Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On Wednesday 31 August 2016 19:40:18 Curt wrote: > On 2016-08-31, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Wednesday 31 August 2016 17:45:07 Curt wrote: > >> as is your own post in which you did not wrap your lines. > > > > Does everyone else agree with this? They are displaying wrapped for me, > > and the setti

[jessie] how to file bug report against update that broke other packages?

As of a few days ago the gscan2pdf program is no longer functioning properly in up-to-date jessie. The culprit seems to be one of the packages updated as part of the recent imagemagick security update. But I don't which of the updated files, or even which package, causes the problem (indeed, I am

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 6:21 PM, Brian wrote: > On Wed 31 Aug 2016 at 13:14:08 +, Amir H. Firouzian wrote: > > > There is a trade off between decentralization & reliability. Traditional > > E-Mail that people are talking about is NOT TRULY decentral. > > For instance think about how E-Mail wo

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On Wed 31 Aug 2016 at 00:34:47 (+0100), Brian wrote: > On Tue 30 Aug 2016 at 17:22:34 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > On Tue 30 Aug 2016 at 20:26:45 (+0100), Brian wrote: > > > On Tue 30 Aug 2016 at 19:31:08 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > > > > Just out of interest, why have you sent a persona

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On Tue 30 Aug 2016 at 18:45:34 (+0100), Brian wrote: > On Tue 30 Aug 2016 at 11:18:10 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > On Tue 30 Aug 2016 at 09:59:42 (-0400), Henning Follmann wrote: > > > > > > However, why email is still reliable, because a proper setup provides you > > > with a well defined er

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On Wed 31 Aug 2016 at 16:10:37 (+0200), Nicolas George wrote: > Le quartidi 14 fructidor, an CCXXIV, David Wright a écrit : > > The error might have been mine. I think I CC'd Lisi in error. > > The other list I'm on expects people to group-reply. > > I forgot myself. After some experiments, I thin

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Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 09:16:00AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > I have Jessie installed on a desktop and a laptop. They both take about > 105-110 seconds to boot. Squeeze on the desktop takes ~15 seconds to boot. My jessie install also takes a long time to boot. A lot of it i

Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

On Wed 31 Aug 2016 at 11:25:17 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/31/2016 10:44 AM, Felix Miata wrote: > >Richard Owlett composed on 2016-08-31 09:58 (UTC-0500): > >... > >>Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Job > >>dev-disk-by\x2duuid-0a344714\x2dae06\x2d43ed\x2daf89\x2d33ba51934630.de > >

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On 2016-08-31, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 31 August 2016 17:45:07 Curt wrote: >> as is your own post in which you did not wrap your lines. > > Does everyone else agree with this? They are displaying wrapped for me, and > the setting requires them to wrap and is still set to column 78. (I

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On Wed 31 Aug 2016 at 13:14:08 +, Amir H. Firouzian wrote: > There is a trade off between decentralization & reliability. Traditional > E-Mail that people are talking about is NOT TRULY decentral. > For instance think about how E-Mail work: > 1- Mail Client Query MX record from DNS IM systems

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On Wednesday 31 August 2016 17:45:07 Curt wrote: > as is your own post in which you did not wrap your lines. Does everyone else agree with this? They are displaying wrapped for me, and the setting requires them to wrap and is still set to column 78. (I have just checked.) If they are not wrap

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

It's not my point of view, It's P2P philosophy. if you consider the project that try to collect Internet Informations; This philosophy seems to be rational. On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Henning Follmann wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 01:14:08PM +, Amir H. Firouzian wrote: > > > [...] >

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On Wednesday 31 August 2016 11:31:18 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 31 August 2016 15:45:42 Mark Fletcher wrote: > > Well and > > good -- actually, very good, because it prevents me making the > > stupid mistake I frequently make of cc-ing the poster of the mail I > > am replying to. > > But it

Re: Security Updates

Hello Paul, Thank you for your kind response to my inquiry. My comments in-line below: On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 14:48:36 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: >On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:58:47PM -0700, Larry Dighera wrote: >> >>This page states: >> >>"If y

Re: Security Updates

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 08:16:45 -0700 Larry Dighera wrote: >On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 13:28:21 +, "Andrew M.A. Cater" > wrote: > >>On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 06:04:34AM -0700, Larry Dighera wrote: >>> On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 20:44:27 +, "Andrew M.A. Cate

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On 2016-08-31, Lisi Reisz wrote: >> >> How about postings in HTML as a case in point of egregious violation? > > Purely factually, it was in multipart-alternative. I hadn't even noticed > that my nice plain text display was attched to the possibility of displaying > HTML. > And purely factuall

Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

Richard Owlett composed on 2016-08-31 11:25 (UTC-0500): Commenting out the line in /etc/fstab DID allow it to boot without warning messages. However,taking into account Darac's comments, does this now mean that the machines are now operating without a swap partition? If fstab has no uncomme

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On Wednesday 31 August 2016 17:12:43 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 31 August 2016 17:01:36 Curt wrote: > > On 2016-08-31, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > > By participating in this list you implicitly agree to abide by the code > > > of conduct; authority is not granted to you to decide which parts of

Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

On 8/31/2016 10:44 AM, Felix Miata wrote: Richard Owlett composed on 2016-08-31 09:58 (UTC-0500): ... Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Job dev-disk-by\x2duuid-0a344714\x2dae06\x2d43ed\x2daf89\x2d33ba51934630.de Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device dev-disk

Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

On Wed, 2016-08-31 at 10:24 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 09:16:00AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > What's going on? > > Are the messages that scroll past preserved anywhere? > > When booting with systemd, the boot messages are stored in RAM > automatically, and can

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On Wednesday 31 August 2016 17:01:36 Curt wrote: > On 2016-08-31, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > By participating in this list you implicitly agree to abide by the code > > of conduct; authority is not granted to you to decide which parts of it > > you will abide by and which not. > > How about postings

Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:00:27AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 8/31/2016 10:06 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: > >Look for swap partitions defined in /etc/fstab and see if one of them > >is on a device that no longer exists (or exists only intermittently, > >such as a removable USB drive). Chances

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On 2016-08-31, Mark Fletcher wrote: > >> > By participating in this list you implicitly agree to abide by the code of > conduct; authority is not granted to you to decide which parts of it you > will abide by and which not. > How about postings in HTML as a case in point of egregious violation?

Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

On 8/31/2016 10:06 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 09:58:39AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Job dev-disk-by\x2duuid-0a344714\x2dae06\x2d43ed\x2daf89\x2d33ba51934630.de Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device dev

Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

Richard Owlett composed on 2016-08-31 09:58 (UTC-0500): ... Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Job dev-disk-by\x2duuid-0a344714\x2dae06\x2d43ed\x2daf89\x2d33ba51934630.de Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for device dev-disk-by\x2duuid-0a344714\x2dae06\x2d43ed\x Aug 3

Re: Security Updates

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 14:19:15 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: >On Wednesday 31 August 2016 10:39:53 Lisi Reisz wrote: >> Since you are not replying to anyhting, you may not be subscribed, > >I had a reply off list that said that Larry is not replying to our questions >because he considers them irrelevan

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

Le quintidi 15 fructidor, an CCXXIV, Lisi Reisz a écrit : > But it doesn't prevent Nicolas from deliberately cc-ing most of the rest of > us > when replying to our mails; which is exceedingly annoying and is NOT in > compliance with the CoC. I do not "deliberately" cc anyone most of the time, I

Re: Security Updates

On Wednesday 31 August 2016 16:16:45 Larry Dighera wrote: > Have you even looked at the information here: > ?  After reading > that announcement, how can you continue to insist that I am not running > Debian Jessie? That page (URL) confirm

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On Wednesday 31 August 2016 15:45:42 Mark Fletcher wrote: > Well and > good -- actually, very good, because it prevents me making the stupid > mistake I frequently make of cc-ing the poster of the mail I am replying > to. But it doesn't prevent Nicolas from deliberately cc-ing most of the rest of

Re: Security Updates

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 08:16:45AM -0700, Larry Dighera wrote: > Have you even looked at the information here: > ? After reading > that announcement, how can you continue to insist that I am not running Debian > Jessie? 1) It's not on a

Re: Security Updates

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 13:28:21 +, "Andrew M.A. Cater" wrote: >On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 06:04:34AM -0700, Larry Dighera wrote: >> On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 20:44:27 +, "Andrew M.A. Cater" >> wrote: >> >> >On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:58:47PM -0700, Larry Dighera wrote: >> >> >> >> This page

Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 09:58:39AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Job > dev-disk-by\x2duuid-0a344714\x2dae06\x2d43ed\x2daf89\x2d33ba51934630.de > Aug 31 09:13:32 deb8-2ndtry systemd[1]: Timed out waiting for > device dev-disk-by\x2duuid-0a344714\x2dae06\x2d

Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 09:16:00AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: I have Jessie installed on a desktop and a laptop. They both take about 105-110 seconds to boot. Squeeze on the desktop takes ~15 seconds to boot. Most of the delay seems to be in something that states approximately "A start job i

Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

On 8/31/2016 9:24 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 09:16:00AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: What's going on? Are the messages that scroll past preserved anywhere? When booting with systemd, the boot messages are stored in RAM automatically, and can be viewed by running "journalc

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 11:11 PM Nicolas George wrote: > Le quartidi 14 fructidor, an CCXXIV, David Wright a écrit : > This clause of the code of conduct is unsustainable, and therefore should > be > ignored until the configuration is fixed and the corresponding clause > updated. > > By participa

Re: Security Updates

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 10:18 PM Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 31 August 2016 10:39:53 Lisi Reisz wrote: > > Since you are not replying to anyhting, you may not be subscribed, > > I had a reply off list that said that Larry is not replying to our > questions > because he considers them irrelev

Re: Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 09:16:00AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > What's going on? > Are the messages that scroll past preserved anywhere? When booting with systemd, the boot messages are stored in RAM automatically, and can be viewed by running "journalctl" as root. I'd definitely start there.

