Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-10 Thread B. M.
Le 11 déc. 2014 à 05:10, The Wanderer a écrit : > On 12/10/2014 at 03:55 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > >> B. M. wrote: >> >>> Bob Proulx a écrit : > >>> Thanks for the clarification, but in general I think I know how >>> Debian works. My question was more that I don't see why Debian >>> should use 4

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Bret Busby
On 11/12/2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Thursday 11 December 2014 06:17:39 Bret Busby wrote: >> And, with all of the definitions and contentions that people have, is >> a gateway/firewall server, as a single point of access to the >> Internet, and, also, as a separate device, a modem/router, that al

VPN IPSec (Cisco vpnc)

2014-12-10 Thread Hajder Rabiee
Hi Trying to connect to VPN at work but keep getting: "vpnc: no response from target". I have created my vpn.conf in /etc/vpnc/myconf.conf and also added Local Port 1 as I've read some posts that the particular error message might have to do with a block in the firewall. Comparing with OSX -

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Bret Busby
On 11/12/2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 10 December 2014 19:39:41 Paul E Condon wrote: >> 2. 'Multi-seat' is several seats, which could only imply several persons >>occupying those (several) seats. > > Yes, and all connected to a single somputer, but with two or more keyboards, > > mon

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 10 December 2014 18:08:00 Martin Read wrote: > On 10/12/14 13:26, Marty wrote: > > On 12/08/2014 09:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote: > >>> I would even deign to > >>> give users a choice in the matter, > >> > >> [snip] > >> > >>> Multi-sea

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Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 11 December 2014 06:17:39 Bret Busby wrote: > And, with all of the definitions and contentions that people have, is > a gateway/firewall server, as a single point of access to the > Internet, and, also, as a separate device, a modem/router, that allows > four connections from behind it,

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Bret Busby
On 11/12/2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 10 December 2014 19:39:41 Paul E Condon wrote: >> 2. 'Multi-seat' is several seats, which could only imply several persons >>occupying those (several) seats. > > Yes, and all connected to a single somputer, but with two or more keyboards, > > mon

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/10/2014 at 03:55 PM, Bob Proulx wrote: > B. M. wrote: > >> Bob Proulx a écrit : >> Thanks for the clarification, but in general I think I know how >> Debian works. My question was more that I don't see why Debian >> should use 4.14.2 or even 4.14.1 if upstream released 4.14.3 as >> the las

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Marty
On 12/10/2014 10:16 PM, Marc Shapiro wrote: On 12/10/2014 02:42 PM, Joe wrote: Proof of Concept. A bit short of a prototype. There are two different concepts here, almost no home *workstation* will be used truly multi-seat i.e. with more than one person connected simultaneously to it. A home co

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/10/2014 at 03:34 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 10 dec 14, 13:27:21, Paul E Condon wrote: > >> What is 'PoC'? Probably will be blindly obvious once I've been >> told. > > Most likely "Proof of Concept". > > Wikipedia's disambiguation pages have generally been quite helpful > for me in

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 12/10/2014 02:42 PM, Joe wrote: Proof of Concept. A bit short of a prototype. There are two different concepts here, almost no home *workstation* will be used truly multi-seat i.e. with more than one person connected simultaneously to it. A home computer may have multiple users, but generally

Re: how do I locate all the pictures on an Android phone?

2014-12-10 Thread David Christensen
On 12/10/2014 03:05 PM, Gary Dale wrote: I'm running Jessie on an AMD64 system. Last night I took some pictures and tried my usual method of downloading - I plugged in the phone through USB and selecting File Manager when the notification window popped up. Navigating to /store_00010001/DCIM/Camer

Re: automation of xrandr.

