Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread David Wright
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 09:56:37 (+), Brian wrote: > On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 12:39:58 -0600, David Wright wrote: > > > On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 17:48:01 (+), Brian wrote: > > > > > > The AirPrint facility handles a PDF (it has to). > > > > I don't understand this statement. If a printer doesn't

Re: Need help salvaging what I can from major disaster

2016-03-12 Thread rlharris
On Sat, March 12, 2016 9:59 pm, Kynn Jones wrote: > OK, post-mortem: ... > 1. after reviewing everything, the best hypothesis I have is that > the root of the problem was a bug in my backup script: it should have... I use gnome-disk-utility to mount the external usb3 drive and then I open a termin

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread David Wright
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 08:44:48 (+0100), jdd wrote: > Le 11/03/2016 21:28, David Wright a écrit : > > >You must live in a different price bracket from me. > > nope. I had at least two HP5M for free ten years ago... they died > recently. Well, let's assume that most people buy their equipment rat

Re: Need help salvaging what I can from major disaster

2016-03-12 Thread Kynn Jones
OK, post-mortem: 1. after reviewing everything, the best hypothesis I have is that the root of the problem was a bug in my backup script: it should have checked that the backup disk was properly mounted before proceeding with the back-up; something may have gone wrong with the mounting of XD aft

Tails -- wheezy based good, jessie based bad

2016-03-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan
Hi, Just reporting that I have a couple of older machines that both work well with Tails 1.8.2 -- an old Thinkpad that used to run XP and an old Macbook Pro 4,1 (early 2008). Tails 1.8.2 is based on Wheezy. Both machines fail on Tails 2.x -- the Thinkpad gets further than the Macbook Pro. 2.x i

Re: Need help salvaging what I can from major disaster

2016-03-12 Thread Kynn Jones
I realize that my last e-mail included too little information. Sorry about that. Here are some more relevant details. It turns out that I backed up the hard disk (HD) to the external drive (XD) twice. The first backup went well, as far as I can tell. I spot-checked individual files, etc. Ever

Re: events for power plug

2016-03-12 Thread Joel Roth
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 05:35:17PM -0300, Bruno Schneider wrote: > I have a notebook with Debian testing (Stretch) that gets slow > whenever the power cord is plugged in. I can't figure out the exact > reason for that, but it seems that setting the CPU governor to > performance helps a lot. > > Bu

Need help salvaging what I can from major disaster

2016-03-12 Thread Kynn Jones
The plan was: 1. back up my hard drive to a new external drive; 2. reinstall Debian; 3. restore my data from the external drive; I did 1 and 2, but when I went to restore data from the backup, there was nothing there (except for a lost+found). I don't understand how this could have happene

Re: events for power plug

2016-03-12 Thread Robert Pommrich
Hi, On 12 March 2016 21:35:17 CET, Bruno Schneider wrote: >I have a notebook with Debian testing (Stretch) that gets slow >whenever the power cord is plugged in. I can't figure out the exact >reason for that, but it seems that setting the CPU governor to >performance helps a lot. > >But calling

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 15:27:00 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 15:01:58 Brian wrote: > > > On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 14:08:58 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > My Brother HL3170CDW has a wireless interface, but no clue as to its > > > usability with airprint, mainly because I ha

events for power plug

2016-03-12 Thread Bruno Schneider
I have a notebook with Debian testing (Stretch) that gets slow whenever the power cord is plugged in. I can't figure out the exact reason for that, but it seems that setting the CPU governor to performance helps a lot. But calling cpufreq-selector is hard for regular users. I wish to make a script

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 15:01:58 Brian wrote: > On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 14:08:58 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > My Brother HL3170CDW has a wireless interface, but no clue as to its > > usability with airprint, mainly because I have it disabled in its > > own menu's and have not explored that route

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 17:01:36 -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 19:18:25 + > Brian wrote: > > > A big spoon for stirring and continuing to spread this view would be > > more suitable. :) > > > > Debian is not about freedom of choice. Can this be seen in the Social > > Cont

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Ron
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 19:18:25 + Brian wrote: > > > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants > > > > to use binary blobs?? > > > Because, it seems, for some people "Linux is about freedom of choice" > > > means "you are free to accept MY choices, and no other". >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 14:08:58 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > My Brother HL3170CDW has a wireless interface, but no clue as to its > usability with airprint, mainly because I have it disabled in its own > menu's and have not explored that route to moving data. The existence of a wireless interfac

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 14:18:25 Brian wrote: > On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 13:47:06 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 12 March 2016 08:21:14 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 + > > > > > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant t

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 12 March 2016 19:13:20 Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 12 March 2016 18:22:11 Brian wrote: > > > It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > > > > > > > vegetables or not?". Sorry, Brian. Of course you didn't say that. It is one of the snags of KMail that it som

Re: Bug ?

