Re: enumerating with Grub*

2016-07-07 Thread Felix Miata
David Wright composed on 2016-07-08 00:04 (UTC-0500): What I'm trying to find out is why you wrote "Grub2 *inexplicably* counts partitions starting with 1" (my emphasis) when everything I've ever seen counts partitions from 1 (with the notable exception of old Grub). I think they've been counted

Re: Debian Server (NAT Gateway) Periodically Crashing

2016-07-07 Thread Peter Ludikovsky
Hi, I don't know much about kernel debugging myself, but this looks like something to report. Take a look at [0] on how to do that. Regards /peter [0] https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting Am 07.07.2016 um 08:38 schrieb Christian Harris: > Hello All, > > I am hoping to get some help with one o

Re: enumerating with Grub*

2016-07-07 Thread David Wright
On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 22:52:57 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote: > David Wright composed on 2016-07-07 20:03 (UTC-0500): > > >On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 20:03:46 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote: > > >>Grub and Grub2 count drives starting with 0 (as a BIOS does). > > >>Grub also counts partitions starting with 0

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Felix Miata
Gary Dale composed on 2016-07-07 14:39 (UTC-0400): It also has a "rescue shell" that I've never been able to do anything useful with. When grub fails, I boot from a rescue cd instead. That way I get a real working environment. The Grub shell works the same whether in boot rescue mode or run fr

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Gary Dale
On 07/07/16 05:12 PM, Brian wrote: On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 15:18:05 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 07/07/16 02:55 PM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to updated each time you changed somet

Re: enumerating with Grub*

2016-07-07 Thread Felix Miata
David Wright composed on 2016-07-07 20:03 (UTC-0500): On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 20:03:46 (-0400), Felix Miata wrote: Grub and Grub2 count drives starting with 0 (as a BIOS does). Grub also counts partitions starting with 0. Grub2 inexplicably counts partitions starting with 1. I'm afraid

Re: Problem w. browser when running on SSD

2016-07-07 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: Where does the google-chrome-beta store its temporary files? If it has any? I'm happily using firefox in testing/sid. It uses the .mozilla profile folder in my $HOME on an SSD and a mozilla directory for caching some files which via the XDG_CACHE_HOME environment variabl

Re: Problem w. browser when running on SSD

2016-07-07 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Wed, 2016-07-06 at 22:06 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Greetings everybody, This is a newly installed Sid system that has 2 Samsung HD502HJ disks of 500GB and a Samsung SSD830 of 128GB. It has 2 graphics cards, Model:"nVidia G98 [GeForce 8400 GS Rev. 2]". The reason

Re: enumerating with Grub* (was: reasons to ditch LILO before...)

2016-07-07 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, July 07, 2016 09:03:38 PM David Wright wrote: > The most modern fdisk program I have is gdisk (for GPT disks) and it > counts partitions from 1. Is there some newfangled disk subsystem > that's passed me by which starts counting at zero? I guess it still confuses me, but maybe I have

Re: Problem w. browser when running on SSD

2016-07-07 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Felix Miata wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom composed on 2016-07-06 22:06 (UTC-0500): This is a newly installed Sid system that has 2 Samsung HD502HJ disks of 500GB and a Samsung SSD830 of 128GB. It has 2 graphics cards, Model:"nVidia G98 [GeForce 8400 GS Rev. 2]". ... I have tried to google for thi

Re: Bash command completion

2016-07-07 Thread Glenn English
> On Jul 6, 2016, at 11:33 PM, Peter Ludikovsky wrote: > > No, chsh changes the login shell for the user within /etc/passwd. It > won't affect any currently active shells. > > What happens when you do an > /bin/bash --login > That should start a login shell. If you still only get the tab > cha

Re: enumerating with Grub* (was: reasons to ditch LILO before...)

2016-07-07 Thread David Wright
> rhkra...@gmail.com composed on 2016-07-07 18:47 (UTC-0400): > >The thing that always frustrated me about grub is that, iirc, they counted > >disks / partitions different than lilo and the rest of Linux--they start > >counting at 1 (like Windows, iirc), and lilo and Linux start counting at > >0--

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Felix Miata
Stephen Powell composed on 2016-07-07 20:30 (UTC-0400): If your system has a BIOS and a traditional DOS-style partition table, there's no reason not to use LILO, unless you just don't want to. Or, if you like to be able to boot without hunting down rescue media even though you forgot to "reru

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Stephen Powell
On Thu, Jul 7, 2016, at 10:57, Giovanni Gigante wrote: > > At the end, I decided to try the upgrade to jessie with LiLo (24.1) in > place. I thought that the probability of hitting some bug caused by the > interaction between LiLo and the upgraded distribution was less than the > probabily of c

Re: enumerating with Grub* (was: reasons to ditch LILO before...)

