Re: Xorg replaces TTY1

2015-12-01 Thread Felix Miata
Martin Str|mberg composed on 2015-12-02 07:39 (UTC+0100): > Chris Bannister wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 06:54:34PM +, Brian wrote: >> > There are still users (an example is in >> > this thread) who believe ctrl-alt-backspace no longer works in Debian. >> > It does. >> So it does! Wond

Re: Xorg replaces TTY1

2015-12-01 Thread Martin Str|mberg
In article Chris Bannister wrote: > On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 06:54:34PM +, Brian wrote: > > There are still users (an example is in > > this thread) who believe ctrl-alt-backspace no longer works in Debian. > > It does. > So it does! Wonder why it didn't work for me on another machine. :( I

(SOLVED) Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

2015-12-01 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 12/01/2015 02:05 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 16:39 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: "Now", as in Stretch and/or Sid? I searched in Jessie and failed to discover any available firmware-amd-graphics. Is another repo besides main and updates required? I booted same machine to Stretc

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-01 Thread Stuart Longland
On 01/12/15 11:56, John Hasler wrote: > Bob Bernstein writes: >> With that as background, here is my question/request: is anyone aware >> of a spirited defence of our ideal method of "selective quoting," (for >> lack of a better label) one, say, that perhaps has achieved the status >> of a "net cla

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-01 Thread James P. Wallen
On 12/01/2015 09:47 AM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Mon, 2015-11-30 at 21:04 -0500, Jape Person wrote: Make remote CUPS printers available locally Network Time Synchronization For several weeks I've been seeing this stop job notification for these two items frequently when rebooting or shutting

Re: Recent linux-image update broke CPU fan

2015-12-01 Thread Neal P. Murphy
On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 17:18:51 -0500 "Neal P. Murphy" wrote: > On Sun, 29 Nov 2015 14:35:15 +0100 > Sven Arvidsson wrote: > > > On Sun, 2015-11-29 at 02:16 -0500, Neal P. Murphy wrote: > > > I think the last linux-image update broke my CPU fan. OK, it didn't > > > actually break it. But since the

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

2015-12-01 Thread Felix Miata
Sven Arvidsson composed on 2015-12-01 23:05 (UTC+0100): > On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 16:39 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: >> "Now", as in Stretch and/or Sid? I searched in Jessie and failed to discover >> any available firmware-amd-graphics. Is another repo besides main and updates >> required? I booted sa

Re: Can't startx as normal user

2015-12-01 Thread Rodrigo S. Cañibano
On 1 December 2015 at 16:47, Sven Arvidsson wrote: > The NEWS entry should have been picked up by apt-listchanges: I must have missed it. Thanks!

Re: X using ~ 35% of a CPU core

2015-12-01 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 30 Nov 2015 21:47:43 +0100 Sven Arvidsson wrote: > On Mon, 2015-11-30 at 13:44 -0500, Celejar wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On my ThinkPad T61 (Core 2 Duo T7300 @ 2.00GHZ) running Debian stable > > (8.2) with Xfce, the X process (/usr/bin/X) has recently begun to > > consume some 35% (seems to

Re: Problems with Gmail IMAP on Icedove

2015-12-01 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 30 November 2015 23:06:06 Lisi Reisz wrote: > I have been trying to set up IMAP from two different accounts on Gmail in > Icedove: 31.8.0-1~deb7u1. I have tired changing the password in case I had > got it wrong, I have retyped everything several times, I have copied and > pasted, I have

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

2015-12-01 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 16:39 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > "Now", as in Stretch and/or Sid? I searched in Jessie and failed to > discover > any available firmware-amd-graphics. Is another repo besides main and > updates > required? I booted same machine to Stretch, and neither package was > found. > A

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

2015-12-01 Thread Felix Miata
Sven Arvidsson composed on 2015-12-01 18:15 (UTC+0100): > On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 12:01 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: >> Hmmm. My Cedar is working in Jessie, and there is no firmware-amd-graphics >> installed. Neither do aptitude search firmware-amd-graphics or aptitude >> search amd-graph return anyth

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-01 Thread Bob Bernstein
On Tue, 1 Dec 2015, anxious...@gmail.com wrote: If I bottom posted at work, no-one would ever discover my replies. I occasionally interleave if a point by point response seems sensible, or if the joke only works that way Word dat. -- Bob Bernstein

Re: Trying to remove "architecture i386"

2015-12-01 Thread Steve McIntyre
boudic...@skimble.plus.com wrote: >Ansgar Burchardt <"Ansgar Burchardt"@43-1.org> writes: >> >> Do you still have any i386 packages installed? I think running >> >> dpkg -l "*:i386" >> >> should list them (I don't use multiarch myself, but it works for the >> native architecture and "*:all"). >>

Re: Can't startx as normal user

2015-12-01 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Mon, 2015-11-30 at 19:20 -0300, Draco Metallium(Rodrigo S. Cañibano) wrote: > It could be that, since I don't have systemd, nor systemd-shim > installed (I just checked again). > > I had to install xserver-xorg-legacy, just as Harald Dunkel > suggested. > > Should't apt-get have warned me that

Re: L7 filter and iptables Problem

2015-12-01 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
Thanks i manage to do that with IPtable string and ipp2p although still in monitoring however i am seeing some good result. hopefully that will work. Thanks, Yousuf On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Roman wrote: > Hi, > > Even if it would be supported there is no much use of iptables l7 filters.