2014-12-10 Thread peter
From: Brian Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 18:55:59 + > I'd be thinking in terms of putting the command in a ~/.xsessionrc. In one system that works with no problems. peter@dalton:~$ cat .xsessionrc xrandr --output VGA-0 --mode 1280x960 --rate 85.0 xrandr --output DVI-0 --auto --right-of

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread Marty
On 12/10/2014 01:08 PM, Martin Read wrote: On 10/12/14 13:26, Marty wrote: On 12/08/2014 09:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote: I would even deign to give users a choice in the matter, [snip] Multi-seat PC and other anachronisms probably have to go away

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Brian
On Wed 10 Dec 2014 at 13:30:22 -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > Brian wrote: > > Ever since Wheezy automatic fsck has been disabled on new installs. For > > the vast majority of users this passed unnoticed and for at least two > > years most new users have never seen an enforced fsck at boot. During > >

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Martin Read
On 10/12/14 22:42, Joe wrote: Unix gained a lot by being networked and multi-user right from the start. Multi-user, yes. Networked? Nope - and if you look closely, it shows. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact lis

how do I locate all the pictures on an Android phone?

2014-12-10 Thread Gary Dale
I'm running Jessie on an AMD64 system. Last night I took some pictures and tried my usual method of downloading - I plugged in the phone through USB and selecting File Manager when the notification window popped up. Navigating to /store_00010001/DCIM/Camera, I found a lot of pictures but not t

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-10 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 09 dec 14, 18:48:54, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > What patterns did you see? > > > > What claims did I make? What a lot of Debian server admins think of > > systemd? A rhetorical statement. A lot of Debian server admins > > don't like syste

RE: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Larry Owens
-Original Message- From: Lisi Reisz [mailto:lisi.re...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:52 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: How is typical home computer used today? On Wednesday 10 December 2014 19:39:41 Paul E Condon wrote: > 2. 'Multi-seat' is several se

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 10 December 2014 19:39:41 Paul E Condon wrote: > 2. 'Multi-seat' is several seats, which could only imply several persons >    occupying those (several) seats. Yes, and all connected to a single somputer, but with two or more keyboards, monitors etc., logged in simultaneously. Becom

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Joe
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:39:41 -0700 Paul E Condon wrote: > On 20141208_1214-0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > > In a thread titled "Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?" > > berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > [https://lists.debian.org/3d6a00a1c8bddc88b517b4e19cc68...@neutralite.org]> > > > > > > >

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20141210_1830+, Brian wrote: > On Wed 10 Dec 2014 at 19:23:07 +0300, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: > > > On 10/12/2014 14:04, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > >Of course, there's also the option of completely disabling automatic > > >fsck (there are several ways to do this), as I understan

Re: Testing needed for xorg-server security update

2014-12-10 Thread AreYouLoco?
I don't know if my system was proper one to make tests but... Wow that was pain in the ass to go thru all of this X configuration (again..:P) So. The steps I made. I wanted to test this on my hardware. I've installed all the packages for my arch (i386) but then it broke my X. So I only left this o

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Jape Person
On 12/10/2014 01:40 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 10 dec 14, 11:36:35, Jape Person wrote: Using fsck.mode=force on the linux command line works fine for the purpose of forcing a file system check at home, but I don't see a practical way to use it on the remote systems. Do I really have to wa

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread Bret Busby
On 08/12/2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote: >> I would even deign to >> give users a choice in the matter, > [snip] >> Multi-seat PC and other >> anachronisms probably have to go away. > > Choice??? > > Lisi > > Ah, yes choice. As "Multi-seat PC"

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Proulx
B. M. wrote: > Bob Proulx a écrit : > > B. M. wrote: > >> I'm using Debian since about a year now, so this is my first freeze :-) > > > > When you say "using Debian" that is not sufficient to really describe > > what you are doing. I use Debian Stable on production servers. I > > also run Debian

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Brian wrote: > Ever since Wheezy automatic fsck has been disabled on new installs. For > the vast majority of users this passed unnoticed and for at least two > years most new users have never seen an enforced fsck at boot. During > the same amount of time there has not been a single report of any

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 13:27:21, Paul E Condon wrote: > > What is 'PoC'? Probably will be blindly obvious once I've been told. Most likely "Proof of Concept". Wikipedia's disambiguation pages have generally been quite helpful for me in figuring out this kind of stuff. Kind regards, Andrei -- http:

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread Frank
On 10/12/14 03:27 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20141208_1643+0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit : I almost tagged this off-topic but it's directed toward ordinary Debian users (with developer backgrounds). I first raised this on modular-debian but I

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20141208_1643+0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit : > >I almost tagged this off-topic but it's directed toward ordinary Debian > >users (with developer backgrounds). I first raised this on > >modular-debian but I want to get some ideas from a wid

Re: LVM RAID5 with missing disk?

