Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Joel Roth
Stephen Powell wrote: > As far as LILO being unmaintained is concerned, I wouldn't be too concerned > about that. I've been thinking about offering to maintain it myself. I > haven't > heard from Joachim lately. Maybe I'll drop him another line. I think LILO is an important part of Linux infra

Linux has come a long way

2016-07-09 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
Linux has come a long way! I have been dreading to go wireless on my desktop for a while. A while ago, the process was like this - grab drivers from manufacters website, custom compile kernels, read documentation on how to connect to a password encrypted network. If something does not work, search

Re: off topic Question of the day..

2016-07-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 09 July 2016 21:51:52 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Saturday, July 09, 2016 07:14:24 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > I believe it is. Checking, yes. If that is the correct size, and its > > truly borderless when selected as "tabloid(borderless)", if the > > paper guidance can be improved,

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, Jul 9, 2016, at 18:25, Brian wrote: > On Sat 09 Jul 2016 at 16:41:24 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: >> >> Long live choice! > > For choice to exist it does not have to be presented as such in the > installer. > Your point is well taken. The installer does not offer choice in everything, j

Re: off topic Question of the day..

2016-07-09 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, July 09, 2016 07:14:24 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > I believe it is. Checking, yes. If that is the correct size, and its > truly borderless when selected as "tabloid(borderless)", if the paper > guidance can be improved, that would be ideal as when I trimmed it up > and put it on a big she

Re: off topic Question of the day..

2016-07-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 09 July 2016 18:30:24 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote on 07/09/16 13:55: > > > > lpoptions -l shows. So, what label A4, A3, ledger etc is actually > > 11x17? In the last 20 years, here in the US, paper sizes other > > than > > Is Tabloid > (https://en.wikipedia.org/wi

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Felix Miata
Brian composed on 2016-07-09 21:00 (UTC+0100): ...the installer inexplicably offers a choice between GRUB and LILO. The installer manual is unhelpful on which to choose. A newcomer wouldn't have a clue. We do them no service with this retrograde offering. Get rid of it. Probably a Bad idea. Ap

Re: off topic Question of the day..

2016-07-09 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Gene Heskett wrote on 07/09/16 13:55: > lpoptions -l shows. So, what label A4, A3, ledger etc is actually > 11x17? In the last 20 years, here in the US, paper sizes other than Is Tabloid (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size#North_American_paper_sizes ) in the list? Regards, jvp.

Re: off topic Question of the day..

2016-07-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 09 July 2016 18:28:27 Doug wrote: > On 07/08/2016 11:45 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Friday 08 July 2016 21:35:30 Gene Heskett wrote: > >> Greetings all; > >> > >> I bought, about a month ago, a big Brother MFC, proclaimed that it > >> could do 11x17 prints when single sheet fed from

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Brian
On Sat 09 Jul 2016 at 16:41:24 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016, at 16:00, Brian wrote: > > > > All well and good but the installer inexplicably offers a choice between > > GRUB and LILO. The installer manual is unhelpful on which to choose. A > > newcomer wouldn't have a clue.

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Brian
On Sat 09 Jul 2016 at 22:05:45 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > Le 09/07/2016 à 22:00, Brian a écrit : > > > > What is the point of a choice? Just offer GRUB; it is the bootloader for > > Debian and has many advantages over LILO in todayss Linux ecosystem. > > People who have a great desire to use LIL

Re: off topic Question of the day..

2016-07-09 Thread Doug
On 07/08/2016 11:45 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Friday 08 July 2016 21:35:30 Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings all; I bought, about a month ago, a big Brother MFC, proclaimed that it could do 11x17 prints when single sheet fed from the slot in the rear. Its a Brother MFC-J6920DW. So having a rock

Re: How to prevent /tmp files from being deleted at reboot

2016-07-09 Thread MI
/tmp is most likely a tmpfs, a filesystem in RAM which will vanish (and all files and directories in it) as soon as the computer is rebooted. No, it's a dedicated partition on disk. But /tmp being wiped on (re)boot has been the norm and case for UNIX-based operating systems since nearly fore

