Glenn writes:
> Even if there's an error in the release note? Less than optimal way to
> run a train.
You can't retroactively fix the release notes: they are part of the
already released release. All you can do is publish an errata and
correct the error in the next point release.
--
John Hasler
On 12/07/2017 02:31 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 10:02:56AM +, Tixy wrote:
I'm running Jessie (with systemd running but booting with sysvinit) and
trying to execute halt/poweroff/reboot/shutdown from a terminal without
root privileges gives an error saying I must be su
The OP has never been seen again since the original post. Just sayin’...
On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 9:39 Menelaos Maglis wrote:
> Joe writes:
>
> > I think there's a case for asking which way to set it during an expert
> > install or during the upgrade that reversed the default setting.
>
> I think
On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 9:07 PM, John Hasler wrote:
> Gene Heskitt writes:
>> So now, no effort will ever be made to fix the man pages. Hell of a
>> way to run a train.
>
> That doesn't follow. The release note are specific to the release and
> thus obviously cannot be fixed.
Even if there's an
On 08/12/17 16:55, Richard Hector wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm generally a happy user of logcheck, but it makes a lot of noise at
> boot time, from kernel messages and startup scripts.
>
> There are two problems with this: Firstly, it's a lot of work to go
> through and create filters for just me - I
Joe writes:
> I think there's a case for asking which way to set it during an expert
> install or during the upgrade that reversed the default setting.
I think it is policy not to touch locally changed configuration during
upgrades. Usually packages ask what to do and/or provide information
when
On Fri 08 Dec 2017 at 23:06:00 +, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:12:18 -0500
> Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
>
> >
> > I do remember having to give a password, but I don't remember how long
> > ago now. And I have too much open right now to test drive whether mine
> > does it or not these day
tomas writes:
> Not a fan of systemd here (have outed myself this way clearly enough,
> I think), but systemd is pretty well documented, for sure.
Is the Debian default configuration of Systemd also well documented?
--
John Hasler
jhas...@newsguy.com
Elmwood, WI USA
On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:12:18 -0500
Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:
>
> I do remember having to give a password, but I don't remember how long
> ago now. And I have too much open right now to test drive whether mine
> does it or not these days.. :)
>
As I did the other day. I've tried it now (up-to-date
On 12/7/17, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 11:26:45AM +1300, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote:
>> Special privileges have been granted to console users for as long as I
>> can
>> remember, long before systemd, because they have physical access to the
>> machine. Console users typically ar
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On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 03:29:20PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
[...]
> Which until now I have never seen its supposed advantages touted. Maybe I
> don't subscribe to the right lists?
Hey, to each her/his own...
> rant mode on!
>
> Couldn't a lot o
Gene Heskitt writes:
> So now, no effort will ever be made to fix the man pages. Hell of a
> way to run a train.
That doesn't follow. The release note are specific to the release and
thus obviously cannot be fixed. The man pages can be fixed in any
future release of the subject packages. File b
On Friday 08 December 2017 14:26:41 Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 07:09:06PM +0100, Menelaos Maglis wrote:
> >>> > Basically, it was a completely inconsistent mess before systemd.
> >>> > Now you at least have a central place where you can configure
> >>> > your system behaviou
On Friday 08 December 2017 13:09:06 Menelaos Maglis wrote:
> >> > Basically, it was a completely inconsistent mess before systemd.
> >> > Now you at least have a central place where you can configure
> >> > your system behaviour.
> >
> > In the past, we had *no consistency*: inittab had one thing,
On Fri 08 Dec 2017 at 14:31:25 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> On 12/08/2017 01:46 PM, Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 08 Dec 2017 at 07:25:48 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> >
> > > For the *VAST majority* of my searches, I don't know the folder where the
> > > desired file is. Either I'm researching a pr
On 12/08/2017 01:46 PM, Brian wrote:
On Fri 08 Dec 2017 at 07:25:48 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
For the *VAST majority* of my searches, I don't know the folder where the
desired file is. Either I'm researching a problem with an unfamiliar program
or I know that very similar file names exist in
to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> Now watch all the old skoolers dashing out of their little caves and
> waving their fists at something which could be read as a provocation
> (I'm myself one of those, just look a bit upthread :)
>
It is not about old or new, but about known and unknown. Unkown exposes
On Fri 08 Dec 2017 at 19:26:41 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 07:09:06PM +0100, Menelaos Maglis wrote:
> > > > > Basically, it was a completely inconsistent mess before systemd.
> > > > > Now you at least have a central place where you can configure your
> > > > > system
On Fri 08 Dec 2017 at 07:25:48 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> For the *VAST majority* of my searches, I don't know the folder where the
> desired file is. Either I'm researching a problem with an unfamiliar program
> or I know that very similar file names exist in several folders.
>
> Therefore,
On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 07:09:06PM +0100, Menelaos Maglis wrote:
> Basically, it was a completely inconsistent mess before systemd.
> Now you at least have a central place where you can configure your
> system behaviour.