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Bob Proulx a écrit : > > Do you have any articles or blogs or postings you have written that > > would summarize raid alternatives? I would enjoy reading whatever you > > have written on the subject. Or if you recommended other references. > > There is no need to write a

Re: How to guess how to add the key of a repo (GPG, apt-key add,...)

2014-12-10 Thread Jochen Spieker
Mihamina Rakotomandimby: > On 12/10/2014 02:19 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> https://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#How_to_find_and_add_a_key … > - the page you told me has the "gpg" invocation, but how to guess > "--keyserver" and "--recv-keys" parameters value? The only real answer to your questio

Re: Problems with init scripts at boot after upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Bernhard Frühmesser wrote: > First the service xdm is now started long before other services (like dhcp, > clamd, dansguardian...) are started. > Before the upgrade xdm was the last service that was started which was ok. Sounds like you are now using the parallel boot whereas before it was the ser

Re: How is typical home computer used today?

2014-12-10 Thread Paul E Condon
On 20141208_1214-0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > In a thread titled "Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?" > berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > [https://lists.debian.org/3d6a00a1c8bddc88b517b4e19cc68...@neutralite.org]> > > > > >Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit : > >>[SNIP] > >>Multi-seat PC and o

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Brian
On Wed 10 Dec 2014 at 08:53:08 +0300, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: > On 09/12/2014 22:11, Brian wrote: > > > >GRUB can be told about an upcoming fsck and display a message inviting > >you to choose to do it or not. So you get to know about it in advance; > >which presumably you didn't know befo

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-10 Thread B. M.
Le 9 déc. 2014 à 18:48, Bob Proulx a écrit : > B. M. wrote: >> I'm using Debian since about a year now, so this is my first freeze :-) > > When you say "using Debian" that is not sufficient to really describe > what you are doing. I use Debian Stable on production servers. I > also run Debian

Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE

2014-12-10 Thread B. M.
Le 9 déc. 2014 à 23:49, Liam O'Toole a écrit : > On 2014-12-09, B. M. wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm using Debian since about a year now, so this is my first freeze >> :-) >> >> How does the freeze work in regard to KDE: currently, many packages >> are at 4.14.2, PIM is at 4.14.1 and the latest 4

Re: [minor bitch] about the panel (taskbar) LXDE

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 13:57:01, Harry Putnam wrote: > Andrei POPESCU writes: > > > So far every application *except xterm* I have tried has the same icon > > in the top left corner of its window as well as the taskbar. I tried GTK > > as well as Qt applications. To me this seems to indicate a bug i

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 10:39:21, The Wanderer wrote: > > At a glance, however, both of those look like they still require a USB > connection... and my (APC) UPS doesn't seem to have a USB port. It does > have a network port, so I imagine that maybe I could get things working > with a network cable to t

Re: [minor bitch] about the panel (taskbar) LXDE

2014-12-10 Thread Harry Putnam
Tixy writes: > On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 07:25 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: >> Tixy writes: >> > A (possibly wild) speculation is there's some race condition where the >> > task bar button gets created before the application sets it's icon and >> > then doesn't get notice or act on the change. > > As

Re: [minor bitch] about the panel (taskbar) LXDE

2014-12-10 Thread Harry Putnam
Hugo Vanwoerkom writes: > Harry Putnam wrote: >> Running jessie >> Using an lxde desktop... for a long time now >> >> (Note: for lack of a fuller vocabulary, the word icon is used to cover >> a few different things below:) >> >> (Attached at bottom is a screen grab showing what I'm talking ab

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 11:36:35, Jape Person wrote: > > Using fsck.mode=force on the linux command line works fine for the purpose > of forcing a file system check at home, but I don't see a practical way to > use it on the remote systems. Do I really have to walk each of them through > editing of the

