Re: versioning file system

2018-10-28 Thread David Christensen
On 10/28/18 10:40 PM, Erik Christiansen wrote: On 26.10.18 13:05, David Christensen wrote: When programming, I tend to do check-in's when I make some kind of progress (ideally, the code builds and the test suite passes). Yup, the smaller edits of bugfixes aren't going to threaten code stabilit

Re: Online copies of textinfo content available?

2018-10-28 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 26.10.18 22:39, Brian wrote: > On Fri 26 Oct 2018 at 15:13:20 -0500, Dennis Wicks wrote: > > I agree, and I have found a lot of info "complete manual"s > > to be exactly like the man page! > > Please give an example. Anyone who has tried info a number of times, in the hope of finding a bit mor

Re: Online copies of textinfo content available?

2018-10-28 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 26.10.18 19:17, Brian wrote: > On Fri 26 Oct 2018 at 13:20:36 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Agreed, a good man page is the best. I've no clue why there seems to be > > an aversion to a man page that has to be scrolled to read it all. All of > > us have up/down arrows on our keyboards, and 99%

Re: Online copies of textinfo content available?

2018-10-28 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 26.10.18 13:20, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 26 October 2018 10:41:54 Richard Owlett wrote: > > 1. I don't want to install unneeded packages just to find out whether > > or not the package might be useful. > > 2. The info output has an annoying format. A browser acceptable format > > {pla

Re: versioning file system

2018-10-28 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 26.10.18 13:05, David Christensen wrote: > When programming, I tend to do check-in's when I make some kind of progress > (ideally, the code builds and the test suite passes). Yup, the smaller edits of bugfixes aren't going to threaten code stability. > > The trap is when I work for a while, m

Re: versioning file system

2018-10-28 Thread David Christensen
On 10/28/18 11:35 AM, David Christensen wrote: Moving bike shed discussion off-list... On 10/28/18 7:42 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 02:46:16PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: I would postulate that most of us use what is provided OOTB -- e.g. by the Debian installer (d

Re: www-data

2018-10-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 28 October 2018 18:42:41 mick crane wrote: > On 2018-10-28 21:38, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > > On 29/10/2018 10:26, Carl Fink wrote: > >> On 10/28/2018 05:16 PM, mick crane wrote: > >>> what's the deal with www-data ? > >>> I never made that user > >>> I dunno if it has a password or wh

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 28 October 2018 15:22:32 Brian wrote: > On Sun 28 Oct 2018 at 12:04:54 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Maybe its time we let this thread die, it is working now, as I have > > other hardware problems to deal with ATM. With shipping delays > > delays from the Chinglish writers, till around

Re: www-data

2018-10-28 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 29/10/2018 11:42, mick crane wrote: I'm asking because somebody is saying that webmail server files should be owned by root but I don't know about that, if somebody as got so far to be www-data they might as well be root ? Web server configuration files are typically owned by root and not

Re: www-data

2018-10-28 Thread mick crane
On 2018-10-28 21:38, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: On 29/10/2018 10:26, Carl Fink wrote: On 10/28/2018 05:16 PM, mick crane wrote: what's the deal with www-data ? I never made that user I dunno if it has a password or what ? these are things that some setup / install makes ? It's created by the Ap

Re: www-data

2018-10-28 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 29/10/2018 10:26, Carl Fink wrote: On 10/28/2018 05:16 PM, mick crane wrote: what's the deal with www-data ? I never made that user I dunno if it has a password or what ? these are things that some setup / install makes ? It's created by the Apache installer. Check the Apache docs. And I s

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread David
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 at 09:59, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 27 October 2018 18:49:13 Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 27 October 2018 18:20:16 David wrote: > > > > > > There seems to be an ongoing theme here with lines that look like > > > *search hosts dns > > > popping up in other place

Re: www-data

2018-10-28 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 29/10/2018 10:26, Carl Fink wrote: On 10/28/2018 05:16 PM, mick crane wrote: what's the deal with www-data ? I never made that user I dunno if it has a password or what ? these are things that some setup / install makes ? It's created by the Apache installer. Check the Apache docs. And it

Re: www-data

2018-10-28 Thread Carl Fink
On 10/28/2018 05:16 PM, mick crane wrote: what's the deal with www-data ? I never made that user I dunno if it has a password or what ? these are things that some setup / install makes ? mick It's created by the Apache installer. Check the Apache docs. -- Carl Fink c...@finknetwork.