2016-07-07 Thread Felix Miata
rhkra...@gmail.com composed on 2016-07-07 18:47 (UTC-0400): The thing that always frustrated me about grub is that, iirc, they counted disks / partitions different than lilo and the rest of Linux--they start counting at 1 (like Windows, iirc), and lilo and Linux start counting at 0--is that stil

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Michael Milliman
On 07/07/2016 05:47 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I'll take advantage of this thread to ask a question / express my frustration with grub: The thing that always frustrated me about grub is that, iirc, they counted disks / partitions different than lilo and the rest of Linux--they start countin

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Michael Milliman
On 07/07/2016 05:47 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I'll take advantage of this thread to ask a question / express my frustration with grub: The thing that always frustrated me about grub is that, iirc, they counted disks / partitions different than lilo and the rest of Linux--they start countin

Re: Debian Server (NAT Gateway) Periodically Crashing

2016-07-07 Thread David Christensen
On 07/06/2016 11:38 PM, Christian Harris wrote: I am hoping to get some help with one of my virtual machines. I am running a KVM host with several virtual machines provide internet services to a small network. The gateway machine is a Debian 8 minimum install that was updated to 8.5. ... I use

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread rhkramer
I'll take advantage of this thread to ask a question / express my frustration with grub: The thing that always frustrated me about grub is that, iirc, they counted disks / partitions different than lilo and the rest of Linux--they start counting at 1 (like Windows, iirc), and lilo and Linux sta

Re: why is Inkscape so bad lately?

2016-07-07 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 16:41 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > I have a very simple file with two text objects, two circles and an  > image and that's exactly what happened when I tried to work with it. > The  > circles (no stroke and no fill) were used to create a path for the > text  > to follow. > > It

Re: Virtual Package list

2016-07-07 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2016-07-07 15:42 -0500, David Wright wrote: > When aptitude is run in interactive mode, it shows a list of > Virtual Packages > virtual, which is 8267 lines long on my > jessie laptop. Where does aptitude get this list from? > Does it laboriously construct it from Provides:, Replaces:, > and Co

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Brian
On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 15:18:05 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > On 07/07/16 02:55 PM, David Wright wrote: > >On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: > >>The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to > >>updated each time you changed something. That fell by the ways

Virtual Package list

2016-07-07 Thread David Wright
When aptitude is run in interactive mode, it shows a list of Virtual Packages > virtual, which is 8267 lines long on my jessie laptop. Where does aptitude get this list from? Does it laboriously construct it from Provides:, Replaces:, and Conflicts: lines in the Packages files and then cache it to

Re: why is Inkscape so bad lately?

2016-07-07 Thread Gary Dale
On 07/07/16 03:17 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 14:23 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: I admit that I only use Inkscape on an occasional basis but I don't recall it being so atrociously bad in my past experiences with it. However the current round of bugs I'm seeing suggest that the dev

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Michael Milliman
On 07/07/2016 01:55 PM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to updated each time you changed something. That fell by the wayside with Grub 2. Now the big selling feature is that it works

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread David Wright
On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 15:18:05 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: > On 07/07/16 02:55 PM, David Wright wrote: > >On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: > >>The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to > >>updated each time you changed something. That fell by the way

Re: Debian menu for fvwm2

2016-07-07 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 20:16 +0200, Kamil Jońca wrote: > I have debian box with sid > > After one of last upgrade I realized that programs disappeared from > menu. > I have some googling and read that debian "abandon" menu method and > migrate to "*.desktop" files. (Yes?) That is correct. Looks l

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Gary Dale
On 07/07/16 02:55 PM, David Wright wrote: On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to updated each time you changed something. That fell by the wayside with Grub 2. Now the big selling feature is that it works with

Re: why is Inkscape so bad lately?

2016-07-07 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Thu, 2016-07-07 at 14:23 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: > I admit that I only use Inkscape on an occasional basis but I don't  > recall it being so atrociously bad in my past experiences with it.  > However the current round of bugs I'm seeing suggest that the > developers  > aren't really in control o

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread David Wright
On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 14:39:51 (-0400), Gary Dale wrote: > The big selling feature of Grub over Lilo was that it didn't need to > updated each time you changed something. That fell by the wayside > with Grub 2. Now the big selling feature is that it works with more > than just Linux. I guess I don

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Gary Dale
On 05/07/16 09:38 AM, Giovanni Gigante wrote: Hello, I am preparing my system for the upgrade from wheezy to jessie. Since ancient ages, this system has been using LILO as the bootloader, because, long ago, it was the only bootloader that was recommended for my setup: this machine has two SATA

Re: why is Inkscape so bad lately?

