Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
David Griffith writes: > I'm aware of that technique. What I was talking about is a menu > option that pops up when the install is running that explicitly asks > the person installing which init to use. But there are far more urgent questions that don't get asked at install time either: 1. Which

Re: RIGHT AND PROPER?

2017-07-05 Thread Fungi4All
From: j...@debian.org > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Anyway, since you are no longer a Debian user, you are unlikely to see > this message, as surely you have dutifully unsubscribed and will not be > posting here anymore, as is right and proper. Should we talk about this and leave systemd o

Re: Installing Debian on an android device

2017-07-05 Thread Fungi4All
> From: joel.r...@gmail.com > To: debian users > On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Fungi4All wrote: >> Although I despise such devices, my only experience has been >> helping a friend out locating certain settings and installing the proper >> software for specific uses. >> Lately, a problematic one

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 06 Jul 2017, David Griffith wrote: > I'm aware of that technique. What I was talking about is a menu option > that pops up when the install is running that explicitly asks the > person installing which init to use. We're not going to add such an option, because every additional question as

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/04/2017 09:33 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/03/2017 01:41 PM, Jim Ohlstein wrote: Is there a pure Debian alternative? Have a look at https://devuan.org/. A couple of hours ago this was Debian Wheezy with the kde-plasma-desktop. Now it's Devuan Jessie and kde-plasma-desktop and the

Re: Relative stability of Testing vs Unstable

2017-07-05 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
My experience, solely as a user, has been that sometimes the unstable distribution breaks and you're hosed. I can't remember when I was last burned by running testing.

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread David Griffith
On Wed, 5 Jul 2017, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 04 Jul 2017, David Griffith wrote: On July 3, 2017 1:44:30 PM PDT, Martin Read wrote: On 03/07/17 20:42, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: Is there a pure Debian alternative? There is an alternative init daemon, in the form of sysvinit (install the

Re: Relative stability of Testing vs Unstable

2017-07-05 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/05/2017 07:24 PM, John Hasler wrote: Jimmy Johnson writes: From what I read, very serious bugs are likely to be caught before making it to Testing, while Unstable benefits from getting security updates (in the form of new upstream releases) sooner, and is more likely to be consistent duri

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-07-05 at 12:44, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 12:11:27PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> I suspect that what the people who ask for this are thinking of is >> a step in the installer sequence at which you are prompted to >> choose which init system you want to be installe

Re: Relative stability of Testing vs Unstable

2017-07-05 Thread John Hasler
Jimmy Johnson writes: > From what I read, very serious bugs are likely to be caught before > making it to Testing, while Unstable benefits from getting security > updates (in the form of new upstream releases) sooner, and is more > likely to be consistent during transitions. Unstable is not requir

Re: Relative stability of Testing vs Unstable

2017-07-05 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/05/2017 05:17 PM, Jason Cohen wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I've been using Debian for a number of years, but my experience has typically been with servers where I have used the Stable branch for its reliability and security support. However, I recently began usin

Re: Relative stability of Testing vs Unstable

2017-07-05 Thread Bob Weber
On 7/5/17 8:17 PM, Jason Cohen wrote: > I've been using Debian for a number of years, but my experience has > typically been with servers where I have used the Stable branch for its > reliability and security support. However, I recently began using > Debian Stretch for my desktop and foresee a ne

Re: Stretch generates SLAAC IPv6 address even with /etc/network/interfaces set to manual static address

2017-07-05 Thread Eike Lantzsch
On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 22:14:22 -04 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Wed, 05 Jul 2017 14:09:24 -0400 > > Eike Lantzsch wrote: > > Hi to all! > > > > I'm trying to teach myself to work with IPv6. > > > > On a Stretch client I'd like to have manually set static IPv6 addresses. > > But what I ge

