partition on it.

Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]

2019-02-22 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 14:16:43 + Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 02:08:40PM -, Curt wrote: > >What Linux mail user agents lack this feature, if it is uncommon? > > I thought it was uncommon, but perhaps it isn't. I'm not going to spend > my time exhaustively surveying the

Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check

2019-02-22 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:36:28AM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: Before disconnection the power to the drives, I edited out their lines in fstab. I disconnecting the power to sdb and sdc and started the computer. It booted for a few lines until it encountered the line starting with 'start jo

Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check

2019-02-22 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 22/02/2019 à 17:36, Stephen P. Molnar a écrit : On 02/22/2019 09:13 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Stephen P. Molnar wrote: My Debian Stretch system has three HD's. I want to remove one of the HD's (not sda) You can never know which drive will be sda at next boot. The system needs the following t

Re: Simplified -- Re: Quick pointer please? Installing Intel wireless, post OS installation

2019-02-22 Thread Brian
On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 13:52:02 -0500, deb wrote: > Simplified query: > > After installing Debian 9.7, without Networking, and without an Ethernet > connection, > > how does one go about installing Intel Wireless (with the non-free bits > available on a USB drive)? Firmware (free or non-free) go

Simplified -- Re: Quick pointer please? Installing Intel wireless, post OS installation

2019-02-22 Thread deb
Simplified query: After installing Debian 9.7, without Networking, and without an Ethernet connection, how does one go about installing Intel Wireless (with the non-free bits available on a USB drive)? Thanks On 2/21/2019 7:21 PM, deb wrote: On 2/21/2019 7:12 PM, deb wrote: So, I pu

Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system

2019-02-22 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 07:20:52 +1100 "Sam Varghese" wrote: > I would value feedback from anyone on this list who has been running > Debian on an AMD Ryzen system. I have gone back through list posts for a > year and cannot find anything on this subject. > > I am running the testing stream and am l

Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check

2019-02-22 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
On 02/22/2019 10:02 AM, David Wright wrote: On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 09:19:53 (-0500), Stephen P. Molnar wrote: On 02/22/2019 09:13 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Stephen P. Molnar wrote: My Debian Stretch system has three HD's. I want to remove one of the HD's (not sda) and replace it with a new HD..

Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]

2019-02-22 Thread Curt
On 2019-02-22, Reco wrote: >> >> What Linux mail user agents lack this feature, if it is uncommon? > > Let's see. > kmail, balsa, evolution - basically anything that's either shipped with > DE, or written with "Modern App" approach in mind. Kmail has it: https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/pim/kmai

Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]

2019-02-22 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 02:08:40PM -, Curt wrote: > On 2019-02-22, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 09:37:06AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > >>> (2) Mutt has a feature that lets you send an EXACT copy of a message > >>> to a different address, preserving all of t

Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check

2019-02-22 Thread David Wright
On Fri 22 Feb 2019 at 09:19:53 (-0500), Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > On 02/22/2019 09:13 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > > > My Debian Stretch system has three HD's. I want to remove one of the HD's > > > (not sda) and replace it with a new HD.. > > > What I need to be sure of is

Re: sig separator (was Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system)

2019-02-22 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 14:14:18 + Jonathan Dowland wrote: Hello Jonathan, >Yes. I felt trying to encode the \n inside the quote marks (or putting a >literal \n in the quote marks) would harm comprehension, and hoped that Probably true. Still, there's at least one person on the list that appea

Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]

2019-02-22 Thread Curt
On 2019-02-22, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 02:08:40PM -, Curt wrote: >>What Linux mail user agents lack this feature, if it is uncommon? > > I thought it was uncommon, but perhaps it isn't. I'm not going to spend > my time exhaustively surveying them to be sure. Perhaps i

Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check

2019-02-22 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
On 02/22/2019 09:13 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Stephen P. Molnar wrote: My Debian Stretch system has three HD's. I want to remove one of the HD's (not sda) and replace it with a new HD.. What I need to be sure of is, if I remove the old drive from the fstab and delete the mount point will the sys

Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check

2019-02-22 Thread songbird
Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > My Debian Stretch system has three HD's. I want to remove one of the > HD's (not sda) and replace it with a new HD.. > > What I need to be sure of is, if I remove the old drive from the fstab > and delete the mount point will the system boot after I put in the new > H

Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]

2019-02-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 02:08:40PM -, Curt wrote: What Linux mail user agents lack this feature, if it is uncommon? I thought it was uncommon, but perhaps it isn't. I'm not going to spend my time exhaustively surveying them to be sure. Perhaps it's just not generally a well-known feature.