2016-07-07 Thread deloptes
Gary Dale wrote: > I admit that I only use Inkscape on an occasional basis but I don't > recall it being so atrociously bad in my past experiences with it. > However the current round of bugs I'm seeing suggest that the developers > aren't really in control of their code. > you mean this ugly pr

Debian menu for fvwm2

2016-07-07 Thread Kamil Jońca
I have debian box with sid After one of last upgrade I realized that programs disappeared from menu. I have some googling and read that debian "abandon" menu method and migrate to "*.desktop" files. (Yes?) Unfortunately I cannot use *.desktop files. There is fvwm-menu-desktop but I cannot use i

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread David Wright
On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 08:33:57 (+0200), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Wed, Jul 06, 2016 at 02:23:39PM -0500, Don Armstrong wrote: > > On Wed, 06 Jul 2016, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > YMMV, I find it impenetrable. > > > > I'm assuming you mean the generated configuration? It's literally just > > s

why is Inkscape so bad lately?

2016-07-07 Thread Gary Dale
I admit that I only use Inkscape on an occasional basis but I don't recall it being so atrociously bad in my past experiences with it. However the current round of bugs I'm seeing suggest that the developers aren't really in control of their code. Grouping objects creates different results in

Re: Turn on Echo in Terminal

2016-07-07 Thread David Wright
On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 16:27:41 (+), Shelly Love wrote: > Commands I type in the terminal don't show, although the results occur. > So if I type "ls" I don't see "ls" but the directory listing is shown. > How do I enable? > I have tried > stty echo > and reset and this hasn't worked. It might h

Re: Turn on Echo in Terminal

2016-07-07 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, obviously the terminal emulation is messed up. Normally this happens after a program, which can navigate over the whole terminal area, ended without cleaning up the terminal settings. The reciepe for reproducing the effect at http://askubuntu.com/questions/171449/shell-does-not-show-typed-

Turn on Echo in Terminal

2016-07-07 Thread Shelly Love
Hello, Commands I type in the terminal don't show, although the results occur. So if I type "ls" I don't see "ls" but the directory listing is shown. How do I enable? I have tried stty echo and reset and this hasn't worked. Also saw this issue being discussed below, I am running Pyt

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Giovanni Gigante
Brian wrote: Giovanni Gigante seems happy enough with LiLo and there appears to be no definite indication that it would fail to boot an upgraded machine. He could consider leaving it in place, reading the bug reports and having a plan to install GRUB should something go wrong afterwards. At t

Re: make cannot find file

2016-07-07 Thread Danny
> Danny wrote: > > I found the slippery file ... ;) > > Thank you Thomas > > You owe my curiosity some details. What file was slippery in what way ? > How did you repair the situation ? > After installing EVERYTHING (lol) that has some resemblance to "asm/socket.h" (including the ones you sugges

Re: Browser Flakiness under Jessie -- Why?

2016-07-07 Thread Haines Brown
On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 02:33:48PM +0200, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > Since you used iceweasel/firefox over several releases, it may be a > problem with your profile folder which probably is located in your > HOME folder in ~/.mozilla . Because I found my iceweasel had crashed just as I read this

Re: Browser Flakiness under Jessie -- Why?

2016-07-07 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Since you used iceweasel/firefox over several releases, it may be a problem with your profile folder which probably is located in your HOME folder in ~/.mozilla . So first thing to try is a new profile. For that purpose terminate the browser. Make sure, from a terminal, no hidden processes are sti

Re: Problem w. browser when running on SSD

2016-07-07 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
Where does the google-chrome-beta store its temporary files? If it has any? I'm happily using firefox in testing/sid. It uses the .mozilla profile folder in my $HOME on an SSD and a mozilla directory for caching some files which via the XDG_CACHE_HOME environment variable is located in /tmp which

Re: Problem w. browser when running on SSD

2016-07-07 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Wed, 2016-07-06 at 22:06 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Greetings everybody, > > This is a newly installed Sid system that has 2 Samsung HD502HJ disks > of  > 500GB and a Samsung SSD830 of 128GB. > > It has 2 graphics cards, Model:"nVidia G98 [GeForce 8400 GS Rev. 2]". > > The reason it is a

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Brian
On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 12:44:40 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 11:32:42AM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 10:35:47 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > > On Thursday 07 July 2016 07:33:57 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > > Let's make it (GRUB2) impenetrable boilerp

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jul 07, 2016 at 11:32:42AM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 10:35:47 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Thursday 07 July 2016 07:33:57 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > Let's make it (GRUB2) impenetrable boilerplate, then. > > > > :-)

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Brian
On Thu 07 Jul 2016 at 10:35:47 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 07 July 2016 07:33:57 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > Let's make it (GRUB2) impenetrable boilerplate, then. > > :-) +1! It doesn't need to be penetrable, does it? The generated grub.cfg just needs to boot the machine. In any case

Re: reasons to ditch LILO before upgrading to jessie?

2016-07-07 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 07 July 2016 07:33:57 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > Let's make it (GRUB2) impenetrable boilerplate, then. :-) +1! Lisi