Re: Einstellungen in Kontact

2017-07-05 Thread Eike Lantzsch
On Wednesday, 5 July 2017 23:25:26 -04 Michael Lange wrote: > On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 21:42:20 +0100 > > Michael Fothergill wrote: > > ​Dear Sir, > > > > Please use a German mailing list. > > > > Regds > > > > MF > > > > ​ > > > > Zieht den Bayern die Lederhosen aus > > > > Voller Spannung und v

Relative stability of Testing vs Unstable

2017-07-05 Thread Jason Cohen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I've been using Debian for a number of years, but my experience has typically been with servers where I have used the Stable branch for its reliability and security support. However, I recently began using Debian Stretch for my desktop and foresee a

Re: Nvidia legacy driver install..

2017-07-05 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/05/2017 07:37 AM, tony mollica wrote: Thanks for all the input on this. I had originally planned to wait as long as possible to install the Nvidia stuff, but I think now that I'll give it a try when I get some time. No reports of breaking the system permanently and only a couple of rela

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/05/2017 08:27 AM, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 04 Jul 2017, David Griffith wrote: On July 3, 2017 1:44:30 PM PDT, Martin Read wrote: On 03/07/17 20:42, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: Is there a pure Debian alternative? There is an alternative init daemon, in the form of sysvinit (install

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 13:53:10 +0100 Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 03:11:05PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > >My thoughts exactly. I stopped using GNOME or any desktop > >environment 5+ years ago. Resource hogs.. A window manager, a > >single panel and a couple virtual termina

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 13:43:43 +0100 JPlews wrote: > > > > It would be nice to have an install-time option for selecting the > > desired init. > > > > Exactly what I think too, I have been wanting to start a thread about > 'Is multi-init at install dead?' but keep getting distracted because > i

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/05/2017 09:44 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 12:11:27PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: I suspect that what the people who ask for this are thinking of is a step in the installer sequence at which you are prompted to choose which init system you want to be installed, such that

Re: Nvidia legacy driver install..

2017-07-05 Thread tony mollica
Sorry, Jessie to Stretch. On 07/05/2017 07:37 AM, tony mollica wrote: Thanks for all the input on this. I had originally planned to wait as long as possible to install the Nvidia stuff, but I think now that I'll give it a try when I get some time. No reports of breaking the system permanently

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 13:57:20 +0100 Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 07:15:48PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > >I suggested that a few months ago. Thread lasted a couple weeks. > >Lots of Pro and Con with a few "Too Hard to Do" or "Impossible to > >Do." > > Also several posts of

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/05/2017 12:38 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/05/2017 05:56 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 09:33:16PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: A couple of hours ago this was Debian Wheezy with the kde-plasma-desktop. Now it's Devuan Jessie and kde-plasma-desktop and the only syste

Re: Driver/firmware for Realtek RTL8814U WiFi USB Adapter?

2017-07-05 Thread Jason Wittlin-Cohen
I have the Edimax EW-7822UAC (2x2 802.11ac) which uses the rtl8812AU chipset. I can confirm that the firmware-realtek package does not contain support for the rtl8812AU chipset, and presumably also does not support the RTL8814U chipset. Neither are listed on https://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x. In c

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/05/2017 02:23 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 01:56:44PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [...] Is it possible that Devuan is becoming more Debian and Debian is becoming less Debian? What do you say to that? Hypothetically spe

Re: Bash Question

2017-07-05 Thread Jonathan Marquardt
On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 10:31:02PM +, der.hans wrote: > Am 06. Jul, 2017 schwätzte Jonathan Marquardt so: > > > On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 09:53:15PM +, der.hans wrote: > > > When running the command, your current shell evaluates the variable and > > > replaces it with the variable's value be

Re: Bash Question

2017-07-05 Thread Phil Wyett
On Wed, 2017-07-05 at 23:12 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > Hi, >   > can anybody help to explain what is going on here ? >   >   > rd@mohot:~$ echo $SHELL  > /bin/bash  > rd@mohot:~$ if [ "abc" > "dec" ]; then echo bad; fi    > bad  > rd@mohot:~$ if [ "abc" < "dec" ]; then echo good; fi  > good 