Re: [minor bitch] about the panel (taskbar) LXDE

2014-12-10 Thread Harry Putnam
Andrei POPESCU writes: > So far every application *except xterm* I have tried has the same icon > in the top left corner of its window as well as the taskbar. I tried GTK > as well as Qt applications. To me this seems to indicate a bug in xterm > rather than lxpanel. I maybe mis-interpreting

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/10/2014 12:55 PM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: On 10/12/2014 20:32, Ric Moore wrote: On 12/10/2014 12:53 AM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: All this just because you won't admit that It's gotten to the point that wholesale deleting of this topic is in order. :/ Ric Yes, that, earp

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Brian
On Wed 10 Dec 2014 at 19:23:07 +0300, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: > On 10/12/2014 14:04, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > >Of course, there's also the option of completely disabling automatic > >fsck (there are several ways to do this), as I understand is the default > >for new enough filesystems.

Re: Problems with init scripts at boot after upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 16:19:12, Bernhard Frühmesser wrote: > Hi, > > After upgrading from Sqeeze to Wheezy i have two problems with starting up > services while booting. > > First the service xdm is now started long before other services (like dhcp, > clamd, dansguardian...) are started. And why is

Re: How to guess how to add the key of a repo (GPG, apt-key add,...)

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 20:20:42, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > > - the key ofhttp://open.iabsis.com/debian/ is not part of > debian-archive-keyring or debian-keyring, it's a 3rd party repo. Of course, I wasn't implying it is. > - I gave http://open.iabsis.com/debian/ as an example, but you can

Re: Purpose of fsck at boot (was: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?)

2014-12-10 Thread Bob McGowan
On 12/10/14, 3:41 AM, "Frédéric Marchal" wrote: >Le Wednesday 10 December 2014 11:10:52, Frédéric Marchal a écrit : >> Le Wednesday 10 December 2014 09:49:51, Gian Uberto Lauri a écrit : >> > You run fsck on power up because the 'system does not remember' if it >> > was shut-off cleanly or not. I

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com
On 10/12/2014 20:32, Ric Moore wrote: On 12/10/2014 12:53 AM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: All this just because you won't admit that It's gotten to the point that wholesale deleting of this topic is in order. :/ Ric Yes, that, earplugs and blindfold, makes for quiet days. Sorry but I di

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread Martin Read
On 10/12/14 13:26, Marty wrote: On 12/08/2014 09:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote: I would even deign to give users a choice in the matter, [snip] Multi-seat PC and other anachronisms probably have to go away. Choice??? Lisi The industry and its p

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Kushal Kumaran
The Wanderer writes: > On 12/10/2014 at 10:12 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 09:42:43AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: >> >>> On 12/10/2014 at 06:10 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > That would be easy to implement, assuming you computer "knows" it's running on batteries. >

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/10/2014 12:53 AM, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: All this just because you won't admit that It's gotten to the point that wholesale deleting of this topic is in order. :/ Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Great Sins in the world... ..the Sin of Ignorance,

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread Ric Moore
On 12/08/2014 10:43 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: About anachronism... you should read about what is the minitel*, and then, consider thinking about how most people uses their computers ;) *: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel Anyone remember GTE Telemail?? :) Ric -- My father

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread Rusi Mody
On Wednesday, December 10, 2014 10:10:05 PM UTC+5:30, Marty wrote: > On 12/08/2014 09:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote: > >> I would even deign to > >> give users a choice in the matter, > > [snip] > >> Multi-seat PC and other > >> anachronisms probably

Re: How to guess how to add the key of a repo (GPG, apt-key add,...)