Jessie (8.0) slow to boot

I have Jessie installed on a desktop and a laptop. They both take about 105-110 seconds to boot. Squeeze on the desktop takes ~15 seconds to boot. Most of the delay seems to be in something that states approximately "A start job is running for dev-disk-by\x2duuid?.device (t}" Where

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

Le quartidi 14 fructidor, an CCXXIV, David Wright a écrit : > The error might have been mine. I think I CC'd Lisi in error. > The other list I'm on expects people to group-reply. > I forgot myself. Systematic group-reply is the correct way of using mailing-lists, because it is the only way that do

Re: Jessie live booting at 32 bit uefi PC ?

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:30 PM Hyeonjin Oh wrote: > Hi Thomas Schmitt, Thank you for fast feedback. > > Have good day. > > I can confirm recent experience, live CD couldn't boot UEFI but netinst could. I used live CD to boot a new machine and build LFS until the grub installation stage, when I d

Re: postfix mail filtering

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 01:21:13PM +0100, Tony van der Hoff wrote: > Hi list, > > I'm running postfix under Wheezy on my VPS, using a more or less > out-of-the-box configuration. My users access their mail via IMAP. > > I subscribe to a number of mail lists, such as this one. I currently use > Th

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

> It's better that your message Not arrive instead of being disclose! and > This is the philosophy behind True P2P IM systems. Oh, I don't need 100% absolutely guaranteed delivery. Just some reasonable expectation that messages won't be silently dropped on the floor in fairly normal circumstances

Re: Security Updates

On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:58:47PM -0700, Larry Dighera wrote: This page states: "If you use APT, add the following line to /etc/apt/sources.list to be able to access the latest security updates: deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/up

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 01:14:08PM +, Amir H. Firouzian wrote: > [...] > About you last sentence: > It's better that your message Not arrive instead of being disclose! and > This is the philosophy behind True P2P IM systems. Getting offtopic here. However, please elaborate why this is bette

Re: Security Updates

On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 06:04:34AM -0700, Larry Dighera wrote: > On Tue, 30 Aug 2016 20:44:27 +, "Andrew M.A. Cater" > wrote: > > >On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 12:58:47PM -0700, Larry Dighera wrote: > >> > >> This page states: > >> > >> "If you

Re: Security Updates

On Wednesday 31 August 2016 10:39:53 Lisi Reisz wrote: > Since you are not replying to anyhting, you may not be subscribed, I had a reply off list that said that Larry is not replying to our questions because he considers them irrelevant to his original question. Lisi > so here > is what I sai

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

There is a trade off between decentralization & reliability. Traditional E-Mail that people are talking about is NOT TRULY decentral. For instance think about how E-Mail work: 1- Mail Client Query MX record from DNS 2- Connect to SMTP Server and Exchange E-Mail. 3- SMTP figure out the sender IP and

Re: postfix mail filtering

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 13:21:13 +0100 Tony van der Hoff wrote: > So, I'd like to perform the filtering on the server (for my user > initially, then perhaps for others). My extensive googling reveals > that there are many tutorials for filtering spam, but that's not > really my problem. What you're

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On Wed 31 Aug 2016 at 10:54:53 +0200, claude juif wrote: > > Le 31 août 2016 9:48 AM, "Joe" a écrit : > > > > Email is still a useful messaging protocol, it is somewhat broken, but > > the cure absolutely must not be worse than the disease, or we'll all > > end up using Facebook. > Come on guys,

postfix mail filtering

Hi list, I'm running postfix under Wheezy on my VPS, using a more or less out-of-the-box configuration. My users access their mail via IMAP. I subscribe to a number of mail lists, such as this one. I currently use Thunderbird's filtering capability to sort mail into a number of subdirectorie

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On Wednesday 31 August 2016 07:27:51 deloptes wrote: > Use authorized > SMTP servers. mailhost.zen.co.uk https://www.zen.co.uk/ As I said, lucky you. Lisi

Re: Security Updates

Since you are not replying to anyhting, you may not be subscribed, so here is what I said again: On Tuesday 30 August 2016 20:58:47 Larry Dighera wrote: > This page states: > > "If you use APT, add the following line to /etc/apt/sources.list to

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

Hi, Come on guys, the OP ask about instant messaging and mail is everything except instant messaging. IRC with recording bot could do the job. (But it's clearly old and kind of hard to setup) By the way, you could make a simple app based on AMQP protocol to fit your need. Regards, Le 31 août 2

Re: Decentralized reliable instant messaging?

On Wed, 31 Aug 2016 08:27:51 +0200 deloptes wrote: > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > >> About reliability - I have not seen recently undelivered mails > >> (except bounces between gmain and yahoo . > > > > Lucky you! > > > > Lisi > > Luck is something, that is out of scope in terms of softwa

Re: Jessie live booting at 32 bit uefi PC ?

Hi Thomas Schmitt, Thank you for fast feedback. Have good day. 2016. 8. 31. 오후 3:58에 "Thomas Schmitt" 님이 작성: > Hi, > > Hyeonjin Oh wrote: > > Is jessie live possible to boot at 32 bit uefi PC ? > > Only via "legacy" BIOS emulation. > > Inspection of > http://cdimage.debian.org/mirror/cdimage/a