Re: Bash Question

2017-07-05 Thread der.hans
Am 06. Jul, 2017 schwätzte Jonathan Marquardt so: On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 09:53:15PM +, der.hans wrote: When running the command, your current shell evaluates the variable and replaces it with the variable's value before starting the echo command. When echo is run the command has already tu

Re: Bash Question

2017-07-05 Thread Javier Barroso
Hi, On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 11:12 PM, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > Hi, > > > > can anybody help to explain what is going on here ? > > > > > > rd@mohot:~$ echo $SHELL > /bin/bash > rd@mohot:~$ if [ "abc" > "dec" ]; then echo bad; fi > bad > rd@mohot:~$ if [ "abc" < "dec" ]; then echo good; fi > good > r

Re: Bash Question

2017-07-05 Thread Jonathan Marquardt
On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 09:53:15PM +, der.hans wrote: > When running the command, your current shell evaluates the variable and > replaces it with the variable's value before starting the echo command. > When echo is run the command has already turned into "echo /bin/bash" or > whatever your sh

Re: Bash Question

2017-07-05 Thread der.hans
Am 05. Jul, 2017 schwätzte Rainer Dorsch so: moin moin Rainer, can anybody help to explain what is going on here ? rd@mohot:~$ echo $SHELL Not sure what level you're asking about, so I will cover a couple levels of information. Read the ones that are appropriate :). echo is a a command tha

Re: Bash Question

2017-07-05 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2017-07-05 23:12 +0200, Rainer Dorsch wrote: > Hi, > > can anybody help to explain what is going on here ? > > > rd@mohot:~$ echo $SHELL Without any information how you started your shell, it's hard to tell. For example, xterm version 321 had the bug that it would clear the SHELL variable fro

nosh version 1.34

2017-07-05 Thread Jonathan de Boyne Pollard
The nosh package is now up to version 1.34 . * http://jdebp.eu./Softwares/nosh/ * https://www.freebsd.org/news/status/report-2015-07-2015-09.html#The-nosh-Project * http://jdebp.info./Softwares/nosh/ Once again, there are a few more service bundles. The most interesting ones in this version are

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread chris
systemd: Make Linux Great Again! (c) On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 4:56 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/05/2017 07:18 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 09:48:07AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 01:56:

Re: Einstellungen in Kontact

2017-07-05 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Michael Fothergill quoted: > Zieht den Bayern die Lederhosen aus That's the traditional and well justified defamation of german soccer club FC Bayern Muenchen. We shall not forget to mention the profound analysis by Die Toten Hosen: What parents does one need to have to be so rotten t

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Rory Campbell-Lange
On 03/07/17, Greg Wooledge (wool...@eeg.ccf.org) wrote: > On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 08:42:11PM +0100, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > > Simply put; systemd doesn't suit me. Its a bit like being asked to use > > an graphical editor instead of vi. Or being forced to use Windows. My > > laptop doesn't feel

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 01:56:44PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [...] > Is it possible that Devuan is becoming more Debian and Debian is > becoming less Debian? What do you say to that? Hypothetically > speaking of course. :) Don't think so, no. > J

Bash Question

2017-07-05 Thread Rainer Dorsch
Hi, can anybody help to explain what is going on here ? rd@mohot:~$ echo $SHELL Thanks Rainer -- Rainer Dorsch http://bokomoko.de/

Re: Einstellungen in Kontact

2017-07-05 Thread Michael Lange
On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 21:42:20 +0100 Michael Fothergill wrote: > ​Dear Sir, > > Please use a German mailing list. > > Regds > > MF > > ​ > > Zieht den Bayern die Lederhosen aus > > Voller Spannung und voller Spass, > leg ich mich ins grüne Gras. > Es ist Samstag und wir können feiern, > heute

Re: Driver/firmware for Realtek RTL8814U WiFi USB Adapter?