In the past, we had *no consistency*: inittab had one thing, display
manage
> I'll look into LogMein later today or tomorrow
A free option but they irritate you with advertising is Teamviewer
FREE for individual use.
Just pay attention and keep it patched up. They keep finding security holes...
WFIW,
Richard
Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> That is really the problem that I have with this while issue that was
> brought up. I get that it is a "sensible" default to allow users on the
> console (TTY or via DM) permission to reboot the machine. However, when
> an admin has configured the system to disallow t
>> > Basically, it was a completely inconsistent mess before systemd.
>> > Now you at least have a central place where you can configure your
>> > system behaviour.
> In the past, we had *no consistency*: inittab had one thing, display
> managers another, ACPI scripts another...if you wanted a spec
>> > Basically, it was a completely inconsistent mess before systemd.
>> > Now you at least have a central place where you can configure your
>> > system behaviour.
> In the past, we had *no consistency*: inittab had one thing, display
> managers another, ACPI scripts another...if you wanted a spec
On 2017-12-08, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Fri, 2017-12-08 at 12:17 +0100, deloptes wrote:
>> Michael Biebl wrote:
>>
>> > Basically, it was a completely inconsistent mess before systemd.
>> > Now you at least have a central place where you can configure your
>> > system behaviour.
>>
>> This i
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On Friday, December 08, 2017 11:01:52 AM Mark Fletcher wrote:
> I think you have two options — a paid service like LogMeIn or OpenVPN.
>
> LogMeIn is the easier option if a solution is considered worth money. Your
> friend would install LogMeIn on their Windows computer and you’d need a
> Windows,
On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 23:47 wrote:
> This may become on-topic if I need to learn how to set up a VPN, and
> especially if I have to have a non-computer savvy person at the other end
> (using a Windows computer) do something to set up the VPN on their end.
>
> I have a friend about 100 miles away
On Fri, 2017-12-08 at 12:17 +0100, deloptes wrote:
> Michael Biebl wrote:
>
> > Basically, it was a completely inconsistent mess before systemd.
> > Now you at least have a central place where you can configure your
> > system behaviour.
>
> This is your opinion - if you can not understand the "m
On 12/08, behrad eslami wrote:
Hi
I have Thinkpad x260 with debian stretch. I switch to kernel 4.13 in backport ,
because hibernate work well. But headphones not work.
# lspci -k...00:1f.3 Audio device: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-LP HD Audio
(rev 21) Subsystem: Lenovo Sunrise Point-LP HD
On 08.12.2017 17:35, Alexandre Rossi wrote:
> (please CC me as I am not subscribed to the list)
>
>> A screenshot would be helpful. Does these artifacts appear every single time
>> or sporadically?
> The artifact appear at the same place every single time and seem to
> follow (in videos) a single s
This may become on-topic if I need to learn how to set up a VPN, and
especially if I have to have a non-computer savvy person at the other end
(using a Windows computer) do something to set up the VPN on their end.
I have a friend about 100 miles away with an IP device (specifically, an Obi
100
For the *VAST majority* of my searches, I don't know the folder where
the desired file is. Either I'm researching a problem with an unfamiliar
program or I know that very similar file names exist in several folders.
Therefore, I wish to set "Look in folder: to "File System".
How?
TIA
(please CC me as I am not subscribed to the list)
> A screenshot would be helpful. Does these artifacts appear every single time
> or sporadically?
The artifact appear at the same place every single time and seem to
follow (in videos) a single set of colors (dark brownish areas). You
can look at
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On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 12:17:16PM +0100, deloptes wrote:
> Michael Biebl wrote:
>
> > Basically, it was a completely inconsistent mess before systemd.
[...]
> This is your opinion - if you can not understand the "mess" it is a mess.
> For most o
On Fri, Dec 08, 2017 at 10:17:36AM +0100, Menelaos Maglis wrote:
>
> It is an improvement to have a consistent (central) way to configure
> this behavior.
>
> It is probably a "good thing" to allow users with physical access to
> reboot/shutdown a desktop/laptop system.
>
> It is probably not a
Michael Biebl wrote:
> Basically, it was a completely inconsistent mess before systemd.
> Now you at least have a central place where you can configure your
> system behaviour.
This is your opinion - if you can not understand the "mess" it is a mess.
For most of us who dislike systemd your same s
>>> I wonder how can such a severe bug make it into a Debian stable
>>> distribution? And is this just an insane default setting on Debian's
>>> side or is it yet another instance of brain-dead systemd behavior?
>>
>> Maybe I am just a brain-dead loony, but personally I prefer to be able to
>> sh
On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 09:37:25AM -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 03:03:44AM -0600, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> >
> > I no longer have any non-systemd machines handy to verify this on, but
> > my memory is that I have *always* been able to use halt/poweroff/reboot
> > comma
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On Thu, Dec 07, 2017 at 08:03:47PM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
[...]
> Basically, it was a completely inconsistent mess before systemd.
> Now you at least have a central place where you can configure your
> system behaviour.
Hey, I'm "before systemd
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