Re: system drive encryption question

2017-04-15 Thread FHDATA
On Wed, 5 Apr 2017, FHDATA wrote: hello, I am not currently using debian as linux OS but considering it ... If I clean install debian (latest of course) and during the install process have its / (system drive) encrypted with pass-phrase then later on, can I add a key, residing on a us

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Brian
On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 16:30:29 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 19:57:32 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 13:08:30 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > On 04/15/2017 12:24 PM, Brian wrote: > > > > > > > >Did you overlook this question? You have said your machine

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 15/04/2017 à 22:50, David Wright a écrit : On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 19:14:24 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 15/04/2017 à 16:28, David Wright a écrit : On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:05:12 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: A SD card reader such as the one the OP has just exposes the SD card as wha

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread David Wright
On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 19:57:32 (+0100), Brian wrote: > On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 13:08:30 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > On 04/15/2017 12:24 PM, Brian wrote: > > > > > >Did you overlook this question? You have said your machine does not > > >offer booting from an SD card. Your answer will be inter

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread David Wright
On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 13:16:54 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/15/2017 12:14 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > >Le 15/04/2017 à 16:28, David Wright a écrit : > >>On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:05:12 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: > >> > >>>A SD card reader such as the one the OP has just exposes the S

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread David Wright
On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 19:14:24 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 15/04/2017 à 16:28, David Wright a écrit : > >On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:05:12 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: > > > >>A SD card reader such as the one the OP has just exposes the SD card > >>as what it is, a SD/MMC card (/dev/mmcblk

Re: customized Grub

2017-04-15 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/15/2017 02:16 PM, Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 14:55:04 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: [snip] Do you have a clue what this thread is about? Or did you just fancy that a Legacy GRUB driveby posting would perk things up for everyone? Careful ;) By my measurements you post 3 times for eve

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 15/04/2017 à 21:24, Doug a écrit : It turns out that there are two kinds of cards that look the same, but on a Dell laptop I have, one kind won't be recognized and the other works. I don't remember which is which, or what they are called. One is SD, the other something else. MMC, SDHC, SDXC

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Brian
On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 21:04:34 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 15/04/2017 à 19:42, Brian a écrit : > >On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 19:20:58 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > >> > >>Expert install gives more control, but is far from granting total control. > >>The Debian installer still has many automate

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Doug
On 04/15/2017 10:28 AM, David Wright wrote: On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:05:12 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 15/04/2017 à 02:37, David Wright a écrit : Of course, an SD card can be made to look like a USB stick just by sticking it in a card reader. I guess you mean "in a USB-to-SD card adapt

Re: customized Grub (was: Possibly erroneous "device not present...)

2017-04-15 Thread Brian
On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 14:55:04 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > Richard Owlett composed on 2017-04-15 11:35 (UTC-0500): > ... > >I also discovered there that placing a customized grub in its own > >partition is not only possible, but recommended in some situations. > I had > >read somewhere that that

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 15/04/2017 à 19:42, Brian a écrit : On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 19:20:58 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Expert install gives more control, but is far from granting total control. The Debian installer still has many automated actions that you cannot control even in expert mode. I had a feeling whi

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Brian
On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 13:08:30 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/15/2017 12:24 PM, Brian wrote: > > > >Did you overlook this question? You have said your machine does not > >offer booting from an SD card. Your answer will be interesting. > > Thought I'd answered it elsewhere. Nope. There has

Re: customized Grub (was: Possibly erroneous "device not present...)

2017-04-15 Thread Felix Miata
Richard Owlett composed on 2017-04-15 11:35 (UTC-0500): ... I also discovered there that placing a customized grub in its own partition is not only possible, but recommended in some situations. > I had read somewhere that that option had expired with grub-legacy. That, although taking much time

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread songbird
Richard Owlett wrote: ... > I don't know how many times I've *MIS*read that last sentence ;< > Mentally I was correcting non-existent typos, thus totally garbling it. > I just spent several hours wandering thru grub files and loosely related > documentation. > I've ended up at > www.gnu.org/softwa

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/15/2017 12:14 PM, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Le 15/04/2017 à 16:28, David Wright a écrit : On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:05:12 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: A SD card reader such as the one the OP has just exposes the SD card as what it is, a SD/MMC card (/dev/mmcblk*). I assumed that the OP,

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/15/2017 12:24 PM, Brian wrote: On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:52:09 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/15/2017 05:24 AM, Brian wrote: Now for a big "but". :) Your previous 'Debian GNU/Linux (8.6) (on /dev/mmcblk0p1)' stanza had linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-686-pae root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 This

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Brian
On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:35:14 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/14/2017 01:19 PM, Brian wrote: > >[snip] > > > >> 2. I only install Grub the *first* time I do a Debian install. > >>By poor design Grub puts the current install first on menu. > >>When experimenting with configuration as