www-data

2018-10-28 Thread mick crane
what's the deal with www-data ? I never made that user I dunno if it has a password or what ? these are things that some setup / install makes ? mick -- Key ID4BFEBB31

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread Brian
On Sun 28 Oct 2018 at 12:04:54 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Maybe its time we let this thread die, it is working now, as I have other > hardware problems to deal with ATM. With shipping delays delays from the > Chinglish writers, till around thanksgiving here in the yuuh ess aye. > Needless to

Re: qemu redirecting guest output in terminal

2018-10-28 Thread john doe
Hi, On 10/28/2018 6:37 PM, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 05:51:13PM +0100, john doe wrote: >> On 10/26/2018 4:44 PM, Reco wrote: >>> Nah, we don't do Windows here. Way too many quirks for my personal >>> taste. >>> What you can try is to replace stdio with telnet: >>> >>>

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 28 October 2018 12:23:35 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 12:04:54PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 07:04:02AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > Ever consider you're doing it the wrong way? > > > > > This will work: > > > > > > > > > > ifac

Re: Mystery interface reported by ip.

2018-10-28 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 11:18:09AM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > root@joule:/etc# ip link show | grep rename > 4: rename4: mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT > group default qlen 1000 > > root@joule:/etc# find . -type f -exec grep "rename4" '{}' \; -print > root@joule:/

Mystery interface reported by ip.

2018-10-28 Thread peter
root@joule:/etc# ip link show | grep rename 4: rename4: mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000 root@joule:/etc# find . -type f -exec grep "rename4" '{}' \; -print root@joule:/etc# So ip reports an interface named rename4 but it doesn't appear anywhere in /etc/. Wh

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread Brian
On Sun 28 Oct 2018 at 12:56:13 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2018-10-28 at 12:23, Reco wrote: > > > > Gene, if I needed a *normal* result of this sequence I'd asked for > > one. What I've asked was a *broken* one, which does not get a default > > route as a result. > > If I'm understanding wha

Re: qemu redirecting guest output in terminal

2018-10-28 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 05:51:13PM +0100, john doe wrote: > On 10/26/2018 4:44 PM, Reco wrote: > > Nah, we don't do Windows here. Way too many quirks for my personal > > taste. > > What you can try is to replace stdio with telnet: > > > > qemu -hda debian.img -m 1024 \ > > -chard

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 12:56:13PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2018-10-28 at 12:23, Reco wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 12:04:54PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > [that in a previous message, Reco wrote:] > > >>> interfaces(5), the usual place. > >> > >> I

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread john doe
On 10/28/2018 5:56 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2018-10-28 at 12:23, Reco wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 12:04:54PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > [that in a previous message, Reco wrote:] > interfaces(5), the usual place. >>> >>> I just checked that man page on wheezy,

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread The Wanderer
On 2018-10-28 at 12:23, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 12:04:54PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: [that in a previous message, Reco wrote:] >>> interfaces(5), the usual place. >> >> I just checked that man page on wheezy, jessie and stretch, and no >> examples are found using

Re: qemu redirecting guest output in terminal

2018-10-28 Thread john doe
On 10/26/2018 4:44 PM, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 03:34:55PM +0200, john doe wrote: Run QEMU this way: qemu -hda debian.img -m 1024 -nographic \ -kernel vmlinux -append 'console=ttyS0,115200n8' \ -initrd initrd.gz Replace -kernel, -

Re: nftables howto?

2018-10-28 Thread Kamil Jońca
Curt writes: > On 2018-10-28, Kamil Jońca wrote: >> >> Recent upgrade surprised me with iptables->nftables migration. >> I understand I should prepare to migrate, but I cannot found >> comprehensive documentation of nftables. >> For example: >> >> In my ipsec updown script I have something like:

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 12:04:54PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 07:04:02AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > Ever consider you're doing it the wrong way? > > > > This will work: > > > > > > > > iface eth0 inet static > > > > address 192.168.NN.12 > >

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 28 October 2018 10:51:50 Michael Stone wrote: > On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 10:58:49PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >It *looks* like a misunderstood reference to nsswitch.conf maybe: > > > >hosts: files dns > > We've been through this before, explained it thoroughly, he never > li

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 28 October 2018 08:43:33 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 07:04:02AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Ever consider you're doing it the wrong way? > > > This will work: > > > > > > iface eth0 inet static > > > address 192.168.NN.12 > > > netmask 24 > > > gateway

Re: resolv.conf (was i386 version for chrome)

