Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 03:26:36PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] > Whenever I come across a command that *SHOULD* work, but does not, > the first diagnostic step is attempt to run the *IDENTICAL* command > as root. Now you know better: you were

Re: Jessie Hangs Every Other Boot

2017-04-26 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 27/04/17 05:44, Don Armstrong wrote: Your newish hardware may require a backported kernel to function reliably. This. Any recent Dell machine will likely have a Skylake or Kaby Lake CPU and a bad time on the stock jessie kernel, especially if using the iGPU. Please install a 4.9.18 kernel

How to Run a Command on Screensaver Activation, Only After User Interaction that Session?

2017-04-26 Thread Kent West
I'm trying to work on a home-grown kiosk using Jessie. I've got 90% of it done, but I need it to logout after a certain time of inactivity, but only after the computer has been used at least once since the last start of X (otherwise it'll just be in a slow loop of restarting X). In other words, s

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/26/2017 10:02 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 26 April 2017 15:36:36 Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/26/2017 07:50 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 08:35:44AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 01:25:18PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: For interface statistics

Re: Jessie Hangs Every Other Boot

2017-04-26 Thread Felix Miata
Kent West composed on 2017-04-26 13:35 (UTC-0500): > Don Armstrong wrote: >> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017, Kent West wrote: >> > Two identical newish Dell desktops. Configured for non-legacy, UEFI-only >> > booting. No Secure-Boot or Fast Boot. >> > Every other boot results in a hang at "Initializing Ra

Re: Jessie Hangs Every Other Boot

2017-04-26 Thread Kent West
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Wed, 26 Apr 2017, Kent West wrote: > > Two identical newish Dell desktops. Configured for non-legacy, UEFI-only > > booting. No Secure-Boot or Fast Boot. > > [...] > > > Every other boot results in a hang at "Initializing Ramdisk" > > Th

Re: Jessie Hangs Every Other Boot

2017-04-26 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 26 Apr 2017, Kent West wrote: > Two identical newish Dell desktops. Configured for non-legacy, UEFI-only > booting. No Secure-Boot or Fast Boot. [...] > Every other boot results in a hang at "Initializing Ramdisk" This usually is indicative of a video driver (or some other driver) issue.

Re: Mouse pointer _sometimes_ too big

2017-04-26 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 4/25/17, Ric Moore wrote: > On 04/24/2017 11:19 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > >> Mine will occasionally do something like this. In my case, it gives >> the appearance it's switching back and forth between entire cursor >> themes. Is there a chance that's actually what's going on here rather >>

Re: Jessie Hangs Every Other Boot

2017-04-26 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 4/26/17, Kent West wrote: > Two identical newish Dell desktops. Configured for non-legacy, UEFI-only > booting. No Secure-Boot or Fast Boot. > > Both fresh minimal installs of Jessie. > > Every other boot results in a hang at "Initializing Ramdisk" just after > grub, requiring holding the power

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread Curt
On 2017-04-26, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:25:10AM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: >> On 04/26/2017 10:17 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> >On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:07:01AM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: >> >>"ifconfig" has to be run as root. > >> >This is not correct, if you are just using it

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote on 04/26/17 16:46: > On Qua, 26 Abr 2017, Richard Owlett wrote: >> I would go further saying iproute2 is non-functional due to being >> functionally >> un-documented. >> >> https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/iproute2/ip.8.en.html is useless. >> >> Functional commands, fo

Jessie Hangs Every Other Boot

2017-04-26 Thread Kent West
Two identical newish Dell desktops. Configured for non-legacy, UEFI-only booting. No Secure-Boot or Fast Boot. Both fresh minimal installs of Jessie. Every other boot results in a hang at "Initializing Ramdisk" just after grub, requiring holding the power button for 8 seconds to power off. Then p

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
On Qua, 26 Abr 2017, Richard Owlett wrote: I would go further saying iproute2 is non-functional due to being functionally un-documented. https://manpages.debian.org/jessie/iproute2/ip.8.en.html is useless. Functional commands, for this thread's topic would be ip -s link or ip -s link ls u

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 26 April 2017 15:36:36 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/26/2017 07:50 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 08:35:44AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 01:25:18PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > >>> For interface statistics from ip, try "ip -s link [inte

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/26/2017 07:50 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 08:35:44AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 01:25:18PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: For interface statistics from ip, try "ip -s link [interface]". On stretch: wooledg:~$ ip -s link eth0 Command "eth0" is un