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Brian
On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 19:20:58 +0200, Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 15/04/2017 à 12:44, Brian a écrit : > > > >simple install=some control of d-i. > >expert install=total control of d-i. > > Expert install gives more control, but is far from granting total control. > The Debian installer still has

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 15/04/2017 à 15:55, songbird a écrit : maybe grub needs something provided by the modules: usbms, ehci, uhci or ohci? Be careful if you're going to use driver modules (USB, PATA, AHCI...) to get direct access to a device. It disables access to *all* devices through the BIOS, including

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Brian
On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:52:09 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/15/2017 05:24 AM, Brian wrote: > > > >Now for a big "but". :) > > > >Your previous 'Debian GNU/Linux (8.6) (on /dev/mmcblk0p1)' stanza had > > > > linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-686-pae root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 > > > >This one has > > >

Re: In Stretch, gcc producing position independent binaries by default?

2017-04-15 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 14:39:49 + (UTC) Neoklis Kyriazis wrote: > > >They patched gcc to produce PIE by default - and that's one of Debian > >stretch release goals. See: > > > >https://wiki.debian.org/Hardening/PIEByDefaultTransition > > > Ah thanks! New to Debian so I was not aw

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 15/04/2017 à 12:44, Brian a écrit : simple install=some control of d-i. expert install=total control of d-i. Expert install gives more control, but is far from granting total control. The Debian installer still has many automated actions that you cannot control even in expert mode.

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 15/04/2017 à 16:28, David Wright a écrit : On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:05:12 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: A SD card reader such as the one the OP has just exposes the SD card as what it is, a SD/MMC card (/dev/mmcblk*). I assumed that the OP, writing about a laptop, had no card reader, and

Re: ssl isues are Eating me alive.

2017-04-15 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 15:14:29 + (UTC) david...@freevolt.org wrote: > On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Reco wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 01:01:24PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:54:32AM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: > >>> This started out

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/15/2017 05:24 AM, Brian wrote: On Fri 14 Apr 2017 at 13:33:40 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 04/14/2017 12:24 PM, Brian wrote: Everything GRUB knows about devices comes from what the BIOS tells it. They are more than just good friends. :) It appears from 'ls' at a GRUB prompt that you

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Richard Owlett
On 04/14/2017 01:19 PM, Brian wrote: [snip] 2. I only install Grub the *first* time I do a Debian install. By poor design Grub puts the current install first on menu. When experimenting with configuration as I do, the least likely install to be functional is the latest. This re

Re: ssl isues are Eating me alive.

2017-04-15 Thread davidson
On Fri, 14 Apr 2017, Reco wrote: Hi. On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 01:01:24PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 11:54:32AM -0500, Martin McCormick wrote: This started out a year or so ago with the occasional site in which lynx would report that it was unable to establish a

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread David Wright
On Sat 15 Apr 2017 at 11:05:12 (+0200), Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Le 15/04/2017 à 02:37, David Wright a écrit : > > > >Of course, an SD card can be > >made to look like a USB stick just by sticking it in a card reader. > > I guess you mean "in a USB-to-SD card adapter", which translates a > SD card

Re: In Stretch, gcc producing position independent binaries by default?

2017-04-15 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:50:59 + (UTC) Neoklis Kyriazis wrote: > Hi, > > I have recently completed my first installation of Debian (stretch) > and I am compiling some apps from source. I have noticed that filers > show binaries produce by gcc as being shared library objects instea

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread songbird
Brian wrote: > songbird wrote: > >> what i would do for grins is unplug the >> devices other than the SSD and the installation >> media and then do a base system (simple install >> - not expert) and see what the installer does >> detect and writes in the fstab and grub menu >> (it may even bo

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread songbird
Brian wrote: ... > And, more to the point, is there booting from the card without any error > messages? ... and as additional info you can adjust some things in grub via editing /etc/default/grub (and running update-grub) if you don't like how the menu is being generated. songbird

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Brian
On Fri 14 Apr 2017 at 20:02:11 -0400, songbird wrote: > what i would do for grins is unplug the > devices other than the SSD and the installation > media and then do a base system (simple install > - not expert) and see what the installer does > detect and writes in the fstab and grub menu >

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Brian
On Fri 14 Apr 2017 at 13:33:40 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/14/2017 12:24 PM, Brian wrote: > > > >Everything GRUB knows about devices comes from what the BIOS tells it. > >They are more than just good friends. :) > > > >It appears from 'ls' at a GRUB prompt that your GRUB does not know abo

Re: Possibly erroneous "device not present" message during boot

2017-04-15 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Le 15/04/2017 à 02:37, David Wright a écrit : Of course, an SD card can be made to look like a USB stick just by sticking it in a card reader. I guess you mean "in a USB-to-SD card adapter", which translates a SD card into a USB mass storage device (/dev/sd*). A SD card reader such as the one