2014-12-10 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby
On 12/10/2014 02:19 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 10 dec 14, 10:22:28, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: Hi all I have to use a repo: http://open.iabsis.com/debian/ When adding it in my sources, apt complains about not having GPG key about it. Would you know how to guess the gpg invocation (se

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Jape Person
On 12/10/2014 10:14 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: In my not so humble opinion, one should be using such a switch to re-examine one's setup, practices, etc. You might discover some "interesting" stuff. As far as I'm concerned: 1. I'll be looking into disabling periodic checks on all my ext4 partition

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Christian Groessler
On 12/10/14 14:10, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: Christian Groessler writes: > To get the machine to boot again, I had to enter the BIOS, disable the > network card there, Hmmm... you could have tried with a single user mode bootstrap, that could have avoided you going to the BIOS. That was i

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com
Hello, replying inline On 10/12/2014 14:04, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 10 dec 14, 08:53:08, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: All this just because you won't admit that systemd took away a feature, and that it is systemd's business to bring it back. Mmm, I'll have to chime in here. The fact

Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus?

2014-12-10 Thread Marty
On 12/08/2014 09:12 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 13:18:18 Marty wrote: I would even deign to give users a choice in the matter, [snip] Multi-seat PC and other anachronisms probably have to go away. Choice??? Lisi The industry and its plans for FOSS is strongly anti-ch

RE: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Bonno Bloksma
Hi Rick, >> Actually, THAT is the very reason we ask for the option to be able to cancel >> a running fsck. You can never predict >> EVERY situation when fsck would be run but needed to be avoided. >> Maybe I asked a non tech to simply turn on the machine, how technical does >> one need to be to

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/10/2014 at 10:14 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 10 dec 14, 09:29:17, The Wanderer wrote: > >> For such a user, this is not a systemd-centric question; it is a >> Debian-centric one, and the responsibility of having caused it and >> for fixing it is on Debian. Debian chose to switch to s

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/10/2014 at 10:12 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 09:42:43AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 12/10/2014 at 06:10 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: >>> That would be easy to implement, assuming you computer "knows" >>> it's running on batteries. >> >> On batteries is easy enoug

Re: Installing a bootloader on a Mac Mini without OSX

2014-12-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> > I've tried the i386 install (v7.7) CD multiple times and I've tried having >> > it put GRUB on the MBR and on the partition and neither way resulted >> > in a bootable install. >> I think this can be made to work with a bit of twiddling (e.g. using >> lilo or grub-legacy, or maybe tweaking of

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> I want to get back to the root of the problem and claim, that I want >> to be able to interrupt *any* startup command, not just fsck. > The debug shell could be (part of) the answer, You mean, they're probably going to answer by pointing us to the debug shell? Yes, probably. But it's again ju

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 09:42:43, The Wanderer wrote: > > Both of those latter situations are similarly time-limited, and even if > there are heuristic solutions for the others, the last at least will > generally not be something the computer can detect and identify. As said in my other message: 1. di

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I want to get back to the root of the problem and claim, that I want > to be able to interrupt *any* startup command, not just fsck. Oh, yes, me too! ! Systemd's boot seems to suffer a lot more from such problems. E.g. it waits for a long time before timeout if one of the partitions in /etc/f

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 09:29:17, The Wanderer wrote: > > For such a user, this is not a systemd-centric question; it is a > Debian-centric one, and the responsibility of having caused it and for > fixing it is on Debian. Debian chose to switch to systemd, and that > switch introduced this bug; it is th

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 09:42:43AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > On 12/10/2014 at 06:10 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Mi, 10 dec 14, 07:32:07, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > >> In my case no, more likely during shut-down, since the only time I > >> shut down my box is when there is a power cut,

Problems with init scripts at boot after upgrade from Squeeze to Wheezy

2014-12-10 Thread Bernhard Frühmesser
Hi, After upgrading from Sqeeze to Wheezy i have two problems with starting up services while booting. First the service xdm is now started long before other services (like dhcp, clamd, dansguardian...) are started. Before the upgrade xdm was the last service that was started which was ok.

