Re: How to ensure that old kernel does not get removed

2019-01-04 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, Jan 05, 2019 at 03:41:05AM +0100, hdv@gmail wrote: > So how do I make sure that 4.18.0-2 does not get removed from the boot menu > after the next kernel upgrade? Do not uninstall this version of kernel, simple as that. Invoke this to be sure: apt-mark hold linux-image-4.18.0-

Re: Overhead of LVM (Re: Upgrade Problem)

2019-01-04 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 11:03:48PM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, January 04, 2019 08:23:59 AM Reco wrote: > > # pvs > > PV VG Fmt Attr PSize PFree > > /dev/md10 naslvm2 a-- 14.55t 10.43t > > > > # hdparm -Tt /dev/md10 > > /dev/md10: > >

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread mick crane
On 2019-01-04 21:03, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 04 January 2019 14:34:59 Brian wrote: On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote: > > deloptes (12019-01-04): > > >We just

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 19:32:18 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > >> So I was thinking perhaps this is good for the economy, because if > >> most of the users were like me, there wouldn't be any economic > >> growth in the past years. > > > > I see that too, darn it. > > Suddenly I spotte

Re: Overhead of LVM (Re: Upgrade Problem)

2019-01-04 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, January 04, 2019 08:23:59 AM Reco wrote: > # pvs > PV VG Fmt Attr PSize PFree > /dev/md10 naslvm2 a-- 14.55t 10.43t > > # hdparm -Tt /dev/md10 > /dev/md10: > Timing cached reads: 1224 MB in 2.00 seconds = 612.05 MB/sec > Timing buffered disk reads: 1

Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?

2019-01-04 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, January 04, 2019 11:36:22 AM Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-04, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > Much better. But what does MO stand for? > > I haven't the slightest idea (but assumed you folks in the know knew, > though)! > > (Having now looked it seems MO stands for "Magneto-optical.) > > htt

Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?

2019-01-04 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, January 04, 2019 08:36:59 AM Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-04, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > Perhaps you could consider writing a patch for the man page. > > -I It is typical for fixed disk devices to be partitioned so, by default, > you are not permitted to create a filesystem across th

typos (was: Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?)

2019-01-04 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, January 04, 2019 10:13:07 PM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Friday, January 04, 2019 08:36:59 AM Curt wrote: > > On 2019-01-04, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 08:59:50PM +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > > >>Le 03/01/2019 à 11:35, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : > > >>>Y

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Felix Miata
David Wright composed on 2019-01-04 19:21 (UTC-0600): > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 14:02:27 (-0500), Stephen P. Molnar wrote: >> Felix Miata wrote: >>> Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2019-01-04 12:57 (UTC-0500): I haven't messed around with partitioning since the early days of Slackware, an

Re: it's very foolish to force user to install security update

2019-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Sat 05 Jan 2019 at 03:01:49 (+), Long Wind wrote: > i'm waiting jessie installer to download kernel from security.debian.org, > file size is 34.1M, it may take more than 2 hours > jessie installer has just downloaded kernel from a mirror i choose, it's > fast, but security.debian.org is sl

Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?

2019-01-04 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, January 04, 2019 08:36:59 AM Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-04, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 08:59:50PM +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > >>Le 03/01/2019 à 11:35, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : > >>>You then write a MBR-type filesystem > >> > >>Nonsense. You mean a partition

How to ensure that old kernel does not get removed

2019-01-04 Thread hdv@gmail
Hi list, After a recent upgrade I noticed that my system could not reboot into the new 4.19 kernel. So I rebooted into the kernel before that (4.18.0-3), which did not work either. Booting into the version before that (4.18.-02) did work just fine. It seems I hadn't rebooted after the previous up

Re: Odd Emacs behavior in Message mode with auto-fill-mode

2019-01-04 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2019 04 Jan 19:48 -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote: > I use Emacs as my editor for neomutt. I use a custom init file to > start a new Emacs session in the terminal regardless if Emacs is > running already. Since the upgrade to Emacs 26.1, auto-fill-mode > appears to be broken. No longer does it a