2017-07-05 Thread Michael Lange
On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 20:14:20 +0100 Brian wrote: > On Wed 05 Jul 2017 at 20:55:43 +0200, Ulf Volmer wrote: > > > On 05.07.2017 20:41, Larry Dighera wrote: > > > > > Which Debian Stretch package provides firmware for the Realtek > > > RTL8814U chip? In particular, the Comfast CF-917AC 1750Mbps US

Re: Collisions in KVM guests [SOLVED]

2017-07-05 Thread Lucio Crusca
Il 05/07/2017 21:13, I wrote: collisions count on their virtualized network interface (rtl8139 driver) I've tried to switch to virtio and everything is now working properly, no more collisions and good transfer rate.

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 07/05/2017 07:18 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 09:48:07AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 01:56:02PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: Anyway, since you are no longer a Debian user, you are unlikely to see thi

Re: Einstellungen in Kontact

2017-07-05 Thread Michael Fothergill
​Dear Sir, Please use a German mailing list. Regds MF ​ Zieht den Bayern die Lederhosen aus Voller Spannung und voller Spass, leg ich mich ins grüne Gras. Es ist Samstag und wir können feiern, heute kommt der FC Bayern. Alle sind hier guter Dinge, und überall hört man sie singen: Zieht den B

Re: Migrationsassistent von Kwallett

2017-07-05 Thread Jonathan Marquardt
On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 10:30:00PM +0200, Matthias Müller wrote: > Hallo > > ich habe am Montag von Jessie auf Stretch aktualisiert. > Bei jeder Anmeldung am System startet dieser bescheuerte Migrationsassistent. > Wie kann man den dauerhaft ruhig stellen. Es ist ja ganz schön, das er was > migr

Einstellungen in Kontact

2017-07-05 Thread Matthias Müller
Hallo ich habe am Montag von Jessie auf Stretch aktualisiert. Kontact läuft soweit bis jetzt stabil. Übernahme der alten Mails hat auch sauber funktioniert. Meinen IMAP-Zugang fürs Versenden musste ich allerdings neu machen. Was da jetzt an den Einstellungen anders ist verstehe ich nicht. Aber d

Migrationsassistent von Kwallett

2017-07-05 Thread Matthias Müller
Hallo ich habe am Montag von Jessie auf Stretch aktualisiert. Bei jeder Anmeldung am System startet dieser bescheuerte Migrationsassistent. Wie kann man den dauerhaft ruhig stellen. Es ist ja ganz schön, das er was migrieren will, aber was? Und warum jedes mal wieder? System: Debian GNU/Linux

Hintergrund beim Anmeldebildschirm

2017-07-05 Thread Matthias Müller
Hallo ich habe am Montag von Jessie auf Stretch aktualisiert. Dabei habe ich kdm als Anmeldemanager beibehalten. Der Hintergrund ist jetzt eine intensiv blaue (Augenschmerzen fördernde) Fläche. Wie kann ich hier ein Bild hinbekommen.? System: Debian GNU/Linux 9.0 (stretch) Ich blick hier nicht

Fwd: Se solo sapessi quanto sono stanca della solitudine Vanessa

2017-07-05 Thread Roberto Capobianchi
-- Messaggio inoltrato -- Da: Vanessa Mugigo Date: 5 luglio 2017 11:51 Oggetto: Se solo sapessi quanto sono stanca della solitudine Vanessa A: debian-user@lists.debian.org Vuoi essere la mia stella polare stasera? http://bit.ly/2sLoijB non desidero ricevere più vostre e-mail!