2018-10-28 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Reco wrote: So, answering your original question, you have working name resolution because you have a caching nameserver on your laptop. My money's on dnsmasq. you are right: I had bind installed on my laptop, but on my desktop the bind9 package was missing. After inst

Re: Sid: NFS after upgrade [solved] please fix /etc/init.d/rpcbind

2018-10-28 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2018-10-28 16:58 +, Grzesiek Sójka wrote: > On 10/28/18 2:10 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: >> Wouldn't it be better to fix the init system that sets such a bad >> default PATH? Whatever init system that may be - sysv-rc's >> /etc/init.d/rc script sets PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin, so this

Re: Sid: NFS after upgrade [solved] please fix /etc/init.d/rpcbind

2018-10-28 Thread Grzesiek Sójka
On 10/28/18 2:10 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: Wouldn't it be better to fix the init system that sets such a bad default PATH? Whatever init system that may be - sysv-rc's /etc/init.d/rc script sets PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin, so this should not happen with sysvinit + sysv-rc. Please, keep

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 10:58:49PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: It *looks* like a misunderstood reference to nsswitch.conf maybe: hosts: files dns We've been through this before, explained it thoroughly, he never listens, then he brings it back again and the cycle repeats. It's impo

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 01:13:07PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Sorry Steve, but your claim that its simply not true, pulls my trigger, best to duck. You doing it wrong and refusing to listen when people try to correct you is no reason for anyohne else to "duck" as if they're at fault.

Re: versioning file system

2018-10-28 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 02:46:16PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: I would postulate that most of us use what is provided OOTB -- e.g. by the Debian installer (d-i) -- and what is fully integrated/ supported into the distribution -- e.g. Apt, systemd, userspace, whatever. Perhaps when I said "

Re: nftables howto?

2018-10-28 Thread Curt
On 2018-10-28, Kamil Jońca wrote: > > Recent upgrade surprised me with iptables->nftables migration. > I understand I should prepare to migrate, but I cannot found > comprehensive documentation of nftables. > For example: > > In my ipsec updown script I have something like: > --8<---cu

Re: Sid: NFS after upgrade [solved] please fix /etc/init.d/rpcbind

2018-10-28 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2018-10-28 14:47 +, Grzesiek Sójka wrote: > On 10/28/18 11:27 AM, Grzesiek Sójka wrote: >> Hi there, >> >> I just upgraded Sid and now I get the following during boot: >> >> [] Configuring network interfaces.../etc/init.d/rpcbind: 42: >> /etc/init.d/rpcbind: stat: not found >> /run/rpcb

nftables howto?

2018-10-28 Thread Kamil Jońca
Recent upgrade surprised me with iptables->nftables migration. I understand I should prepare to migrate, but I cannot found comprehensive documentation of nftables. For example: In my ipsec updown script I have something like: --8<---cut here---start->8--- ipt

Re: resolv.conf (was i386 version for chrome)

2018-10-28 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 04:17:17PM +0300, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 02:13:30PM +0100, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > > On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Reco wrote: > > > > > strace getent hosts bad.solutions > > > > thanks for your answer, but the output is rather obscure

Re: resolv.conf (was i386 version for chrome)

2018-10-28 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 02:13:30PM +0100, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Reco wrote: > > > strace getent hosts bad.solutions > > thanks for your answer, but the output is rather obscure for a non-guru > user, > except a lot of "no such file or directory" > In pa

Re: resolv.conf (was i386 version for chrome)

2018-10-28 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Reco wrote: strace getent hosts bad.solutions thanks for your answer, but the output is rather obscure for a non-guru user, except a lot of "no such file or directory" In particular, I don't see how to explain the difference of behaviour on my 2 computers. best re

Re: resolv.conf (was i386 version for chrome)

2018-10-28 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 12:53:11PM +0100, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Curt wrote: > > > So it seems your config would create the following entries in > > /etc/resolv.conf > > > > nameserver 192.168.NN.1 > > search hosts dns > > > > hi, > I thought it was bett

Re: Sid: NFS after upgrade [solved] please fix /etc/init.d/rpcbind

2018-10-28 Thread Grzesiek Sójka
On 10/28/18 11:27 AM, Grzesiek Sójka wrote: Hi there, I just upgraded Sid and now I get the following during boot: [] Configuring network interfaces.../etc/init.d/rpcbind: 42: /etc/init.d/rpcbind: stat: not found /run/rpcbind not owned by root failed! Starting NFS common utilities: statd