2016-03-12 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Sat, 2016-03-12 at 18:49 +0100, Aymeric Do wrote: > Hello, > I have several warning in my terminal when I launch program as > reportbug, > keepassx etc. > > Warning : > Gtk-WARNING **: Impossible de trouver le moteur de thème dans > module_path : > « adwaita » > > I think that is a bug on I w

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 13:47:06 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 08:21:14 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 + > > > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants > > > to use binary blobs?? > > > > Be

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 13:30:45 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 18:22:11 Brian wrote: > > It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > > > > > vegetables or not?". > > Did anyone ever really claim that snails are vegetables??? I find > that hard to believe! > > Li

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 13:22:11 Brian wrote: > On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 08:50:49 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > > fun at those who try to put some effort into a

Re: How to install Perl with readline support?

2016-03-12 Thread David Christensen
On 03/12/2016 10:48 AM, Kynn Jones wrote: What happens when you run % perl -de 0 Loading DB routines from perl5db.pl version 1.44 Editor support available. Enter h or 'h h' for help, or 'man perldebug' for more help. main::(-e:1): 0 DB<1> p 1 1

Re: Radeon trouble Jessie 8.3. [drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* with firmware-linux-nonfree installed

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 11:31:51 Trond Arild Ydersbond wrote: > I have got this working on the same machine with Wheezy 7.6 and > Knoppixes up to and including 7.6.1, but it seems that > radeon_pci_probe refuses to recognize the installed firmware. Have > tried different settings, but dmesg stil

Re: How to install Perl with readline support?

2016-03-12 Thread Kynn Jones
On 3/12/16, David Christensen wrote: > If I install: > > libterm-readline-perl-perl > > > And run the example again: > > $ perl readline.pl > > Enter your arithmetic expression: 1+1 > 2 > > Enter your arithmetic expression: 1+1 > 2 > > Enter your arithmetic expre

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 08:21:14 Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 + > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants > > to use binary blobs?? > > Because, it seems, for some people "Linux is about freedom of choice" > means "

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:46:08 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:50:49 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > > fun at those who try to put some effort into

Re: wireless not working in strech

2016-03-12 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 07.03.2016 um 21:50 schrieb nice sw123: > After an upgrade, wireless is no longer working in stretch. > (I was using a wireless adapter and needed package: firmware-realtek). > > * network-manager does not show wireless > > * > sudo iwconfig > ... shows wlx008733553eaa instead of wlan0 > >

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 12 March 2016 18:22:11 Brian wrote: > It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > > > vegetables or not?". Did anyone ever really claim that snails are vegetables??? I find that hard to believe! Lisi

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 08:50:49 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > blobs. It reminds me of the poking at v

Re: Bug ?

2016-03-12 Thread Aymeric Do
Sorry my email was sent by error : This is detail of my debian OS : No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID:Debian Description:Debian GNU/Linux testing-proposed-updates (sid) Release:testing-proposed-updates Codename:sid What packet is concerning by this bug if this is a bug

Re: Bug ?

2016-03-12 Thread Aymeric Do
Hello, This is message in english (LANG=C) and example with reportbug : (reportbug:2211): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "adwaita", (reportbug:2211): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "adwaita", But this warning come with a lot of comman

Bug ?

2016-03-12 Thread Aymeric Do
Hello, I have several warning in my terminal when I launch program as reportbug, keepassx etc. Warning : Gtk-WARNING **: Impossible de trouver le moteur de thème dans module_path : « adwaita » I think that is a bug on

Re: How to install Perl with readline support?

2016-03-12 Thread David Christensen
On 03/12/2016 09:06 AM, John L. Cunningham wrote: I have to say that I usually just install perl modules from CPAN. I have found that installing foreign software (including CPAN distributions) is a good way to destabilize Debian systems. So, I keep my most important machines "Debian clean",

Re: How to install Perl with readline support?

2016-03-12 Thread David Christensen
On 03/12/2016 08:54 AM, Kynn Jones wrote: I have been searching for the answer to the subject line's question for the last two hours. On my Wheezy 7.9 box, Term::ReadLine is already installed. RTFM Term::ReadLine, pasting the SYNOPSIS into a script, and running it: $ cat readline.pl

Re: Radeon trouble Jessie 8.3. [drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* with firmware-linux-nonfree installed

2016-03-12 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Sat, 2016-03-12 at 16:31 +, Trond Arild Ydersbond wrote: > I have got this working on the same machine with Wheezy 7.6 and > Knoppixes up to and including 7.6.1, but it seems that > radeon_pci_probe refuses to recognize the installed firmware. Have > tried different settings, but dmesg still

Re: How to install Perl with readline support?

