Re: hostname

2018-04-02 Thread john doe
On 3/30/2018 6:30 PM, David Wright wrote: On Wed 21 Feb 2018 at 09:03:41 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 01:48:32PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote: On 20/02/18 05:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: You appear to be concerned that your hostname contains secret information, and that hav

Re: changing local domain name

2018-04-02 Thread john doe
On 3/30/2018 6:11 PM, David Wright wrote: On Fri 30 Mar 2018 at 08:05:31 (+0200), john doe wrote: On 3/29/2018 9:56 PM, mick crane wrote: On 2018-03-29 19:34, Curt wrote: On 2018-03-29, mick crane wrote: following recent about hostname it seems I've been under misunderstanding that ".local"

Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager

2018-04-02 Thread Richard Hector
On 03/04/18 01:07, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > the plaintext passwords would > disappear from RAM (except to the extent that (iiuc) there are (NSA) ways to > recover the contents of RAM if power is restored to the machine fairly > quickly). I'm not sure you actually need to be the NSA for that.

Re: install archived debian from minimal / network-console image

2018-04-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 12:11 PM, basti wrote: > hello, i need to install debian squeeze because newer versions have > different errors for example bug #699667. That particular bug is fixed in jessie and later. If you have any other issues, please report bugs about them. > kernel 3.16 and newer

LXC/systemd log messages

2018-04-02 Thread Richard Hector
Hi all, I'm seeing lots of these on my containers: systemd[1]: .(service|slice|scope|mount): Failed to reset devices.list: Operation not permitted Searching the web reveals similar problems with unprivileged containers, but mine are (as far as I know) privileged; I haven't really investigated un

install archived debian from minimal / network-console image

2018-04-02 Thread basti
hello, i need to install debian squeeze because newer versions have different errors for example bug #699667. kernel 3.16 and newer had problems with sata bus and no hdd was found. i can't found a download link for kernel 3.8.12-1 in a debian version. my question is, what is the right url for debi

Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations)

2018-04-02 Thread der.hans
Am 02. Apr, 2018 schwätzte rhkra...@gmail.com so: moin moin, Just continuing to think (or maybe not think ;-) about password managers / password security, changing the focus slightly (I think) but keeping the same thread. I'm now thinking about the security (or vulnurability) of passwords duri

Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager

2018-04-02 Thread Ben Finney
rhkra...@gmail.com writes: >* during copy and paste operations, the plaintext password could > remain on the C&P "stack". thus making it vulnurable: Some notes: > > (1) I've read about at least one password manager that, somehow, > deletes the plaintext password from the copy and paste "

Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, On Mon, 2 Apr 2018 08:37:54 -0400 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > A few weeks ago, I was looking for a byte that, in UTF-8, would be a > totally invalid byte (not an invalid sequence of bytes). At the time, > I tried some googling, but it looked rather hopeless (maybe it was my > googling that w

Re: changing local domain name

2018-04-02 Thread David Wright
On Sat 31 Mar 2018 at 19:40:02 (+0100), Joe wrote: > On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 10:15:48 -0500 > David Wright wrote: > > > On Sat 31 Mar 2018 at 12:35:08 (+0100), Joe wrote: > > > > > > If you lease a public domain name, there is no real > > > difficulty about using it also in a private network, just

Re: utf

2018-04-02 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 02/04/18 19:39, Andre Majorel wrote: On 2018-04-02 08:00 +1200, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: Why? UTF (especially UTF-8) is vastly superior for all purposes: I wouldn't say that. UTF-8 breaks a number of assumptions. For instance, 1) every character has the same size, 2) every byte sequence is

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 03/04/18 02:08, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: Also, the ATA enhanced erase is, as far as I know, the best option for wiping an SSD. +1. It may also erase things like reserved space and bad blocks that are not visible via the block device and thus immune to shred. ATA security erase is the fac

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread John Hasler
Michael Stone writes: > The main reasons to look at degaussing or other methods of destruction > are 1) for extremely sensitive data, 2) for drives which are broken > (it's quite possible for something to be too broken to overwrite, but > not too broken to extract data) or 3) because it's > quicker

Re: Unknown Systemd version

2018-04-02 Thread David Wright
On Mon 02 Apr 2018 at 18:16:15 (+0200), Laurent Lyaudet wrote: > I'm using Stretch. I do security updates daily. > On 29th of march, I had an update for systemd : > > 2018-03-29 21:53:53 startup archives unpack > 2018-03-29 21:53:59 upgrade libsystemd0:amd64 232-25+deb9u2 232-25+deb9u3 > 2018-03-2

Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread rhkramer
Thanks, again, to Henrique and tomas for the followups! On Monday, April 02, 2018 02:40:55 PM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 03:18:38PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:

Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 08:40:55PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 03:18:38PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > On Mon, 02 Apr 2018, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > The wikipedia article is rather interesting, in a

Re: All of my enoX interfaces are mapped to eth0

2018-04-02 Thread David Wright
On Mon 02 Apr 2018 at 11:34:40 (-0400), David Parker wrote: > I don't normally set IP addresses on interfaces which I know to be offline, > so perhaps my methodology here was flawed. In this case, I set IP > addresses on eno2, eno3, and eno4 to test whether or not they were actually > discrete int

Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 03:18:38PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Mon, 02 Apr 2018, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > The wikipedia article is rather interesting, in a quick skim, I learned > > some > > interesting things about UTF-8, esp

Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations)

2018-04-02 Thread rhkramer
Thanks to tomas, Roberto, and likcoras! All good points! I'm embarrassed to admit that I hadn't thought (at least to the best of my recent recollection) of the need to encrypt swap--that's something I'll want to deal with soon. On Monday, April 02, 2018 09:15:08 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > O

Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 02 Apr 2018, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > The wikipedia article is rather interesting, in a quick skim, I learned some > interesting things about UTF-8, especially the property of self- > synchronization. Yes, UTF-8 is a brilliant design. > I had trouble reading that large table--but if I

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread John Hasler
Curt writes: > I guess the only means of verifying whether your data has been > effectively destroyed is by attempting to recover it; as the > threat-scenarios spoken about here (by individuals) generally posit > attackers (corporate or governmental) with more resources at their > disposal than the

Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread rhkramer
Thanks to tomas and Henrique! The wikipedia article is rather interesting, in a quick skim, I learned some interesting things about UTF-8, especially the property of self- synchronization. I had trouble reading that large table--but if I simply take the red boxes at face value, maybe there are

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread rhkramer
On Monday, April 02, 2018 09:40:40 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > The foremost question which I want to ask is, what is the universal > (world wide) understanding behind degaussing hard drives? ... > All these was last Friday. In the midst of our argument over the > cellular network

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 05:10:41PM +, Curt wrote: I took a hammer once to an old hard drive; frankly, I don't know whether I killed it or not. But they don't call 'em "hard" drives for nothin', I'll tell ya that. The hammer method is far more satisfying with glass platters. :)

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 11:23:29AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: The equipment required for degaussing isn't very special (though it *does* require an AC magnet). You need to match the strength of the equipment to the media in use. Modern hard disks need fairly strong fields to fully erase, and th

Re: Unknown Systemd version

2018-04-02 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2018-04-02 18:16 +0200, Laurent Lyaudet wrote: > I'm using Stretch. I do security updates daily. > On 29th of march, I had an update for systemd : > I checked that there was no security update for Systemd. > Moreover, if I look at one package in particular, let's say libsystemd0, > the update

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Curt
On 2018-04-02, John Hasler wrote: > Mike Stone writes: >> Degaussing a hard drive will render it inoperative. It's also >> relatively hard to do/requires special equipment. (Just waving a >> refrigerator magnet around isn't going to do it.) > > The equipment required for degaussing isn't very spec

Unknown Systemd version

2018-04-02 Thread Laurent Lyaudet
Hello, I'm using Stretch. I do security updates daily. On 29th of march, I had an update for systemd : 2018-03-29 21:53:53 startup archives unpack 2018-03-29 21:53:59 upgrade libsystemd0:amd64 232-25+deb9u2 232-25+deb9u3 2018-03-29 21:53:59 status triggers-pending libc-bin:amd64 2.24-11+deb9u3 20

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread John Hasler
Mike Stone writes: > Degaussing a hard drive will render it inoperative. It's also > relatively hard to do/requires special equipment. (Just waving a > refrigerator magnet around isn't going to do it.) The equipment required for degaussing isn't very special (though it *does* require an AC magnet)

Re: apt{-cache,-get,itude} show wrong version of package after update

2018-04-02 Thread David Wright
On Mon 02 Apr 2018 at 10:53:07 (+0200), Jean-Baptiste Thomas wrote: > The reason why it failed is that it looked for Packages.xz which > did not exist on my mirror. The reason why my mirror did not > have a Packages.xz file is that it was made with the version of > debmirror in Debian 8, which onl

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Michael Stone
Degaussing a hard drive will render it inoperative. It's also relatively hard to do/requires special equipment. (Just waving a refrigerator magnet around isn't going to do it.) Degaussing should be understood as a final step before discarding equipment. (And, for what it's worth, it's not a pro