Re: Trying to remove "architecture i386"

2015-12-01 Thread Sharon Kimble
Sharon Kimble writes: > I am running a "amd64" version of jessie and in an effort to get > 'crossover_14.1.11-1.deb' installed, which is 32-bit. To do this I issued the > command - > > ╭ > │sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 > ╰ > > and then - > > ╭ > │dpkg --print-foreign-architecture

Re: Disable Ctrl-Alt-Del in Jessie [Solved]

2015-12-01 Thread Bit Head
Thanks, Martin. With that info, I was able to confirm that the link 'control-alt-del.target -> /dev/null' does disable C-A-D from a tty. And it took a bit to find it, but the behavior in KDE can be managed in: System Settings --> Shortcuts and Gestures --> Global Keyboard Shortcuts --> The KDE

Re: Trying to remove "architecture i386"

2015-12-01 Thread Sharon Kimble
Ansgar Burchardt <"Ansgar Burchardt"@43-1.org> writes: > Sharon Kimble writes: >> ╭ >> │sudo dpkg --remove-architecture i386 >> ╰ >> >> which failed saying - >> >> dpkg: error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the >> database >> >> How then can I remove 'i386' please

Re: L7 filter and iptables Problem

2015-12-01 Thread Roman
Hi, Even if it would be supported there is no much use of iptables l7 filters. They never worked as expected. Get yourself a small juniper srx :) 2015-12-01 19:51 GMT+02:00 Peter Ludikovsky : > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > According to to project site [0] there ha

Re: L7 filter and iptables Problem

2015-12-01 Thread Peter Ludikovsky
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi, According to to project site [0] there hasn't been any real development since 2013, which was a patch against the 2.6 kernel line. That kernel line is out of support since mid-2015. I'm afraid the string matching module would be your best bet for

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-01 Thread anxiousmac
On Tuesday, 1 December 2015 16:40:05 UTC, Bob Bernstein wrote: > On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, Chris Bannister wrote: > > >> "Please don't respond line by line. It is patronizing and > >> annoying." > > > What did he say when you asked what he meant by this? I mean, > > how on earth could it possibly be

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

2015-12-01 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Tue, 2015-12-01 at 12:01 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > Hmmm. My Cedar is working in Jessie, and there is no firmware-amd > -graphics > installed. Neither do aptitude search firmware-amd-graphics or > aptitude > search amd-graph return anything. firmware-linux-nonfree however is > installed. The A

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

2015-12-01 Thread Felix Miata
Felix Miata composed on 2015-12-01 11:50 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata composed on 2015-12-01 11:25 (UTC-0500): >> Marc Shapiro composed on 2015-12-01 07:15 (UTC-0800): >>> I will install firmware-amd-graphics as soon as I get a chance >> firmware-linux-nonfree is what worked on Jessie for my Ced

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

2015-12-01 Thread Felix Miata
Felix Miata composed on 2015-12-01 11:25 (UTC-0500): > Marc Shapiro composed on 2015-12-01 07:15 (UTC-0800): >> I will install firmware-amd-graphics as soon as I get a chance > firmware-linux-nonfree is what worked on Jessie for my Cedar and for Mart. Oops. Retract. I failed conscious notice

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-01 Thread Bob Bernstein
On Wed, 2 Dec 2015, Chris Bannister wrote: "Please don't respond line by line. It is patronizing and annoying." What did he say when you asked what he meant by this? I mean, how on earth could it possibly be patronising? I haven't asked him yet, in the interest of not muddying still waters

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

2015-12-01 Thread Felix Miata
Marc Shapiro composed on 2015-12-01 07:15 (UTC-0800): > I will install firmware-amd-graphics as soon as I get a chance firmware-linux-nonfree is what worked on Jessie for my Cedar and for Mart. > (probably this evening) and report back. Meanwhile, Felix says that he > never received my post

Re: Debian Wheezy boot messages

2015-12-01 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2015-12-01, Brian wrote: > On Tue 01 Dec 2015 at 12:33:23 +, Liam O'Toole wrote: > >> On 2015-11-30, Klaus Jantzen wrote: >> > Hallo, >> > >> > where are the messages stored that Debain produces during booting (checking >> > of various components, startup of e.g. postgresql, messages issue

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

2015-12-01 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 12/01/2015 07:03 AM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Mon, 2015-11-30 at 23:11 -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote: In Wheezy, the graphics card seems to have been found and a depth of 24bpp is being used by RADEON(0) with a GB of graphics memory, while in Jessie, Screen 0 is getting deleted and the radeon mod