Re: [OT] scanned files are large in size

2019-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 17:26:07 (+), Brian wrote: > On Wed 02 Jan 2019 at 22:56:22 -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 9:23 PM David Wright > > wrote: > > > On Wed 02 Jan 2019 at 14:44:14 (+), Brian wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm intrigued; I hadn't realised that conve

Odd Emacs behavior in Message mode with auto-fill-mode

2019-01-04 Thread Nate Bargmann
I use Emacs as my editor for neomutt. I use a custom init file to start a new Emacs session in the terminal regardless if Emacs is running already. Since the upgrade to Emacs 26.1, auto-fill-mode appears to be broken. No longer does it automatically break the lines when I a

Re: ZDNet article on GPL is wrong and misleading. PJ (paralegal) does not fully understand the law she's spoke about.

2019-01-04 Thread Jason C. Wells
Please CC trim the freebsd lists. This is not our jam. BTW, cross posting was never socially acceptable so please don't. Suddenly, I feel sorry for Mr. Moglen and Mr. Raymond. I can image 20 years of this sort of nonsense in your mailboxes. Cheers for all the good stuff you've done for FOSS.

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 14:02:27 (-0500), Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > On 01/04/2019 01:11 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > > Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2019-01-04 12:57 (UTC-0500): > > > > > I haven't messed around with partitioning since the early days of > > > Slackware, and that was with a great deal o

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 16:18:03 (-0500), Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 02:39:40PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > > There's at least one other scenario that it would be worth eliminating > > by checking that this equation is true (allowing for filesystem overheads): > > > >

Re: allocating disk space (was: Upgrade Problem)

2019-01-04 Thread Felix Miata
David Wright composed on 2019-01-04 14:27 (UTC-0600): > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:41:33 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: >> David Wright composed on 2019-01-04 10:19 (UTC-0600): >> > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 04:30:00 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: >> >>> This partitioning scheme seems really odd and unwiel

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Gene Heskett wrote: >> So I was thinking perhaps this is good for the economy, because if >> most of the users were like me, there wouldn't be any economic growth >> in the past years. > > I see that too, darn it. Suddenly I spotted something that fits our discussion by the worst example - Apple

Re: Bad behaviour with encrypted partitions

2019-01-04 Thread Carles Pina i Estany
Hi, On Jan/04/2019, Hans wrote: > Normally I have to type the password for every partition, always > beginning with /usr,. then /home, then /var. After putting in all > passwords correct, the system is going on booting. > > But this is no more, now it is that way: > > - I have to type the pas

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 05:04:49PM -0500, songbird wrote: Roberto C Sánchez wrote: It might also indicate files that exist (i.e., occupy blocks) without having directory entries. For example, this is the case when a program creates a temporary file, gets the descritor back from the syscall, th

Re: bad printing results (was: Why choose Debian on server)

2019-01-04 Thread Felix Miata
deloptes composed on 2019-01-04 22:32 (UTC+0100): > Gene Heskett wrote: >> My copy of FF only prints 1 page, which is the top  3" of the site's >> front page, never getting down to any of the text past the headline. >> And it works on other sites. > Same here SeaMonkey and Firefox both do this

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread songbird
Roberto C Sánchez wrote: ... > It might also indicate files that exist (i.e., occupy blocks) without > having directory entries. For example, this is the case when a program > creates a temporary file, gets the descritor back from the syscall, then > immediatley calls unlink on it. The file desc

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 16:27:45 Doug wrote: > On 01/04/2019 03:52 PM, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 15:27:11 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > >> On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > >>> Gene Heskett wrote: > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread songbird
David Wright wrote: > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 17:13:44 (+), Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: >> On sex, 04 jan 2019, David Wright wrote: >> > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 16:52:45 (+), Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: >> > > And in this case, the problem is easy to solve: >> > > rm /path/to/some/large/files

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 16:27:44 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > And becoming a bigger problem by each kernel release.  Just the > > bigger stack image a context switch involves takes the 64 bit stuff > > into the very close to unusable state. Even the hit of enabling pae > > on the 32

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Joe wrote: > Reinstalling looks good until you've done it, the old installation is > history, and over the next few weeks you realise how much time you had > spent over the last few years tweaking your computer to get it the way > you like it. > > And no, you cannot at the same time a) clear out