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, Jul 9, 2016, at 16:33, Felix Miata wrote: > > All that's well and good, but I see nothing there that equates to my > understanding of the meaning of "editing", which includes removal as well as > appending. Oh, I see what you're saying. Well, the Linux kernel generally does it's own ov

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, Jul 9, 2016, at 16:00, Brian wrote: > > All well and good but the installer inexplicably offers a choice between > GRUB and LILO. The installer manual is unhelpful on which to choose. A > newcomer wouldn't have a clue. We do them no service with this retrograde > offering. Get rid of it. >

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Felix Miata
Erwan David composed on 2016-07-09 22:05 (UTC+0200): Brian composed: What is the point of a choice? Just offer GRUB; it is the bootloader for Debian... What is the point of a choice, just use the windows provided with your PC... :-D Linux and debian is just about choice given to the us

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Felix Miata
Stephen Powell composed on 2016-07-09 13:19 (UTC-0400): Felix Miata wrote: Stephen Powell composed on 2016-07-09 08:58 (UTC-0400): As for features, LILO has all the features that I need. One feature it never acquired AFAIK, which Grub shares with Syslinux, is the

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Erwan David
Le 09/07/2016 à 22:00, Brian a écrit : > > What is the point of a choice? Just offer GRUB; it is the bootloader for > Debian and has many advantages over LILO in todayss Linux ecosystem. > People who have a great desire to use LILO can search it out. > > Unmaintained in Debian, The bit-rot starts

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Brian
On Sat 09 Jul 2016 at 13:19:08 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016, at 10:53, Felix Miata wrote: > > Stephen Powell composed on 2016-07-09 08:58 (UTC-0400): > > > >> As for features, LILO has all the features that I need. > > > > One feature it never acquired AFAIK, which Grub sha

Re: How to prevent /tmp files from being deleted at reboot

2016-07-09 Thread Sven Hartge
MI wrote: > In Debian Jessie, systemd ignores the TMPTIME variable in /etc/default/rcS > and just > blindly deletes everything on every reboot. > A bug has been filed about it: "#795269 TMPTIME not honored anymore" > ( https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=795269 ) > But I tried

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, Jul 9, 2016, at 10:53, Felix Miata wrote: > Stephen Powell composed on 2016-07-09 08:58 (UTC-0400): > >> As for features, LILO has all the features that I need. > > One feature it never acquired AFAIK, which Grub shares with Syslinux, is the > ability to edit the kernel cmdline at boot t

How to prevent /tmp files from being deleted at reboot

2016-07-09 Thread MI
In Debian Jessie, systemd ignores the TMPTIME variable in /etc/default/rcS and just blindly deletes everything on every reboot. A bug has been filed about it: "#795269 TMPTIME not honored anymore" ( https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=795269 ) But I tried the suggested solution,

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Felix Miata
Stephen Powell composed on 2016-07-09 08:58 (UTC-0400): As for features, LILO has all the features that I need. One feature it never acquired AFAIK, which Grub shares with Syslinux, is the ability to edit the kernel cmdline at boot time, before kernel load. With problematic hardware, problem

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-09 Thread Stephen Powell
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016, at 20:53, Felix Miata wrote: > Stephen Powell composed on 2016-07-07 20:30 (UTC-0400): > > > If your system has a BIOS and a traditional DOS-style partition table, > > there's no reason not to use LILO, unless you just don't want to. > > Or, if you like to be able to boot wit

Re: off topic Question of the day..

2016-07-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 09 July 2016 02:56:38 Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > With cups-client all printer specific options can be listed with > > lpoptions -l > > To select a specific printer add '-p '. See 'man > lpoptions' or http://localhost:631/help . > > Regards, > jvp. Thats informative, but the printers

Re: debian wifi install

2016-07-09 Thread Curt
On 2016-07-08, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Install was successful this time since I now have rt2870.bin available for > debian to install and use. Unfortunately, the installer did not save the > network configuration it figured out and used to my new system. Has > anyone got a good url describing