Re: unsuscribe me pleace

2017-07-05 Thread Norbert Kiszka
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Re: Stretch generates SLAAC IPv6 address even with /etc/network/interfaces set to manual static address

2017-07-05 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, 05 Jul 2017 14:09:24 -0400 Eike Lantzsch wrote: > Hi to all! > > I'm trying to teach myself to work with IPv6. > > On a Stretch client I'd like to have manually set static IPv6 addresses. > But what I get are SLAAC addresses with $prefix + MAC-derived according to > the >

Re: Driver/firmware for Realtek RTL8814U WiFi USB Adapter?

2017-07-05 Thread Brian
On Wed 05 Jul 2017 at 20:55:43 +0200, Ulf Volmer wrote: > On 05.07.2017 20:41, Larry Dighera wrote: > > > Which Debian Stretch package provides firmware for the Realtek > > RTL8814U chip? In particular, the Comfast CF-917AC 1750Mbps USB3 > > adapter: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B75MHR0 . > >

Collisions in KVM guests

2017-07-05 Thread Lucio Crusca
I have some qemu-kvm guests and a host system. Some of them are Debian GNU/Linux 9, other are Debian GNU/Linux 8. All of them are amd64. The host holds the only public IP address and it's a Debian 9 system. The guests are behind NAT of the KVM network. One of the guests act as a router and app

Re: Tu voudrais bien m’aider à devenir plus bavarde avec toi? Lena

2017-07-05 Thread Fernand Berger
je t etoute quelle age a tu Le Mercredi 5 juillet 2017 17h09, Lena Morigere a écrit : Je sens qu’on pourra trouver une langue commune sur plusieurs sujets. http://bit.ly/2tgMRs5

Re: Stretch generates SLAAC IPv6 address even with /etc/network/interfaces set to manual static address

2017-07-05 Thread Christian Seiler
On 07/05/2017 08:09 PM, Eike Lantzsch wrote: > On a Stretch client I'd like to have manually set static IPv6 addresses. > But what I get are SLAAC addresses with $prefix + MAC-derived according to > the > IEEE-Tutorial EUI-64 . First of all: you can turn off the automatic addresses by configurin

Re: Driver/firmware for Realtek RTL8814U WiFi USB Adapter?

2017-07-05 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 05.07.2017 20:41, Larry Dighera wrote: > Which Debian Stretch package provides firmware for the Realtek > RTL8814U chip? In particular, the Comfast CF-917AC 1750Mbps USB3 > adapter: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B75MHR0 . Have you firmware-realtek installed? It is available in the non-free r

Re: Stretch generates SLAAC IPv6 address even with /etc/network/interfaces set to manual static address

2017-07-05 Thread Ulf Volmer
On 05.07.2017 20:09, Eike Lantzsch wrote: > Hi to all! > > I'm trying to teach myself to work with IPv6. > > On a Stretch client I'd like to have manually set static IPv6 addresses. > But what I get are SLAAC addresses with $prefix + MAC-derived according to > the > IEEE-Tutorial EUI-64 . Try

Driver/firmware for Realtek RTL8814U WiFi USB Adapter?

2017-07-05 Thread Larry Dighera
Which Debian Stretch package provides firmware for the Realtek RTL8814U chip? In particular, the Comfast CF-917AC 1750Mbps USB3 adapter: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B75MHR0 . Kali Linux supports the RTL8814 natively: https://www.kali.org/news/kali-linux-20171-release/ . Further, there are som

Stretch generates SLAAC IPv6 address even with /etc/network/interfaces set to manual static address

2017-07-05 Thread Eike Lantzsch
Hi to all! I'm trying to teach myself to work with IPv6. On a Stretch client I'd like to have manually set static IPv6 addresses. But what I get are SLAAC addresses with $prefix + MAC-derived according to the IEEE-Tutorial EUI-64 . I can cope with a SLAAC address AND an additional manual static

Tu veut que je te morde le clitos

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Envoyé de mon mobile Sosh

Dare to be stupid

2017-07-05 Thread Anonymous
You can be a coffee achiever You can sit around the house and watch Leave It To Beaver The future's up to you So what you gonna do Dare to be stupid Dare to be stupid What did I say Dare to be stupid Tell me, what did I say Dare to be stupid It's alright Dare to be stupid We can be stupid all nigh