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Gene Heskett wrote: > Disk /dev/mmcblk0p1: 41 MiB, 42991616 bytes, 83968 sectors > Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes > Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes > Disklabel type: dos > Disk identifier: 0x > > No partition

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Gene Heskett wrote: > My copy of FF only prints 1 page, which is the top  3" of the site's > front page, never getting down to any of the text past the headline. > > And it works on other sites. Same here

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Gene Heskett wrote: > And becoming a bigger problem by each kernel release.  Just the bigger > stack image a context switch involves takes the 64 bit stuff into the > very close to unusable state. Even the hit of enabling pae on the 32 bit > stuff is a quite noticeable hit on the rt performance. A

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Doug
On 01/04/2019 03:52 PM, David Wright wrote: On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 15:27:11 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for the life of me, I can't find an installer that wil

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 02:39:40PM -0600, David Wright wrote: > > There's at least one other scenario that it would be worth eliminating > by checking that this equation is true (allowing for filesystem overheads): > > # du -shx > + > $ df's Available > ≃ > partition's size.

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 15:57:24 Andy Smith wrote: > Hi Gene, > > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 03:27:11PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > > > Fore example see "The Boot" here > > > https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/39959/raspbian-boo >

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 15:38:32 Brian wrote: > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 15:27:11 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But > > > > for the life of me, I can't fi

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 14:34:59 Brian wrote: > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote: > > > deloptes (12019-01-04): > > > > We just pointed out > > > > that you do not h

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 14:02:27 -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > On 01/04/2019 01:11 PM, Felix Miata wrote: > > Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2019-01-04 12:57 (UTC-0500): > > > > > I haven't messed around with partitioning since the early days of > > > Slackware, and that was with a great deal of

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 14:31:10 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > Can I trade the pickity nfs link in on an sshfs version? I use that > > here as its quite bulletproof. The login without the checksum files > > might be a hassle though. I'll certainly look that link over, thank > > you.

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Gene, On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 03:27:11PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > > Fore example see "The Boot" here > > https://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/39959/raspbian-boot-pr > >ocess-and-the-partition-table > > One HUGE problem with th

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 15:27:11 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for > > > the life of me, I can't find an installer that will actually do the > > > pi, its b

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 17:13:44 (+), Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On sex, 04 jan 2019, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 16:52:45 (+), Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > > > And in this case, the problem is easy to solve: > > > rm /path/to/some/large/files/* > > > > Wrong again. T

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 15:27:11 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for > > > the life of me, I can't find an installer that will actually do the > > > pi, its

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Joe
On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 20:46:53 +0100 deloptes wrote: > > I asked why he does not reinstall, but didn't get meaningful answer - > only, I can not do it and it takes too much time. > > One can not argue with educated people, so I gave up. > This is just an example how it works for most of the peop

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:41:33 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > David Wright composed on 2019-01-04 10:19 (UTC-0600): > > > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 04:30:00 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > > >>> This partitioning scheme seems really odd and unwieldy. > > >> Indeed. Considering the absence of a sysadm

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for > > the life of me, I can't find an installer that will actually do the > > pi, its boot is a separate mess. I'm sure it can be done as I also > > have a

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 08:09:55PM +, Brian wrote: > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 14:37:36 -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 07:34:59PM +, Brian wrote: > > > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Ni

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 14:37:36 -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 07:34:59PM +, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote: > > > > > > > deloptes (12019-01-04): > > > >

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Richard Hector
On 4/01/19 9:49 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > Stephen, I think you're going to have to analyse where the space is > being used. If you use a graphical desktop then there might be a > graphical application that can help with this. On GNOME it's called > Disk Usage Analyzer. On the command line you could t

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Alessandro Vesely wrote: > Given the current cooperation between Devuan and Debian maintainers on > init-diversity, I'd say that issue is fully resolved, and I'm reassured > that a distribution like the one I like is going to be available for the > foreseeable future. > > Would you say that messy

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Nicolas George wrote: > It really is not, because the resources invested in the old computer are > wasted (unless somebody gets it and recycles it). It is the same scheme > than in Chaplin's _The Kid_: breaking a window to let a glazier sell a > new one. > > Alas, the idiotic way most people eval