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:25:10AM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > On 04/26/2017 10:17 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:07:01AM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > >>"ifconfig" has to be run as root. > >This is not correct, if you are just using it to view an interface rather > >than to chan

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:07:01AM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > On 04/26/2017 08:36 AM, Brian wrote: > >On Wed 26 Apr 2017 at 07:17:11 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > >>On 04/25/2017 08:17 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >>>On 04/24/2017 04:12 PM, Ben Cara

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread Ric Moore
On 04/26/2017 10:17 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:07:01AM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: "ifconfig" has to be run as root. ric@iam:~$ sudo ifconfig [sudo] password for ric: enp8s0: flags=4163 mtu 1500 This is not correct, if you are just using it to view an interface rather tha

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 10:07:01AM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > "ifconfig" has to be run as root. > ric@iam:~$ sudo ifconfig > [sudo] password for ric: > enp8s0: flags=4163 mtu 1500 This is not correct, if you are just using it to view an interface rather than to change the interface. ifconfig live

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread Ric Moore
On 04/26/2017 08:36 AM, Brian wrote: On Wed 26 Apr 2017 at 07:17:11 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/25/2017 08:17 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/24/2017 04:12 PM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: On 24/04/17 22:58, Richard Owlett wrote: If there were user accessible registers with a running tot

Re: Old, stale bug reports (bug triage)

2017-04-26 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 4/26/17, Ben Finney wrote: > Felix Dietrich writes: > >> What is the etiquette dealing with seemingly forgotten bug reports? > > You should start with a message to the bug report email address. That > will reach both the current owner of the report, and the package > maintainer address. > >> [

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 01:50:15PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 08:35:44AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 01:25:18PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > >>For interface statistics from ip, try "ip -s link [inter

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 08:35:44AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 01:25:18PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: For interface statistics from ip, try "ip -s link [interface]". On stretch: wooledg:~$ ip -s link eth0 Command "eth0" is unknown, try "ip link help". wooledg:~$ ip -s

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread Brian
On Wed 26 Apr 2017 at 07:17:11 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/25/2017 08:17 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: > >On 04/24/2017 04:12 PM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: > >>On 24/04/17 22:58, Richard Owlett wrote: > >>>If there were user accessible registers with a running total of > >>>uploaded/downloade

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 01:25:18PM +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > For interface statistics from ip, try "ip -s link [interface]". On stretch: wooledg:~$ ip -s link eth0 Command "eth0" is unknown, try "ip link help". wooledg:~$ ip -s link dev eth0 Command "dev" is unknown, try "ip link help". wool

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread Jochen Spieker
Richard Owlett: > > I did an install using expert mode, not selecting any GUI. > At several points during the install I did Alt-F2 to bring up a terminal to > attempt running ifconfig. > > "Command not found" was the uniform response. > I booted the new install and attempted as root to run ifconf

Re: BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 07:17:11AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/25/2017 08:17 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/24/2017 04:12 PM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: On 24/04/17 22:58, Richard Owlett wrote: If there were user accessible registers with a running total of uploaded/downloaded data sinc

BUG or OPERATOR error? - was [Re: Measuring aggregate internet useage?]

2017-04-26 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/25/2017 08:17 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/24/2017 04:12 PM, Ben Caradoc-Davies wrote: On 24/04/17 22:58, Richard Owlett wrote: If there were user accessible registers with a running total of uploaded/downloaded data since device power on would be almost ideal granularity. Is ifconfi

Re: No mail after reboot

2017-04-26 Thread Henning
> On Apr 26, 2017, at 3:39 AM, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > > Hi, > Running Jessie, postfix/courier on my VPS. I don't often need to restart, > which is just as well, as after a reboot, I'm unable to access mail over IMAP. > > It turns out, that if I run service courier-imap-ssl restart and/or

No mail after reboot

2017-04-26 Thread Tony van der Hoff
Hi, Running Jessie, postfix/courier on my VPS. I don't often need to restart, which is just as well, as after a reboot, I'm unable to access mail over IMAP. It turns out, that if I run service courier-imap-ssl restart and/or service courier-imap restart, mail functionality is restored. Does

Re: Old, stale bug reports (bug triage)

2017-04-26 Thread Ben Finney
Felix Dietrich writes: > What is the etiquette dealing with seemingly forgotten bug reports? You should start with a message to the bug report email address. That will reach both the current owner of the report, and the package maintainer address. > […] to have another look at the report and de