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 12:11:27PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > I suspect that what the people who ask for this are thinking of is a > step in the installer sequence at which you are prompted to choose which > init system you want to be installed, such that the installer will never > even attempt t

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-07-05 at 11:27, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 04 Jul 2017, David Griffith wrote: >> It would be nice to have an install-time option for selecting the desired >> init. > > It already exists: > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/04/msg00097.html > > « > You can just append: >

Re: Switching from Debian i386 to AMD64

2017-07-05 Thread David Wright
On Wed 05 Jul 2017 at 11:34:20 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 05 July 2017 07:58:26 Matthew Crews wrote: > > > >Now that I know that I'm 64 bit capable. Would I see any benefit in > > >switching? > > > > I would switch to AMD64 if you are comfortable with reinstalling > > Debian. You

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unsuscribe me pleace

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Re: N’hésites pas de commencer une conversation avec moi Eloise

2017-07-05 Thread M.aziz Kibora
hum ok merci Le Mardi 4 juillet 2017 13h15, Eloise Missouak a écrit : Je ne mords pas tu sais. Bon, sauf si t le demande… http://bitly.com/2sHK0oO

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 04 Jul 2017, David Griffith wrote: > On July 3, 2017 1:44:30 PM PDT, Martin Read wrote: > >On 03/07/17 20:42, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: > >> Is there a pure Debian alternative? > > > >There is an alternative init daemon, in the form of sysvinit (install > >the package "sysvinit-core" to

Re: Switching from Debian i386 to AMD64

2017-07-05 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 05 July 2017 07:58:26 Matthew Crews wrote: > >Now that I know that I'm 64 bit capable. Would I see any benefit in > >switching? > > I would switch to AMD64 if you are comfortable with reinstalling > Debian. You will see a performance increase, even on a minimally > spec'd system. (I'm

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Arrêtez de me chercher

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Envoyé depuis mon smartphone Samsung Galaxy.

Re: Se solo sapessi quanto sono stanca della solitudine Martina

2017-07-05 Thread mario iefro
voglio condividere Il giorno 5 luglio 2017 11:42, Martina Algatt ha scritto: > Vuoi essere la mia stella polare stasera? > http://bit.ly/2sLz8pS >

Re: Nvidia legacy driver install..

2017-07-05 Thread tony mollica
Thanks for all the input on this. I had originally planned to wait as long as possible to install the Nvidia stuff, but I think now that I'll give it a try when I get some time. No reports of breaking the system permanently and only a couple of relatively minor issues. There seems to be a

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 09:48:07AM -0400, Carl Fink wrote: > On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 01:56:02PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > Anyway, since you are no longer a Debian user, you are unlikely to see > > this message, as surely you have dutifully

Re: Laser Printer recommendation...

2017-07-05 Thread Brian
On Tue 04 Jul 2017 at 09:05:21 -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:03:45 +0100 > Brian wrote: > > > On Mon 03 Jul 2017 at 19:15:19 -0400, Celejar wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 3 Jul 2017 14:46:08 -0400 > > > Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > A Brother with all of: > > > >

Re: [Stretch] apt-get has no updates?

2017-07-05 Thread David Wright
On Wed 05 Jul 2017 at 08:09:58 (-0400), RavenLX wrote: > On 07/01/2017 12:39 PM, David Wright wrote: > >On Fri 30 Jun 2017 at 22:46:35 (+0200), Dejan Jocic wrote: > >>On 30-06-17, David Wright wrote: > >>> > >>>I'm not sure what this is all about; unattended-upgrades appears > >>>to have been maint

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Carl Fink
On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 01:56:02PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > Anyway, since you are no longer a Debian user, you are unlikely to see > this message, as surely you have dutifully unsubscribed and will not be > posting here anymore, as is right and proper. It's perfectly possible to use both

