Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Ben Finney
Richard Owlett writes: > On 12/03/2017 04:14 AM, Ben Finney wrote: > > What specific features must the device omit, to meet this criterion? > > Presence of internal hardware capable of radiating in cell network > spectrum (omitting SIM card insufficient). If that is the *only* way to satisfy you

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Stefan Monnier
> It has an antenna. A sharp knife or some conductive tape or adhesive > and Bob's your uncle. Hmm... I thought the antenna on those devices nowadays are physically just traces printed on a PCB. They're not necessarily very easy to find AFAIK (hell, just opening the device such that you can clos

Re: BIOS Can Not Find Disk

2017-12-03 Thread David Christensen
On 12/03/17 21:17, David Christensen wrote: But, it was not a total loss -- I can now dissect the SSD. More info: # lsblk /dev/sda NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT sda 8:00 14.9G 0 disk |-sda1 8:10 953M 0 part `-sda2 8:20 4.7G 0 part # parted /dev/sda u s p

Re: BIOS Can Not Find Disk

2017-12-03 Thread David Christensen
On 12/03/17 13:44, Dan Norton wrote: On 12/02/2017 02:35 PM, David Christensen wrote: I'm not making progress with this PC so I'll probably abandon GPT. The disk is 1T and it was handled by the extended partition scheme before this experiment and it probably can again. I still want to do LVM an

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-12-03 at 22:49, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 12/03/2017 06:26 PM, David Wright wrote: > >> On Sun 03 Dec 2017 at 08:21:46 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: >> >>> On 12/03/2017 04:14 AM, Ben Finney wrote: What specific features must the device omit, to meet this criterion? >>> >>> Prese

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread John Hasler
I wrote; > Disabling the radio in a smartphone should be easy. Stefan writes: > As a moral imperative, I agree. In practice it seems to be harder than > ... it should It has an antenna. A sharp knife or some conductive tape or adhesive and Bob's your uncle. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Richard Owlett
On 12/03/2017 06:26 PM, David Wright wrote: On Sun 03 Dec 2017 at 08:21:46 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: On 12/03/2017 04:14 AM, Ben Finney wrote: Richard Owlett writes: 6. *NOT* be a "smartphone". What specific features must the device omit, to meet this criterion? Presence of internal

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Disabling the radio in a smartphone should be easy. ^^ As a moral imperative, I agree. In practice it seems to be harder than ... it should Stefan

Re: BIOS Can Not Find Disk

2017-12-03 Thread Dan Norton
On 12/02/2017 02:35 PM, David Christensen wrote: [...] Where is /boot? Possibly, this is a better answer: $ df -Th Filesystem   Type  Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on [...] /dev/sda1    vfat  992K  855K  138K 87% /boot/efi /dev/mapper/debian8--vg-tmp 

Re: Why the release-critical bugs status page has erroneous colors in the plots?

2017-12-03 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 01 Dec 2017, Hörmetjan Yiltiz wrote: > Thanks! I missed that email on that page. I think we can discuss this > in the community with them here (forwarding here to them). > On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 10:48:26PM -0500, Hörmetjan Yilt

Re: Need Help restoring a filesystem on an external drive WD 'My Book'

2017-12-03 Thread David Wright
On Sun 03 Dec 2017 at 20:10:31 (+0100), Bernard wrote: > All of this raises a number of questions concerning safe storage of > data. What is available is far from reliable. Another problem is > that of usb ports : on two of my three computers, usb ports have > become faulty after 2-3 years ; on my

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread David Wright
On Sun 03 Dec 2017 at 08:21:46 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 12/03/2017 04:14 AM, Ben Finney wrote: > >Richard Owlett writes: > > > >>6. *NOT* be a "smartphone". > > > >What specific features must the device omit, to meet this criterion? > > Presence of internal hardware capable of radiatin

Re: BIOS Can Not Find Disk

2017-12-03 Thread Felix Miata
Pascal Hambourg composed on 2017-12-03 23:40 (UTC+0100): ... >>> Then, to proceed, remove /dev/sda1 partition followed by grub-install? > Removing the partition won't help. It is just useless, it does not harm. >> If sda1 is a type EEh partition, doing that will probably dig your hole too >> d

Re: BIOS Can Not Find Disk

2017-12-03 Thread Dan Norton
On 12/03/2017 02:04 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-04 08:00 (UTC-0500): Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-03 16:44 (UTC-0500): Note the above is currently from the future. Apparently the PC you are emailing from is advanced one day. Must be a result of m

Re: BIOS Can Not Find Disk

2017-12-03 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 03/12/2017 à 22:51, Felix Miata a écrit : Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-03 15:54 (UTC-0500): Pascal Hambourg wrote: Dan Norton composed: Yes, no grub in mbr - unless installer insists. Then what you wrote earlier was wrong : GRUB is not installed in /dev/sda1, and this partition is

Re: BIOS Can Not Find Disk

2017-12-03 Thread Felix Miata
Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-03 15:54 (UTC-0500): > Pascal Hambourg wrote: >> Dan Norton composed: >>> Yes, no grub in mbr - unless installer insists. >> Then what you wrote earlier was wrong : GRUB is not installed in >> /dev/sda1, and this partition is useless. As I wrote earlier, a BIOS