Re: [OT] scanned files are large in size

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 20:35:47 +0100, deloptes wrote: > Brian wrote: > > > and doesn't contain any embedded or subset fonts > > not heard that such are required for a jpeg or whatever image format > embedded in pdf file I reported. I am not pursuing it further. Neither are you, I think. -- Br

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Brian wrote: > Using the facilities on a computer is what a user does, just like the > simple task of switching on an electric light in a house. > > If by "operating", deloptes means "using", I think I could agree. If > he means change the bulb or mend the fuse or go down to to the local > substa

Re: [OT] scanned files are large in size

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:41:50 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 12:26:07 Brian wrote: > > > On Wed 02 Jan 2019 at 22:56:22 -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 9:23 PM David Wright > wrote: > > > > On Wed 02 Jan 2019 at 14:44:14 (+), Brian wro

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote: > >> deloptes (12019-01-04): >> >We just pointed out >> > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer. >> >> And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is >> no way around it. If

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 07:34:59PM +, Brian wrote: > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote: > > > > > deloptes (12019-01-04): > > > > We just pointed out > > > > tha

Re: [OT] scanned files are large in size

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Brian wrote: > and doesn't contain any embedded or subset fonts not heard that such are required for a jpeg or whatever image format embedded in pdf file

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote: > > > deloptes (12019-01-04): > > > We just pointed out > > > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer. > > > > A

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 19:31:05 +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > deloptes (12019-01-04): > > We just pointed out > > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer. > > And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there i

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Gene Heskett wrote: > Can I trade the pickity nfs link in on an sshfs version? I use that here > as its quite bulletproof. The login without the checksum files might be > a hassle though. I'll certainly look that link over, thank you. I don't know about sshfs - not heard that you can mount root o

kernel regression from stable to testing (acpi lid / EEEpc 1215p)

2019-01-04 Thread Andrea Borgia
Hi. On my EEEpc 1215p laptop, the upgrade from stable to testing broke the lid switch detection, since * another OS detects it just fine and acts on it; * the kernel from stable (4.9.0-7) does too Therefore, HW is ok (not obvious on an old laptop...) If I use the current kernel in testing (4

Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?

2019-01-04 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 04/01/2019 à 17:25, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 01:36:59PM +, Curt wrote: But how about:  -I When using MO disks, where partitions aren't always required, modifies     mkfs.fat's default behavior, allowing it to write the filesystem across the     entire, unpartiti

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
On 01/04/2019 01:11 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2019-01-04 12:57 (UTC-0500): I haven't messed around with partitioning since the early days of Slackware, and that was with a great deal of trepidation? You just multiplied my curiosity about what exactly was responsib

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 13:46:28 deloptes wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for > > the life of me, I can't find an installer that will actually do the > > pi, its boot is a separate mess. I'm sure it can be done as I also > > have a

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote: > deloptes (12019-01-04): > > We just pointed out > > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer. > > And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is >

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 13:24:39 deloptes wrote: > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > All he has to do is find whatever's taking up an unexpected amount > > of space in his root file system, and get rid of it.  This is an > > essential system management skill that he HAS to learn, which he > > will contin

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Gene Heskett wrote: > I've built 3 rt kernels on the pi, takes it about 4 hours. But for the > life of me, I can't find an installer that will actually do the pi, its > boot is a separate mess. I'm sure it can be done as I also have a pair > of rock64's running armbian, and I have seen apt install

Re: [OT] scanned files are large in size

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 12:26:07 Brian wrote: > On Wed 02 Jan 2019 at 22:56:22 -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 9:23 PM David Wright wrote: > > > On Wed 02 Jan 2019 at 14:44:14 (+), Brian wrote: > > > > I'm intrigued; I hadn't realised that conversion of the sca

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Felix Miata
David Wright composed on 2019-01-04 10:19 (UTC-0600): > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 04:30:00 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: >>> This partitioning scheme seems really odd and unwieldy. >> Indeed. Considering the absence of a sysadmin, > What's so unusual about that? Standing alone, absolutely nothing,