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 07:15:48PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: I suggested that a few months ago. Thread lasted a couple weeks. Lots of Pro and Con with a few "Too Hard to Do" or "Impossible to Do." Also several posts of "this is already possible via /this/ method..." which seems to have bee

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 09:33:16PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: A couple of hours ago this was Debian Wheezy with the kde-plasma-desktop. Now it's Devuan Jessie and kde-plasma-desktop and the only systemd is "libsystemd0" and it seems to be required for kde. This is a very smart system and an

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 03:11:05PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: My thoughts exactly. I stopped using GNOME or any desktop environment 5+ years ago. Resource hogs.. A window manager, a single panel and a couple virtual terminals are more than sufficient. What's good enough for you is not nece

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread JPlews
It would be nice to have an install-time option for selecting the desired init. Exactly what I think too, I have been wanting to start a thread about 'Is multi-init at install dead?' but keep getting distracted because it's actually very interesting in terms of social sciences too.

RE : Comme le dit le vieux dicton, l'oiseau humble cherche une graine Emeline

2017-07-05 Thread mettaoui abdeslem
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Re: [Stretch] apt-get has no updates?

2017-07-05 Thread Dejan Jocic
On 05-07-17, RavenLX wrote: > On 06/30/2017 12:34 PM, Dejan Jocic wrote: > > On 30-06-17, RavenLX wrote: > > > > > > > If you have unattended-upgrades package installed and it is configured > > > > to fetch and install security updates only ( which is default ), that is > > > > place to look for u

Re: [Stretch] apt-get has no updates?

2017-07-05 Thread RavenLX
On 07/02/2017 10:32 AM, Dejan Jocic wrote: On 02-07-17, RavenLX wrote: On 07/01/2017 03:54 PM, Larry Dighera wrote: On Fri, 30 Jun 2017 16:31:37 -0400, you wrote: Someone else mentioned unattended upgrades, which is a thing I have never used, and which is also a thing I would disable if I eve

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread SDA
On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 07:33:25PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Jimmy Johnson writes: > > Funny, that sounds like something a Slack'er would say. Patrick, we > > are not all keyboard wizards like you and that other Patrick who can > > keyboard faster than I can read. That's a compliment on your abil

Re: [Stretch] apt-get has no updates?

2017-07-05 Thread RavenLX
On 07/01/2017 12:39 PM, David Wright wrote: On Fri 30 Jun 2017 at 22:46:35 (+0200), Dejan Jocic wrote: On 30-06-17, David Wright wrote: I'm not sure what this is all about; unattended-upgrades appears to have been maintained by the same person since the days of etch, a decade ago. What constit

Re: [Stretch] apt-get has no updates?

2017-07-05 Thread RavenLX
On 06/30/2017 08:54 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 06/30/2017 06:56 AM, RavenLX wrote: I think I might have a problem. I do the sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and ever since I have installed Debian 9 (after the official release) I have not seen any updates. Yet in Ubuntu 14.

Re: [Stretch] apt-get has no updates?

2017-07-05 Thread RavenLX
On 06/30/2017 12:34 PM, Dejan Jocic wrote: On 30-06-17, RavenLX wrote: If you have unattended-upgrades package installed and it is configured to fetch and install security updates only ( which is default ), that is place to look for upgraded packages. You can also configure unattended-upgrades

RE: Switching from Debian i386 to AMD64

2017-07-05 Thread Matthew Crews
>Now that I know that I'm 64 bit capable. Would I see any benefit in >switching? I would switch to AMD64 if you are comfortable with reinstalling Debian. You will see a performance increase, even on a minimally spec'd system. (I'm not sure its possible to convert a live install from 32-bit to 64-b

Re: Switching from Debian i386 to AMD64

2017-07-05 Thread Felix Miata
Richard Owlett composed on 2017-07-05 06:26 (UTC-0500): > Now that I know that I'm 64 bit capable. Would I see any benefit in > switching? > [I don't have any interest in grapic intensive apps. I don't do anything > that my old WinXP machine didn't handle OK.] Is more than 3G RAM is installed?