2016-03-12 Thread John L. Cunningham
On Sat, Mar 12, 2016 at 11:54:25AM -0500, Kynn Jones wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I have been searching for the answer to the subject line's question > for the last two hours. > > None of the answers I've found work. (I.e. the `perl -de 1` REPL > remains without readline support.) I have to say th

Re: wireless not working in strech

2016-03-12 Thread nice sw123
OK, I've no resorted back to using /etc/network/interfaces and it's working. Here's what I did: ***1) dmesg | grep wlx## show the name of the wlan interface## it is usually called something like wlx008733553e50 This will show something like r8712u 1-2:1.0 wlx008733553e50: renamed

How to install Perl with readline support?

2016-03-12 Thread Kynn Jones
Hi everyone, I have been searching for the answer to the subject line's question for the last two hours. None of the answers I've found work. (I.e. the `perl -de 1` REPL remains without readline support.) I have already `apt-get install`-ed libreadline-dev libterm-readline-gnu-perl

Radeon trouble Jessie 8.3. [drm:radeon_pci_probe] *ERROR* with firmware-linux-nonfree installed

2016-03-12 Thread Trond Arild Ydersbond
I have got this working on the same machine with Wheezy 7.6 and Knoppixes up to and including 7.6.1, but it seems that radeon_pci_probe refuses to recognize the installed firmware. Have tried different settings, but dmesg stille gives the same error. *ERROR* radeon kernel modesetting for R600 or

Fwd: E : unable to locate package

2016-03-12 Thread Udeesha Dilshan
I using Debian jessie 8.2.I use # DEBIAN # Debian Experimental deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian experimental main contrib # Debian Sid # CURRENT UNSTABLE deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian sid main

user in jail (vsftpd)

2016-03-12 Thread Abdelkader Belahcene
Hi, I want to put ftp user in jail ( with vsftpd) I configured as it is said in the doc, /etc/vsftpd.conf: chroot_local_user=YES but when I tried to access it refused completly for the user, here: Name (localhost:bela2): abdou Password: 500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside

Re: Extundelete

2016-03-12 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Tue, Feb 16, 2016 at 08:49:33AM -0500, Susan Cragin wrote: > Fooling around, lost "susan" folder. Want folder back. May have > recursively deleted everything in it. Want txt org and a couple other > extensions. (I've got days-old backup but want to try recovering > files.) So, extundelete

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Ron
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 12:46:08 + Lisi Reisz wrote: > And the Everything Free brigade is so pleasant to anyone who wants to use > binary blobs?? Because, it seems, for some people "Linux is about freedom of choice" means "you are free to accept MY choices, and no other". Cheers, Ron. --

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 14:00:00 +0100, jdd wrote: > Le 12/03/2016 13:22, Brian a écrit : > > >on the printer. AirPrint uses exactly the same printer as CUPS but > >the conversion done by brother_lpdwrapper_mfcj5720dw has to be on > >the printer in firmware. Then the RIP takes over. The RIP is not

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 12/03/2016 11:32 PM, deloptes wrote: > IMO it is not likely that one adds a spy software on such low cost device - > what for? If you want to print confidentail information - there are other > types of printers and setups you could do so. Well, it doesn't need to have it's own /spyware/

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread jdd
Le 12/03/2016 13:22, Brian a écrit : on the printer. AirPrint uses exactly the same printer as CUPS but the conversion done by brother_lpdwrapper_mfcj5720dw has to be on the printer in firmware. Then the RIP takes over. The RIP is not converting PDF to raster format. There is no PDF interpreter

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 12 March 2016 07:50:49 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > blobs. It reminds me of the poking at veget

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread deloptes
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off > this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of > fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary > blobs. It reminds me of the poking at vegetarians "now are snails > vegetable

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 Mar 2016 at 12:15:38 +0100, jdd wrote: > Le 12/03/2016 10:56, Brian a écrit : > > >The PDL of choice for AirPrint capable devices is PDF. A PDF document > > >The important word is "direct". The MFC-J5720DW doesn't have a PDF > >interpreter. Hence the silence. > > it have one for airp

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 12 March 2016 02:50:49 to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 05:02:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > [...] > > > Yup, that they do. They also cost around 35,000 USD to put it on > > YOUR > > Now you're exaggerating. No I am not. We (the tv station where I spent my last