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Nicolas George
deloptes (12019-01-04): > So I was thinking perhaps this is good for the economy, because if most of > the users were like me, there wouldn't be any economic growth in the past > years. It really is not, because the resources invested in the old computer are wasted (unless somebody gets it and rec

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Nicolas George
deloptes (12019-01-04): > We just pointed out > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer. And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is no way around it. If there is no dedicated one, that makes the user

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread songbird
Stephen P. Molnar wrote: > I want to thank those of you who responded to my request for assistance. > > A number of the replies, particularly those that did not editorialize, > where useful in that they convinced me that reinstalling the OS is the > simplest remedy for the problems. > > Let us pu

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Greg Wooledge wrote: > All he has to do is find whatever's taking up an unexpected amount of > space in his root file system, and get rid of it.  This is an essential > system management skill that he HAS to learn, which he will continue > to use well beyond the current crisis. > > Reinstalling o

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 09:57:07 Curt wrote: > On 2019-01-04, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> Dear Ivan, no one said something about systemd, because the topic > >> was discussed and closed on the list. > >> Not sure about Gene, but I use good old sysv init and for Gods > >> sake, no one thinks of run

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Felix Miata
Stephen P. Molnar composed on 2019-01-04 12:57 (UTC-0500): > I haven't messed around with partitioning since the early days of > Slackware, and that was with a great deal of trepidation? You just multiplied my curiosity about what exactly was responsible for your current partitioning scheme, n

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Thu 03/Jan/2019 18:53:14 +0100 Miles Fidelman wrote: > [...] > And then there was all the bullshit about how systemd was handled - > including resignations of core developers over it. Given the current cooperation between Devuan and Debian maintainers on init-diversity, I'd say that issue is f

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
On 01/04/2019 12:13 PM, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 05:47:07PM +0100, steve wrote: Le vendredi 04 janvier 2019, Stephen P. Molnar a écrit : where useful in that they convinced me that reinstalling the OS is the simplest remedy for the problems. You're welcome. But th

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread deloptes
Nicolas George wrote: > Exactly. And the kind of payment that is expected from you for help on > this mailing-list is not pecuniary, of course. It is that you do not > just consume the answers given to you but instead try to increase your > knowledge and understanding so that maybe one day you wou

Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?

2019-01-04 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > what does MO stand for? to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > I'd guess "magneto-optical". It would match the term "superfloppy" in man mkdosfs. (Larger, more heavy, even less reliable than floppy disks.) Possibly some of the MO genes survived in DVD-RAM. E.g. the glossy rec

Re: [OT] scanned files are large in size

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Wed 02 Jan 2019 at 22:56:22 -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 9:23 PM David Wright wrote: > > > > On Wed 02 Jan 2019 at 14:44:14 (+), Brian wrote: > > > > > > I'm intrigued; I hadn't realised that conversion of the scanned image > > > for some vendors' devices took

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 05:47:07PM +0100, steve wrote: > Le vendredi 04 janvier 2019, Stephen P. Molnar a écrit : > > > > where useful in that they convinced me that reinstalling the OS is the > > simplest remedy for the problems. > > You're welcome. But this last sentence is pretty sad because

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On sex, 04 jan 2019, David Wright wrote: On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 16:52:45 (+), Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: And in this case, the problem is easy to solve: rm /path/to/some/large/files/* Wrong again. The free space on /home is sufficient to hold 10 copies of the entire / filesystem. And you

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 16:52:45 (+), Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > On sex, 04 jan 2019, steve wrote: > > > where useful in that they convinced me that reinstalling the > > > OS is the simplest remedy for the problems. > > > > You're welcome. But this last sentence is pretty sad because normally

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On sex, 04 jan 2019, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: And in this case, the problem is easy to solve: rm /path/to/some/large/files/* The usual suspects (/var/logs, /var/cache, etc) have already been mentioned, and are in a different partition. One place to investigate is /lib/modules. It can g

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 08:15:11 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > In this case, I hate to sound like > > an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the reinstall > > to a new drive [...] > > Come on, people. Show some

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On sex, 04 jan 2019, steve wrote: where useful in that they convinced me that reinstalling the OS is the simplest remedy for the problems. You're welcome. But this last sentence is pretty sad because normally, issues like yours do not require windows-style operation. For your info, I have not

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread steve
Le vendredi 04 janvier 2019, Stephen P. Molnar a écrit : where useful in that they convinced me that reinstalling the OS is the simplest remedy for the problems. You're welcome. But this last sentence is pretty sad because normally, issues like yours do not require windows-style operation. Fo

Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?