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 07:04:02AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Ever consider you're doing it the wrong way? > > This will work: > > > > iface eth0 inet static > > address 192.168.NN.12 > > netmask 24 > > gateway 192.168.NN.1 > > > in 20 years, I have never seen that synt

Re: Output lagging from terminal

2018-10-28 Thread Per Dalgas Jakobsen
On 10/28/2018 01:26 PM, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, at 12:07, Per Dalgas Jakobsen wrote: From shell running: while true; do date +%s.%N; sleep 1; done In all cases, the output content is as expected: regular increment of the time displayed, however the time at which the lines ar

Re: Output lagging from terminal

2018-10-28 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, at 12:07, Per Dalgas Jakobsen wrote: > From shell running: while true; do date +%s.%N; sleep 1; done > > In all cases, the output content is as expected: regular increment of > the time displayed, however the time at which the lines are displayed is > not regular. How much

Output lagging from terminal

2018-10-28 Thread Per Dalgas Jakobsen
From shell running: while true; do date +%s.%N; sleep 1; done In all cases, the output content is as expected: regular increment of the time displayed, however the time at which the lines are displayed is not regular. I have an Lenovo X1 Gen 5, with a Thunderbolt dock and DisplayPort monitor

resolv.conf (was i386 version for chrome)

2018-10-28 Thread Pierre Frenkiel
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018, Curt wrote: So it seems your config would create the following entries in /etc/resolv.conf nameserver 192.168.NN.1 search hosts dns hi, I thought it was better to rename this thread, as the discussion shifted a little. I have a question about resolv.conf: I tri

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 28 October 2018 06:30:32 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 05:59:52AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Sunday 28 October 2018 02:55:09 Reco wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 05:35:49PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > On Saturday 27 October 2018

Re: trying to redirect display output from laptop to a TV through its HDMI port ...

2018-10-28 Thread Curt
On 2018-10-28, mett wrote: > > Hi > seems it is written > HDMI-1 > and not > HDMI1 > > hth > I think running 'xrandr' without any arguments shows the available outputs, but I believe you're on the right track. -- "Now she understood that Anna could not have been in lilac, and that her charm w

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 28 October 2018 04:53:10 Curt wrote: > On 2018-10-27, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> Gene, the line > >> > >> > >dns-search hosts dns > >> > >> that you show above does not match anything documented by > >> the manpages on wheezy. I checked > >> interfaces(5) > >> resolv.conf(5) > >> re

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 05:59:52AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Sunday 28 October 2018 02:55:09 Reco wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 05:35:49PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Saturday 27 October 2018 14:37:38 Reco wrote: > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > >

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Sunday 28 October 2018 02:55:09 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 05:35:49PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 27 October 2018 14:37:38 Reco wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > > > On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 01:13:07PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > Then give me an install th

Re: trying to redirect display output from laptop to a TV through its HDMI port ...

2018-10-28 Thread mett
On 2018年10月28日 18:35:37 JST, Albretch Mueller wrote: >On 10/23/18, deloptes wrote: >> I think this should help >> xrandr --output HDMI1 --auto > > For whatever reason it is not clear from the output of the commandd >that I am indeed using a SAMSUNG LCD Monitor connected to one of its >HDMI ports:

Re: trying to redirect display output from laptop to a TV through its HDMI port ...

2018-10-28 Thread Albretch Mueller
On 10/23/18, deloptes wrote: > I think this should help > xrandr --output HDMI1 --auto For whatever reason it is not clear from the output of the commandd that I am indeed using a SAMSUNG LCD Monitor connected to one of its HDMI ports: $ xrandr --output HDMI1 --auto warning: output HDMI1 not fo

Sid: NFS after upgrade

2018-10-28 Thread Grzesiek Sójka
Hi there, I just upgraded Sid and now I get the following during boot: [] Configuring network interfaces.../etc/init.d/rpcbind: 42: /etc/init.d/rpcbind: stat: not found /run/rpcbind not owned by root failed! Starting NFS common utilities: statd Not starting: portmapper is not running ... (

Re: i386 version for chrome

2018-10-28 Thread Curt
On 2018-10-27, Gene Heskett wrote: >> >> Gene, the line >> >> > >dns-search hosts dns >> >> that you show above does not match anything documented by >> the manpages on wheezy. I checked >> interfaces(5) >> resolv.conf(5) >> resolvconf(8) >> nsswitch.conf(5) >> >> Gene, what are you trying