Re: BIOS Can Not Find Disk

2017-12-03 Thread Dan Norton
On 12/03/2017 02:16 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 04/12/2017 à 13:32, Dan Norton a écrit : On 12/03/2017 06:49 AM, Felix Miata wrote: Pascal Hambourg composed on 2017-12-03 10:49 (UTC+0100): Felix Miata composed: ... So I guess that the OP means that the core image of GRUB is in sda1, an

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Richard Owlett
On 12/03/2017 09:13 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 12/03/2017 07:35 AM, Tom Furie wrote: [snip] If you want "off the shelf", the closest that immediately comes to mind is something like a Microsoft Surface or similar. Quick web search doesn't indicate if any meet my requirements as a handheld.

Re: BIOS Can Not Find Disk

2017-12-03 Thread Dan Norton
On 12/03/2017 01:04 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-04 07:32 (UTC-0500): Note your posts are still coming from the future. Today ATM in zone -0500 it is still the 3rd of December. Felix Miata wrote: I'm pretty sure that was not OP's intent, i.e., none of Grub at all i

Re: BIOS Can Not Find Disk

2017-12-03 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 04/12/2017 à 13:32, Dan Norton a écrit : On 12/03/2017 06:49 AM, Felix Miata wrote: Pascal Hambourg composed on 2017-12-03 10:49 (UTC+0100): Felix Miata composed: ... So I guess that the OP means that the core image of GRUB is in sda1, and the boot image of GRUB is in the MBR of sda. (.

Re: inotifywait in bash script: space

2017-12-03 Thread B.M.
Dear all, thank you for your inputs - indeed, I had to add "eval" to my script to get it working. Best, Bernd On Samstag, 2. Dezember 2017 17:10:10 CET you wrote: > Dear all, > > not a Debian specific question, but I hope to get an answer here... > > I try to use inotifywait in a bash script

Re: Need Help restoring a filesystem on an external drive WD 'My Book'

2017-12-03 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Bernard wrote: > Surprise : this time, it did AUTOMOUNT the way it used to in the old days ! So there are probably unstable readbility problems with the partition table. If you have the start address of partition 1 then you could try to circumvent the partition table by using a loop device a

Re: Strange warning during jessie to stretch upgrade

2017-12-03 Thread Brian
On Sun 03 Dec 2017 at 11:03:22 +, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Hi, > > W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (0 vs 4) > > Affected packages: pypy:armhf > > Google reveals some bug reports (850327 for Debian), but no resolution. > > Can anyone tell me what it means, an

Re: Need Help restoring a filesystem on an external drive WD 'My Book'

2017-12-03 Thread Bernard
Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, arne wrote: [stuff deleted] This is probably the normal superblock in that partition. But running e2fsck might cause the end of the remaining data in the filesystem. I'd try to mount the loop device and hope to recover some files. When this is queezed out, then may

Re: BIOS Can Not Find Disk

2017-12-03 Thread Felix Miata
Dan Norton composed on 2017-12-04 07:32 (UTC-0500): Note your posts are still coming from the future. Today ATM in zone -0500 it is still the 3rd of December. > Felix Miata wrote: >> I'm pretty sure that was not OP's intent, i.e., none of Grub at all in MBR. > Yes, no grub in mbr - unless inst

Re: BIOS Can Not Find Disk

2017-12-03 Thread Dan Norton
On 12/03/2017 06:49 AM, Felix Miata wrote: Pascal Hambourg composed on 2017-12-03 10:49 (UTC+0100): Felix Miata composed: ... So I guess that the OP means that the core image of GRUB is in sda1, and the boot image of GRUB is in the MBR of sda. Based on OP's response to https://lists.debi

Re: Back to the question [Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group]

2017-12-03 Thread rhkramer
On Sunday, December 03, 2017 10:42:12 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > > Any suggestions for a suitable mailing list or USENET group? Try "Eco-Conscious Computing" I'm not exactly clear about what they are working towards, but even if it doesn't meet your needs they may have suggestions for other l

Back to the question [Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group]

2017-12-03 Thread Richard Owlett
On 12/03/2017 09:19 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 12/03/2017 07:26 AM, The Wanderer wrote: Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw > Any suggestions for a suitable mailing list or USENET group. Who me? Having met Shaw's definition and functionalit

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Richard Owlett
On 12/03/2017 07:26 AM, The Wanderer wrote: Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw Who me?