2019-01-04 Thread Curt
On 2019-01-04, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 01:36:59PM +, Curt wrote: >>But how about: >> >> -I When using MO disks, where partitions aren't always required, modifies >> mkfs.fat's default behavior, allowing it to write the filesystem across >> the >> entire, unp

Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?

2019-01-04 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 04:25:30PM +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 01:36:59PM +, Curt wrote: > >But how about: > > > > -I When using MO disks, where partitions aren't always required, modifies > >mkfs.fat's default behavior, allowing it to write the filesystem acros

Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?

2019-01-04 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 01:36:59PM +, Curt wrote: But how about: -I When using MO disks, where partitions aren't always required, modifies mkfs.fat's default behavior, allowing it to write the filesystem across the entire, unpartitioned device (called 'superfloppy' format under some

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread David Wright
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 04:30:00 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > Andy Smith composed on 2019-01-04 08:57 (UTC): > > Several people have now suggested saving space in a bits of the > > filesystem that Stephen has on dedicated partitions, so this is not > > helpful. > > > This partitioning scheme seems

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
I want to thank those of you who responded to my request for assistance. A number of the replies, particularly those that did not editorialize, where useful in that they convinced me that reinstalling the OS is the simplest remedy for the problems. Let us put this thread to bed and stop wasti

Re: Debian 9.6 stable sourelist & how long support

2019-01-04 Thread Dan Ritter
Latif Shaikh wrote: > Hi, > > Please provide or validate the debian 9.6 stretch stable sourcelist ( > /etc/apt/sources.list) to install stable packages. > > How long support of Debian 9.6 stretch stable version "Stretch" is the name for all 9.0+ releases; "stable" means that the updates will fi

Re: Why choose Debian on server

2019-01-04 Thread Curt
On 2019-01-04, Gene Heskett wrote: >> >> Dear Ivan, no one said something about systemd, because the topic was >> discussed and closed on the list. >> Not sure about Gene, but I use good old sysv init and for Gods sake, >> no one thinks of running systemd on a firewall (I hope) >> > Just one of th

Re: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 02:38:09PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote: On 01/03/2019 01:27 PM, songbird wrote: apt-get install libc --reinstall root@AbNormal:/home/comp# apt-get install libc --reinstall Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Una

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread tomas
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 08:44:27AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 04 January 2019 08:15:11 Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > In this case, I hate to sound like > > > an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the >

Re: Scanner not working

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:28:17 +, Andrew Wood wrote: > On 04/01/2019 00:31, deloptes wrote: > > > Don't have it but quick google told me this could be related to you > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/1080787 > > > > there is patch down there for 5370 - cou

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 08:44:27AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > My own reinstall to a new, much larger disk, recommendation still stands, > that the OP would be back to a working system where he could remount > that old drive to his new install and recover the data he needs to > continue his pro

Re: Scanner not working

2019-01-04 Thread Brian
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:28:17 +, Andrew Wood wrote: > On 04/01/2019 00:31, deloptes wrote: > > > Don't have it but quick google told me this could be related to you > > > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sane-backends/+bug/1080787 > > > > there is patch down there for 5370 - cou

Re: Fwd: Upgrade Problem

2019-01-04 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 04 January 2019 08:15:11 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > In this case, I hate to sound like > > an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the > > reinstall to a new drive [...] > > Come on, people. Show some sense.

Re: Formatting a 32G or 16G SD card?

2019-01-04 Thread Curt
On 2019-01-04, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 08:59:50PM +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote: >>Le 03/01/2019 à 11:35, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : >>>You then write a MBR-type filesystem >> >>Nonsense. You mean a partition table or disk label. > > Thank you yes, that was a typo ("Nonsen

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