Re: All of my enoX interfaces are mapped to eth0

2018-04-02 Thread David Parker
I don't normally set IP addresses on interfaces which I know to be offline, so perhaps my methodology here was flawed. In this case, I set IP addresses on eno2, eno3, and eno4 to test whether or not they were actually discrete interfaces, or if they were all somehow mapped to the one interface whi

Re: What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 09:40:40PM +0800, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > Good evening from Singapore! > > The foremost question which I want to ask is, what is the universal > (world wide) understanding behind degaussing hard drives? > [Snip long and entertaining problem description] >

Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager

2018-04-02 Thread likcoras
On 04/02/2018 10:07 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: >* during copy and paste operations, the plaintext password could remain on > the C&P "stack". thus making it vulnurable: Some notes: This is a semi-valid concern, depends on your usage patterns. For example, some browsers may expose a JS API

What is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing harddisks?

2018-04-02 Thread Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
Good evening from Singapore! The foremost question which I want to ask is, what is the universal (world wide) understanding behind degaussing hard drives? I work for No Secrets Agency (NSA) Pte Ltd (fictitious company name used). My sales manager Edward Joseph Snowden (fictitious individual name

Re: utf

2018-04-02 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 07:43:23AM +, Curt wrote: > The thought provoked in my neurological matter was why there are other > locales at all if UTF8 (the locale of this here .homie machine, BTW) is > "vastly superior for all purposes". > > That leaves no purposes remaining whatsoever for the my

Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations)

2018-04-02 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 09:07:16AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > The first two situations that come to mind include: > >* during copy and paste operations, the plaintext password could remain on > the C&P "stack". thus making it vulnurable: Some notes: > > (1) I've read about

Re: Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations)

2018-04-02 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 09:07:16AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Just continuing to think (or maybe not think ;-) about password managers / [...] I don't know of the others (I never felt the need for a PW manager myself) but... >* during

Chaniging focus: security ouitside a password manager (was: Re: Password Manager opinions and recommendations)

2018-04-02 Thread rhkramer
Just continuing to think (or maybe not think ;-) about password managers / password security, changing the focus slightly (I think) but keeping the same thread. I'm now thinking about the security (or vulnurability) of passwords during "normal" usage--I mean, I'm thinking about the times when

Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 02 Apr 2018, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > A few weeks ago, I was looking for a byte that, in UTF-8, would be a totally > invalid byte (not an invalid sequence of bytes). At the time, I tried some > googling, but it looked rather hopeless (maybe it was my googling that was > hopeless). 0

Re: Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Apr 02, 2018 at 08:37:54AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Monday, April 02, 2018 03:39:05 AM Andre Majorel wrote: > > > Why? UTF (especially UTF-8) is vastly superior for all purposes: > > I wouldn't say that. UTF-8 breaks a number of as

Invalid UTF-8 byte? (was: Re: utf)

2018-04-02 Thread rhkramer
On Monday, April 02, 2018 03:39:05 AM Andre Majorel wrote: > > Why? UTF (especially UTF-8) is vastly superior for all purposes: > I wouldn't say that. UTF-8 breaks a number of assumptions. For > instance, > 1) every character has the same size, > 2) every byte sequence is a valid character, A few

Re: utf

2018-04-02 Thread Richard Hector
On 02/04/18 19:43, Curt wrote: > The thought provoked in my neurological matter was why there are other > locales at all if UTF8 (the locale of this here .homie machine, BTW) is > "vastly superior for all purposes". There's more to the locale than the character set - things like default language,

Re: apt{-cache,-get,itude} show wrong version of package after update

2018-04-02 Thread Jean-Baptiste Thomas
>> What I'd like to know now is : what prevents apt-get from >> downloading the Packages file from the mirror ? Wget can ! > > Move all the files out of /var/lib/apt/lists/ so that apt-get update > has to download fresh copies. That should get you back on track. > > By all means take the opportuni

Re: utf

2018-04-02 Thread Curt
On 2018-04-01, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 4/1/18, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: >> On 02/04/18 02:05, mess-mate wrote: >>> howto change the system utf to eu character set ? >> >> Why? UTF (especially UTF-8) is vastly superior for all purposes: >> http://utf8everywhere.org/ >> >> What are you trying

Re: utf

2018-04-02 Thread Andre Majorel
On 2018-04-02 08:00 +1200, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > On 02/04/18 02:05, mess-mate wrote: > >howto change the system utf to eu character set ? > > Why? UTF (especially UTF-8) is vastly superior for all purposes: I wouldn't say that. UTF-8 breaks a number of assumptions. For instance, 1) every ch