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

2015-12-01 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Mon, 2015-11-30 at 23:11 -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote: > In Wheezy, the graphics card seems to have been found and a depth of > 24bpp is being used by RADEON(0) with a GB of graphics memory, while > in > Jessie, Screen 0 is getting deleted and the radeon module is removed. > > Instead of RADEO

Re: Trying to remove "architecture i386"

2015-12-01 Thread Martin Read
On 01/12/15 08:47, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: Do you still have any i386 packages installed? I think running dpkg -l "*:i386" should list them (I don't use multiarch myself, but it works for the native architecture and "*:all"). I can confirm on my multiarch system that the command you sugges

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

2015-12-01 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 12/01/2015 04:15 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 05:10:33PM -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote: On 11/30/2015 04:45 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote: Marc Shapiro wrote: On 11/30/2015 04:01 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote: - Boot a Live image and see what resolution it gives you. I can still boot i

Re: A stop job is running for...

2015-12-01 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Mon, 2015-11-30 at 21:04 -0500, Jape Person wrote: > Make remote CUPS printers available locally > Network Time Synchronization > > For several weeks I've been seeing this stop job notification for > these > two items frequently when rebooting or shutting down two of my four > testing systems

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-01 Thread Bob Bernstein
On Tue, 1 Dec 2015, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 01 December 2015 08:54:27 Mart van de Wege wrote: Why not do your correspondents the courtesy of replying in the style *they* want? That's fine, so long as you are not required to reply. And so long as you don't want the discussion to remai

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-01 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 08:31:29PM -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > "Please don't respond line by line. It is patronizing and > annoying." What did he say when you asked what he meant by this? I mean, how on earth could it possibly be patronising? I'm guessing your nephew isn't subscribed to any

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-01 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 09:27:02PM -0500, Neal P. Murphy wrote: > I'll top-post here because I am replying to the entire message (quoted below). Sorry to be picky, but there was nothing in the text to which you directly replied to. I think personal correspondence is completely different to posti

Re: Debian Wheezy boot messages

2015-12-01 Thread Brian
On Tue 01 Dec 2015 at 12:33:23 +, Liam O'Toole wrote: > On 2015-11-30, Klaus Jantzen wrote: > > Hallo, > > > > where are the messages stored that Debain produces during booting (checking > > of various components, startup of e.g. postgresql, messages issued by > > /udev, > > error messages in

Re: Debian Wheezy boot messages

2015-12-01 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2015-11-30, Klaus Jantzen wrote: > Hallo, > > where are the messages stored that Debain produces during booting (checking > of various components, startup of e.g. postgresql, messages issued by > /udev, > error messages in case a routine could not be started, etc). > > I looked in /var/log thro

Re: Problems with Gmail IMAP on Icedove

2015-12-01 Thread Liam O'Toole
On 2015-11-30, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I have been trying to set up IMAP from two different accounts on Gmail in > Icedove: 31.8.0-1~deb7u1. I have tired changing the password in case I had > got it wrong, I have retyped everything several times, I have copied and > pasted, I have crawled up the w

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

2015-12-01 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 05:10:33PM -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote: > On 11/30/2015 04:45 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote: > >Marc Shapiro wrote: > > > >>On 11/30/2015 04:01 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote: > >>>- Boot a Live image and see what resolution it gives you. > >>I can still boot into Wheezy and get 1920x1080. > >

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-01 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 01 December 2015 08:54:27 Mart van de Wege wrote: > Bob Bernstein writes: > > "Please don't respond line by line. It is patronizing and > > annoying." > > > > I have acquired over the years a habit of carefully quoting and > > replying to those quoted snippets. But it rubs some in my fa

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

2015-12-01 Thread Mart van de Wege
Felix Miata writes: > Another possibility is that Jessie provides firmware your ATI gfxcard > requires in a separate firmware package that is not installed, or > maybe the ATI driver package didn't get installed at all. I manage a bunch of workstations with exactly this issue. I had to install f

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-01 Thread Mart van de Wege
Bob Bernstein writes: > "Please don't respond line by line. It is patronizing and > annoying." > > I have acquired over the years a habit of carefully quoting and > replying to those quoted snippets. But it rubs some in my family the > wrong way. They don't see it as part and parcel of effective

Re: Trying to remove "architecture i386"

2015-12-01 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Sharon Kimble writes: > ╭ > │sudo dpkg --remove-architecture i386 > ╰ > > which failed saying - > > dpkg: error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the > database > > How then can I remove 'i386' please, or should I just cut my losses and > reinstall? Do you still hav

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

2015-12-01 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 11/30/2015 11:32 PM, Felix Miata wrote: Marc Shapiro composed on 2015-11-30 23:11 (UTC-0800): Alright. Knowing nothing about the inner workings of X, I can at least look through the two log files (in my previous post) and see where they suddenly go in very different directions. Using the nu

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

2015-12-01 Thread Nicolas George
Le decadi 10 frimaire, an CCXXIV, Bob Bernstein a écrit : > With that as background, here is my question/request: is anyone aware of a > spirited defence of our ideal method of "selective quoting," (for lack of a > better label) one, say, that perhaps has achieved the status of a "net > classic?" S