Re: Android emulator

2016-03-12 Thread Rastko
Eclipse on Windows was something of a usable disaster, which I can't say for Android Studio, which is both a disk, CPU and memory hog. It apparently needs a lot of config to work. As far as emulator goes, I had to ditch the official emulator (rebranded QEMU), simply because I don't have hardware

Re: WPA supplicant configured with static IP inside /etc/network/interfaces invokes dhcpcd

2016-03-12 Thread Pascal Hambourg
supersonicsnow a écrit : > > *I expect that dhcpcd should not be involved at all with**my STATIC > wlan0, is that correct?* IIUC, not any more if you have dhcpcd5 (the only version available in the current stable Jessie). It is an autonomous daemon which detects when an interface is up and tries

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread jdd
Le 12/03/2016 10:56, Brian a écrit : The PDL of choice for AirPrint capable devices is PDF. A PDF document The important word is "direct". The MFC-J5720DW doesn't have a PDF interpreter. Hence the silence. it have one for airprint, but may be this one is only available for aiprint, not f

Re: WPA supplicant configured with static IP inside /etc/network/interfaces invokes dhcpcd

2016-03-12 Thread deloptes
supersonicsnow wrote: > *I expect that dhcpcd should not be involved at all with**my STATIC > wlan0, is that correct?* > 1. Can you please confirm this behavior is a bug. > 2. Do you know what package is responsible for the faulty behavior? My > best guess would be: ifupdown? you might have some

WPA supplicant configured with static IP inside /etc/network/interfaces invokes dhcpcd

2016-03-12 Thread supersonicsnow
When I try this: /etc/network/interfaces auto wlan0 allow-hotplug wlan0 iface wlan0 inet static address 192.168.0.123 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.0.1 dns-nameservers 8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4 *resolvconf makes 2 entries as expected inside the resolv.conf**file* nameserver 8.8.8.8 nameserver 8.8.

Re: iceweasel now firefox-esr?

2016-03-12 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Sat, 2016-03-12 at 10:11 +, Joe wrote: > After a routine upgrade (which did *not* raise a changelog notice), > any > menu entries which reference iceweasel are now broken, with the user > being left to fix them. I'd say that was a bug. There was a NEWS file, so should have been picked up by

Re: iceweasel now firefox-esr?

2016-03-12 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 12/03/16 10:13, Joe wrote: On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 21:04:52 +1100 Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 12/03/2016 4:37 PM, Dale Harris wrote: Huh, why is iceweasel installing firefox-esr now and not even putting in a sym. link from iceweasel to firefox? http://www.pcworld.com/article/3036509/linux/ice

Re: iceweasel now firefox-esr?

2016-03-12 Thread Joe
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 21:04:52 +1100 Andrew McGlashan wrote: > On 12/03/2016 4:37 PM, Dale Harris wrote: > > Huh, why is iceweasel installing firefox-esr now and not even > > putting in a sym. link from iceweasel to firefox? > > http://www.pcworld.com/article/3036509/linux/iceweasel-will-be-rena

Re: iceweasel now firefox-esr?

2016-03-12 Thread Joe
On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 08:44:43 +0100 Sven Arvidsson wrote: > On Sat, 2016-03-12 at 00:37 -0500, Dale Harris wrote: > > Huh, why is iceweasel installing firefox-esr now and not even > > putting in a sym. link from iceweasel to firefox? > > Iceweasel is no more, read the changelog.  > > If you th

Re: iceweasel now firefox-esr?

2016-03-12 Thread Andrew McGlashan
On 12/03/2016 4:37 PM, Dale Harris wrote: > Huh, why is iceweasel installing firefox-esr now and not even putting > in a sym. link from iceweasel to firefox? http://www.pcworld.com/article/3036509/linux/iceweasel-will-be-renamed-firefox-as-relations-between-debian-and-mozilla-thaw.html

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread Brian
On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 12:39:58 -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 11 Mar 2016 at 17:48:01 (+), Brian wrote: > > > > The AirPrint facility handles a PDF (it has to). > > I don't understand this statement. If a printer doesn't have a PS > interpreter (or emulation thereof), are you saying tha

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread jdd
Le 12/03/2016 08:50, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit : So. Now I'll bite off my tongue and take my ball with me. I'm off this thread. I can't bear the overall animosity and poking of fun at those who try to put some effort into avoiding binary blobs. no, not for me. there are two parts: having a har

Re: Does anyone know how to configure a Brother MFC-J5720DW with cups?

2016-03-12 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 05:02:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: [...] > Yup, that they do. They also cost around 35,000 USD to put it on YOUR Now you're exaggerating. We have an (oldish) Brother "laser" networked printer which was quite affordable a