Re: Switching from Debian i386 to AMD64

2017-07-05 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/04/2017 02:10 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2017-07-04 20:19 +0200, Dejan Jocic wrote: On 04-07-17, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2017-07-04 17:33 +0200, Dejan Jocic wrote: Several. To see your cpu, type lscpu. Architecture is first in output. That's not correct, or at least not useful. The a

Re: Switching from Debian i386 to AMD64

2017-07-05 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/04/2017 01:20 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Curt composed on 2017-07-04 17:53 (UTC): Richard Owlett wrote: Thank you. I've i686 processors on both machines within reach [as I suspected] I'll have to spend some time on man page for inxi to fully appreciate it. But i686 is 32 bit isn't it?

Re: Se solo sapessi quanto sono stanca della solitudine Valentina

2017-07-05 Thread warum nicht
non come fate voi con ogni wolta registrationre 2017-07-05 11:42 GMT+02:00 Valentina Dntliku : > Vuoi essere la mia stella polare stasera? > http://bit.ly/2sLahme >

Re: N’hésites pas de commencer une conversation avec moi Marie

2017-07-05 Thread thierry boche
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Not sure where to report a bug / feature request relating to /var/run/reboot-required.pkgs

2017-07-05 Thread sam penny
Dear debian-users, I would like to report a wishlist bug (slash feature request) relating to how reboot-required.pkgs is used, but I'm not sure if there's even a single package that it applies to. Perhaps this is a debian policy thing, but I can't find any mention of reboot-required in https:/

desabonnement

2017-07-05 Thread Claire Andina
Le 05/07/2017 à 10:46, Celine Freshoffdaeast a écrit : Voudrais-tu être mon étoile polaire ce soir? http://bit.ly/2sLcRsb --- L'absence de virus dans ce courrier électronique a été vérifiée par le logiciel antivirus Avast. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Re: ALs je weet hoe moe ik ben van alleen zijn Alexandra

2017-07-05 Thread Geert Lammens
Gelieve geen mails meer te sturen !!! > Op 5 jul. 2017 om 10:36 heeft Alexandra Mondago het > volgende geschreven: > > Wil je mijn ster zijn vanavond? > http://bit.ly/2sLdtOv

Re: ALs je weet hoe moe ik ben van alleen zijn Pauline

2017-07-05 Thread koen.willems8
Ik wordt moe van u mails Verzonden vanaf mijn Samsung Galaxy-smartphone. Oorspronkelijk bericht Van: Pauline Rehanie Datum: 5/07/17 10:32 (GMT+01:00) Aan: debian-user@lists.debian.org Onderwerp: ALs je weet hoe moe ik ben van alleen zijn Pauline Wil je mijn ster zijn

Re: Problems with apt in a clean stretch install.

2017-07-05 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, I'm glad you could finally fix the issue. On Wed, 5 Jul 2017 12:15:33 +0930 "Wayne Hartell" wrote: > I know I just wrote a long e-mail on this, but I think I just figured > out in my own mind exactly what is going on and wanted to document it. > > > > As others have said the /etc/apt/tr

Re: Problems with apt in a clean stretch install.

2017-07-05 Thread Dejan Jocic
On 05-07-17, Wayne Hartell wrote: > > Fungi4All wrote: > > And this for the OP: > > 1  But if there is such a basic problem with installation what is > > so different that the rest of the new stretch installers did not > > face? > > > > That's a good question. I'm not 100% sure what the problem w

Re: Replace systemd

2017-07-05 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jul 05, 2017 at 02:38:23AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote: > On Tue, Jul 04, 2017 at 07:08:03PM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > Why not try a window manager and a panel? > > I'm so far behind the times[1]... What's a "panel" in this context? Th

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