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Richard Owlett
On 12/03/2017 07:02 AM, John Hasler wrote: Richard Owlett writes: 6. *NOT* be a "smartphone". At a first pass not be what FCC describes as an "intentional radiator". Not sure how much that applies to WiFi or Bluetooth, neither are of particular interest to me. Disabling the radio in a smar

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Richard Owlett
On 12/03/2017 07:35 AM, Tom Furie wrote: On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 06:57:30AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: On 12/02/2017 01:52 PM, John Hasler wrote: David Wright writes: what would be the principal use of this device, who would it be aimed at, and what would be the size of its market? I'd buy

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Richard Owlett
On 12/03/2017 04:14 AM, Ben Finney wrote: Richard Owlett writes: 6. *NOT* be a "smartphone". What specific features must the device omit, to meet this criterion? Presence of internal hardware capable of radiating in cell network spectrum (omitting SIM card insufficient). Is it suffici

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Richard Owlett
On 12/03/2017 04:07 AM, Curt wrote: On 2017-12-02, Richard Owlett wrote: This is part of my search for a LINUX PDA. [1] [2] Me me me me me me me. Ahhh Documented potential market has increased again. https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4biamr/a_list_of_handheldpocket_linux_computers/

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Tom Furie
On Sun, Dec 03, 2017 at 06:57:30AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 12/02/2017 01:52 PM, John Hasler wrote: > >David Wright writes: > >>what would be the principal use of this device, who would it be aimed > >>at, and what would be the size of its market? > > > >I'd buy one were it cheap enough (i

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Richard Owlett
On 12/02/2017 02:01 PM, Joe wrote: On Sat, 2 Dec 2017 13:17:14 -0600 Richard Owlett wrote: On 12/02/2017 12:02 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, December 02, 2017 12:17:39 PM Richard Owlett wrote: 6. *NOT* be a "smartphone". Well, I am curious about why you don't want it to be a s

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-12-03 at 07:57, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 12/02/2017 01:52 PM, John Hasler wrote: > >> David Wright writes: >>> what would be the principal use of this device, who would it be >>> aimed at, and what would be the size of its market? >> >> I'd buy one were it cheap enough (it wouldn't be

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Richard Owlett
On 12/02/2017 07:18 PM, John Hasler wrote: David Wright writes: what would be the principal use of this device, who would it be aimed at, and what would be the size of its market? I wrote: I'd buy one were it cheap enough (it wouldn't be). David Wright writes: Well, I just might¹. But I'm

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread John Hasler
Richard Owlett writes: > 6. *NOT* be a "smartphone". > At a first pass not be what FCC describes as an "intentional > radiator". Not sure how much that applies to WiFi or Bluetooth, > neither are of particular interest to me. Disabling the radio in a smartphone should be easy. -- John Hasler j

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Richard Owlett
On 12/02/2017 01:52 PM, John Hasler wrote: David Wright writes: what would be the principal use of this device, who would it be aimed at, and what would be the size of its market? I'd buy one were it cheap enough (it wouldn't be). I don't see why its price structure be more than a laptop or

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Richard Owlett
On 12/02/2017 01:37 PM, David Wright wrote: On Sat 02 Dec 2017 at 13:17:14 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote: On 12/02/2017 12:02 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, December 02, 2017 12:17:39 PM Richard Owlett wrote: 6. *NOT* be a "smartphone". Well, I am curious about why you don't want

Re: BIOS Can Not Find Disk

2017-12-03 Thread Felix Miata
Pascal Hambourg composed on 2017-12-03 10:49 (UTC+0100): > Felix Miata composed: ... > So I guess that the OP means that the core image of GRUB is in sda1, and > the boot image of GRUB is in the MBR of sda. Based on OP's response to https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/11/msg00563.html i

Strange warning during jessie to stretch upgrade

2017-12-03 Thread Tony van der Hoff
Hi, W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (0 vs 4) Affected packages: pypy:armhf Google reveals some bug reports (850327 for Debian), but no resolution. Can anyone tell me what it means, and can it be safely ignored?

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Ben Finney
Richard Owlett writes: > 6. *NOT* be a "smartphone". What specific features must the device omit, to meet this criterion? Is it sufficient that the device does not connect to a cellular telephone network? Or are there other features (which, specifically?) that must also be omitted? -- \

Re: [OT] Relavant mailing list or USENET group

2017-12-03 Thread Curt
On 2017-12-02, Richard Owlett wrote: > This is part of my search for a LINUX PDA. [1] [2] > Me me me me me me me. https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4biamr/a_list_of_handheldpocket_linux_computers/ Be a real hacker and make a NODE: https://n-o-d-e.net/terminal_2.html -- "Truly, truly, I

Re: BIOS Can Not Find Disk

2017-12-03 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 02/12/2017 à 05:07, Dan Norton a écrit : On 12/01/2017 08:54 PM, David Christensen wrote: > > # fdisk -t dos /dev/sda Your original post indicated a GPT partition table.  Forcing an MS-DOS MBR partition type means the tool will be looking at fake information that your GPT formatting tool

Re: BIOS Can Not Find Disk

2017-12-03 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 03/12/2017 à 00:09, Felix Miata a écrit : Michael Lange composed on 2017-12-02 22:33 (UTC+0100): On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 23:07:15 -0500 Dan Norton wrote: (...) What bootloader was installed -- LILO, GRUB, GRUB2, whatever? And, where? GRUB2 to sda1. I did not read this thread in detail,

Re: Re: Thunderbird no longer opens links

2017-12-03 Thread Vincas Dargis
On 2017-12-03 01:07, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: If I understood this correctly, aa-complain will only switch profile to "complain mode"(log, but don't block). This is effectively the same as disabling the profile, which is not a good solution. I believe "deny" rules still apply even on compl