Re: Swapping Drives - Sanity Check

2019-02-22 Thread Dan Ritter
Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > My Debian Stretch system has three HD's. I want to remove one of the HD's > (not sda) and replace it with a new HD.. > > What I need to be sure of is, if I remove the old drive from the fstab and > delete the mount point will the system boot after I put in the new HD. s

Re: sig separator (was Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system)

2019-02-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 11:49:16AM +, Brad Rogers wrote: On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:54:25 + ("-- " with the trailing space) That's not quite enough to make it entirely valid; The 'dash, dash, space' must be all that's on that line. Put anything after the space, and most MUAs won't recogni

Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]

2019-02-22 Thread Curt
On 2019-02-22, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 09:37:06AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> (2) Mutt has a feature that lets you send an EXACT copy of a message >>> to a different address, preserving all of the headers and content >>> verbatim. Mutt calls this "bouncing". >> >>If t

Swapping Drives - Sanity Check

2019-02-22 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
My Debian Stretch system has three HD's. I want to remove one of the HD's (not sda) and replace it with a new HD.. What I need to be sure of is, if I remove the old drive from the fstab and delete the mount point will the system boot after I put in the new HD. so that I can edit the fstab and

Re: stracing login process with systemd?

2019-02-22 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
Eduard Bloch: that was the best guess I could extract from the documentation Try some StackExchange answers. * https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/477049/5132 * https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/427917/5132 * https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/423648/5132 * https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/44183

Re: sig separator (was Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system)

2019-02-22 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 10:54:25 + Jonathan Dowland wrote: Hello Jonathan, >("-- " with the trailing space) That's not quite enough to make it entirely valid; The 'dash, dash, space' must be all that's on that line. Put anything after the space, and most MUAs won't recognise it as valid. --

Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system

2019-02-22 Thread Jerome BENOIT
Hello, On 22/02/2019 14:39, Sam Varghese wrote: > On Fri, February 22, 2019 7:12 pm, Andrea Borgia wrote: >> Hi, Sam. >> >> Unless you go for the "G" variant of Ryzen (with embedded GPU(, you should >> be good to go with no special care if you use the current "testing". >> If you decide to use "G"

Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]

2019-02-22 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 10:52:37AM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > The same result can be achieved with a procmail recipe, or a shell > script, if you have access to the raw mail. ... and if you do not - you're not using a proper e-mail client anyway. Reco

sig separator (was Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system)

2019-02-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Dear Sam Not addressing your question, but just to point out On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 07:20:52AM +1100, Sam Varghese wrote: -- (Sam Varghese) Your sig separator here ("--") does not match the common convention for sig separators ("-- " with the trailing space), and so it is not recogni

Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]

2019-02-22 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Thu, Feb 21, 2019 at 09:37:06AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: (2) Mutt has a feature that lets you send an EXACT copy of a message to a different address, preserving all of the headers and content verbatim. Mutt calls this "bouncing". If this is such a good feature, why is mutt the only agent

Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system

2019-02-22 Thread Sam Varghese
On Fri, February 22, 2019 7:12 pm, Andrea Borgia wrote: > Hi, Sam. > > Unless you go for the "G" variant of Ryzen (with embedded GPU(, you should > be good to go with no special care if you use the current "testing". > If you decide to use "G" as I did, you should probably opt for this > kernel: >

Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]

2019-02-22 Thread tomas
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 08:36:06AM -, Curt wrote: [...] > Whoever came up with the idea of calling the redirection of a message a > bounce, when the term was already in use for 'Return to sender/Address > unknown/No such number/No such zone' (hi Elvis!) should be sent to bed > with no dessert

Re: What to do about spam in debian-user [was: Your Password Reset Link from CorrLinks]

2019-02-22 Thread Curt
On 2019-02-21, Celejar wrote: >> >> And as far as I know, fetchmail has no ability/facility to bounce a >> message. Fetchmail-6.3.26 IIRC. Locally built from tarball. > > 'Bouncing' a message is typically done by a MUA (Kmail, in your case), > not the MDA (fetchmail, in your case). Other MUAs be

Re: stracing login process with systemd?

2019-02-22 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 08:22:22AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > I had some exchange with the maintainer in the BTS but so far that's not > really fruitful. I would like to just strace the whole login process > (console or xdm) and check what's happening there around systemd > invocatio

Re: Running Debian on an AMD Ryzen system

2019-02-22 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hi, Sam. Unless you go for the "G" variant of Ryzen (with embedded GPU(, you should be good to go with no special care if you use the current "testing". If you decide to use "G" as I did, you should probably opt for this kernel: https://github.com/M-Bab/linux-kernel-amdgpu-binaries Regards, Andre