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> Actually, it's *always* a surprise. These fsck happen at long enough >> intervals, that I can never know if it was "4 months ago" or "7 months >> ago", and neither can I remember which laptop/desktop has the delay set >> to 172 days vs 194 days vs 98 days vs ... > Can't you write a small script

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/10/2014 at 06:10 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 10 dec 14, 07:32:07, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > >> In my case no, more likely during shut-down, since the only time I >> shut down my box is when there is a power cut, and I have to shut >> it down quickly, before the UPS gives up. So I certa

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread The Wanderer
On 12/10/2014 at 06:04 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 10 dec 14, 08:53:08, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: > >> All this just because you won't admit that systemd took away a >> feature, and that it is systemd's business to bring it back. > > Mmm, I'll have to chime in here. The fact is, sys

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Brian
On Wed 10 Dec 2014 at 13:26:57 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 10 dec 14, 13:04:16, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > Of course, there's also the option of completely disabling automatic > > fsck (there are several ways to do this), as I understand is the default > > for new enough filesystem

Re: [minor bitch] about the panel (taskbar) LXDE

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 08:04:00, Tixy wrote: > > I started getting the same problem at a similar time with Jessie LXDE. > Do your applications have the correct icons in the top left of their > windows still? Mine does, it's just the taskbar which is wrong. > > A (possibly wild) speculation is there's

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 13:41:51, Christian Groessler wrote: > > I want to get back to the root of the problem and claim, that I want to be > able to interrupt *any* startup > command, not just fsck. The debug shell could be (part of) the answer, but beware of the security risks. See /usr/share/doc/sy

Re: C++ compiler g++-4.9

2014-12-10 Thread Maximiliano Curia
On 12/10/2014 01:23 PM, Nick Mpallas wrote: > I am building a platform and I need to compile apache mesos from sources. The > issue is that the guys the require support for specific c++11 features that in > the 4.7 compiler currently supported by debian aren't there. Will the g++ > compiler will be

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Christian Groessler writes: > To get the machine to boot again, I had to enter the BIOS, disable the > network card there, Hmmm... you could have tried with a single user mode bootstrap, that could have avoided you going to the BIOS. > Quite a dance instead of just typing "^C" ^C could

Re: C++ compiler g++-4.9

2014-12-10 Thread Kumar Appaiah
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 01:23:31PM +0100, Nick Mpallas wrote: >Hi guys, >I am building a platform and I need to compile apache mesos from sources. >The issue is that the guys the require support for specific c++11 features >that in the 4.7 compiler currently supported by debian aren

Re: C++ compiler g++-4.9

2014-12-10 Thread Florent Peterschmitt
Le 2014-12-10 13:23, Nick Mpallas a écrit : > Hi guys, > I am building a platform and I need to compile apache mesos from sources. The > issue is that the guys the require support for specific c++11 features that > in the 4.7 compiler currently supported by debian aren't there. Will the g++

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Christian Groessler
It seems the discussion revolves around methods to disable an automatic fsck when it is not wanted. It went away from an obvious solution (^C a running fsck) and suggests compilcated and/or convoluted workarounds, which have to be implemented or enabled proactively. I want to get back to the

Re: [minor bitch] about the panel (taskbar) LXDE

2014-12-10 Thread Tixy
On Wed, 2014-12-10 at 07:25 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: > Tixy writes: > > A (possibly wild) speculation is there's some race condition where the > > task bar button gets created before the application sets it's icon and > > then doesn't get notice or act on the change. As an experiment I removed

RE: unable to install librecad in wheezy amd64

2014-12-10 Thread Tad Bak
Andrei POPESCU wrote: >On Mi, 10 dec 14, 00:51:16, Tad Bak wrote: >> Hi, >> >> The subject says all: after issuing the command: >> >> apt-get install librecad >> [...] > > Works here (i386). Did you 'apt-get update' recently? > > Kind regards, > Andrei Yes, just earlier today there were a couple o

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 09 Dec 2014, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Wed, 10 Dec 2014, Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 09:48:58AM +0100, Frédéric Marchal wrote: > > > Now, is it possible to run fsck during shutdown? Users have been asking > > > for > > > this for at least 10 years. Is

Re: [minor bitch] about the panel (taskbar) LXDE

2014-12-10 Thread Harry Putnam
Andrei POPESCU writes: [...] Hugo Vanwoerkom writes: [...] Tixy writes: [...] Whoops, forgot the promised screen grab:

Re: [minor bitch] about the panel (taskbar) LXDE

2014-12-10 Thread Harry Putnam
Andrei POPESCU writes: > On Ma, 09 dec 14, 11:05:23, Harry Putnam wrote: >> >> Further, some indicators still show the regular icon. One I notice is >> iceweasel. >> >> I'd like the old behavior back but have no idea how to start digging >> into it. > > I'm guessing the icon is set by the app

C++ compiler g++-4.9

2014-12-10 Thread Nick Mpallas
Hi guys, I am building a platform and I need to compile apache mesos from sources. The issue is that the guys the require support for specific c++11 features that in the 4.7 compiler currently supported by debian aren't there. Will the g++ compiler will be updated?We would like to use debian as the

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 10 dec 14, 07:32:07, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > In my case no, more likely during shut-down, since the only time I > > shut down my box is when there is a power cut, and I have to shut it > > down quickly, before the UPS gives up. So I certainly

Purpose of fsck at boot (was: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?)

2014-12-10 Thread Frédéric Marchal
Le Wednesday 10 December 2014 11:10:52, Frédéric Marchal a écrit : > Le Wednesday 10 December 2014 09:49:51, Gian Uberto Lauri a écrit : > > You run fsck on power up because the 'system does not remember' if it > > was shut-off cleanly or not. If the disks are clean and the last check > > is not to

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 13:04:16, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > Of course, there's also the option of completely disabling automatic > fsck (there are several ways to do this), as I understand is the default > for new enough filesystems. This would make more sense for me on systems > with bad power (you'

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI writes: > On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:49:51 +0100 > "Gian Uberto Lauri" wrote: > > > fsck may take time. Relax, it needs that time. > > What if I do not have that time, Find it (this includes planning - of infrastructure and procedures if required). No other choices. Le

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Gian Uberto Lauri
Frédéric Marchal writes: > > Usually on shutdown you run sync that flushes the cache to the disk, > > cleanly preparing the disk for unmounting. The mount command should > > 'run' sync automatically when unmounting. > > > > You run fsck on power up because the 'system does not remember' if it

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 07:32:07, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > In my case no, more likely during shut-down, since the only time I > shut down my box is when there is a power cut, and I have to shut it > down quickly, before the UPS gives up. So I certainly do not want an > unwanted automatic fsck at tha

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 08:53:08, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: > All this just because you > won't admit that systemd took away a feature, and that it is systemd's > business to bring it back. Mmm, I'll have to chime in here. The fact is, systemd never implemented this feature, while your statement

Re: How to guess how to add the key of a repo (GPG, apt-key add,...)

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 10:22:28, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: > Hi all > > I have to use a repo: http://open.iabsis.com/debian/ > When adding it in my sources, apt complains about not having GPG key about > it. > Would you know how to guess the gpg invocation (server, key,...) in order to > import it

Re: unable to install librecad in wheezy amd64

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 00:51:16, Tad Bak wrote: > Hi, > > The subject says all: after issuing the command: > > apt-get install librecad > > I am getting: > [...] > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > librecad : Depends: libqt4-help (>= 4:4.5.3) but it is not going to be > installed >

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Ron
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:49:51 +0100 "Gian Uberto Lauri" wrote: > fsck may take time. Relax, it needs that time. What if I do not have that time, and an un-interruptible fsck is launched automatically ? This regression must be got rid of. Cheers, Ron. -- Progress in

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-10 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 09 dec 14, 18:48:54, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > What patterns did you see? > > What claims did I make? What a lot of Debian server admins think of > systemd? A rhetorical statement. A lot of Debian server admins > don't like systemd to put it mildly. They said so -- explicitly -- with >

Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?

2014-12-10 Thread Ron
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 09:07:52 +0100 Frédéric Marchal wrote: > > In the case of regularly failing power it would probably be more often > > inconvenient to run fsck at shutdown. > Power failures are as likely to occur during boot, don't they? In my case no, more likely during shut-down, since t

Re: Testing needed for xorg-server security update

2014-12-10 Thread Jörg-Volker Peetz
At second glance, I noticed these packages are for Wheezy/stable. So the experimental archive is not appropriate for these packages. These fixes seem to be not included in the sid packages yet? -- Regards, jvp. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

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