Re: XDG Standard is not evil (was: Re: Why focus on systemd?)

2014-11-26 Thread seeker5528
On 11/26/2014 6:04 PM, Serge wrote: Those XDG standards were created by "X Desktop Group" only to define unified directories for COMMON files of multiple X desktop environments, not for some rogue applications to hide their own private files. Each of files placed in those directories is exten

Re: Migrating GTK+ project to windows

2014-11-26 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:02 AM, "Morel Bérenger" < berenger.mo...@neutralite.org> wrote: > Le Mar 18 novembre 2014 16:51, Kevin O'Gorman a écrit : > > I have a project that I'd like to migrate to Windows. I'll likely be > > using Windows 8.1. > > GTK+ is portable, or at least that what was said

Re: ALSA - Multiple Sources...?

2014-11-26 Thread Joel Roth
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 05:55:24PM -0500, ho...@rumormillnews.com wrote: > For years, ALSA has allowed me to have two apps open at one time - for > example, a YouTube video could be playing in my browser while vlc was also > open, paused on playback of a 3-hour mp3. > > That's changed with a recen

Re: Partitioning gpt disk

2014-11-26 Thread David Christensen
On 11/25/2014 09:53 PM, Rusi Mody wrote: Trying to setup linux on lenovo laptop. ... Clearly its the windows (C:) that needs to be shrunk for the linux. I hate dual boot. Consider: 1. Virtualization, if you can put all of your hardware-intensive applications on one O/S. The best part is

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-26 Thread Marty
On 11/26/2014 10:02 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: I'm saying that §9.11 was not designed for anything else than ensuring that the Debian archive would keep working with the default init system of the time, nothing more. Except for its actual purpose, ensuring a choice of "Alternate init syst

XDG Standard is not evil (was: Re: Why focus on systemd?)

2014-11-26 Thread Serge
2014/11/16 Peter Nieman wrote: > Has anyone ever wondered where all these funny directories like ~/.cache, > ~/.config, ~/.local or even ~/Desktop (with a capital D) came from that > appeared in Debian after upgrading to - was it Lenny? Here's an answer: > http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-s

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-26 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 11/26/2014 01:05 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: 'Now' I regret not keeping the notes when I setup an iPhone rule for someone last year! :/ This time I will. On 26/11/14 14:04, Marc Shapiro wrote: On 11/24/2014 02:39 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: Thanks for the replies. On 24/11/14 05:12, Marc Shap

Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?

2014-11-26 Thread Rick Macdonald
On 26/11/14 04:20 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 27/11/14 06:32, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 26/11/14 08:24 AM, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 26/11/14 12:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 26/11/14 16:14, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 25/11/14 08:46 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: Sorry for replying to my own pos

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 27/11/14 02:46, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Chris Bannister > wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 09:30:27AM -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote: >>> happened. But the upgrade was of over a thousand packages. All I was >>> trying to do was to provide information which migh

Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?

2014-11-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 27/11/14 06:32, Rick Macdonald wrote: > On 26/11/14 08:24 AM, Rick Macdonald wrote: >> On 26/11/14 12:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> On 26/11/14 16:14, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 25/11/14 08:46 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> > > Sorry for replying to my own post... > > I see now that it's

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 27/11/14 01:30, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 11:50 PM, Scott Ferguson > wrote: >> On 26/11/14 12:46, Andrew McGlashan wrote: >>> On 26/11/2014 11:07 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: And *what do we know about the original "customisation"* that was made - which may have 's

Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?

2014-11-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
Thanks for replying. On 27/11/14 02:24, Rick Macdonald wrote: > On 26/11/14 12:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 26/11/14 16:14, Rick Macdonald wrote: >>> On 25/11/14 08:46 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: Sorry, I don't know what DE means! Desktop Environment e.g. GNOME, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, etc

Re: Haven't seen this ssh output before

2014-11-26 Thread Harry Putnam
Harry Putnam writes: > I'm not at all clear on how one would go about making an adjustment in > sshd_config to allow the algs used by my REMOTE-sol to be recognized. > > REMOTE-sol does not appear to be using OpenSSH .. maybe a solaris > version of SSH. > > In light of the comments above; if yo

ALSA - Multiple Sources...?

2014-11-26 Thread hobie
For years, ALSA has allowed me to have two apps open at one time - for example, a YouTube video could be playing in my browser while vlc was also open, paused on playback of a 3-hour mp3. That's changed with a recent Debian update. Now, if a YouTube video is playing and I try to start vlc, I get

Re: Haven't seen this ssh output before

2014-11-26 Thread Jochen Spieker
Harry Putnam: > Jochen Spieker writes: >> Harry Putnam: >>> >>> harry-on-REMOTE-sol > ssh REMOTE-deb >>> >>>no common kex alg: client >>>'diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1', >>>server >>> >>> 'curve25519-sha...@libssh.org,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha

Re: Systemd debugging

2014-11-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 26 nov 14, 12:27:00, Haines Brown wrote: > I intalled Jessie and ran into troubles. One of them was an error mesage > during boot: Failed to Start Load Kernel Modules. Neverthess, I could > boot successfully. I do have /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-686-pae. > > In pursuing this issue, the first th

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-26 Thread Buntunub
Wow, its Lawyer time! Or so one would think reading through this thread. Is this what the Debian community has devolved to? Quibbling over technicalities of the Debian Constitution? Sure gives a lot of weight to Mr. Hess's departing words. That document has turned into a poison pill for this Dist

Re: Haven't seen this ssh output before

2014-11-26 Thread Harry Putnam
Jochen Spieker writes: > Harry Putnam: >> >> harry-on-REMOTE-sol > ssh REMOTE-deb >> >>no common kex alg: client >>'diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1', >>server >> >> 'curve25519-sha...@libssh.org,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha2-nistp384,ecdh-sha2-nis

Re: Systemd debugging

2014-11-26 Thread Brian
On Wed 26 Nov 2014 at 14:34:36 -0500, Haines Brown wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 06:56:18PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > > > Use > > > > systemctl --failed > > > > to list failed units. Then use > > > > systemctl status name_of_failed.service > > > > to get further information. > > Sv

Re: Systemd debugging

2014-11-26 Thread Haines Brown
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 06:56:18PM +0100, Sven Hartge wrote: > Haines Brown wrote: > > > I intalled Jessie and ran into troubles. One of them was an error > > mesage during boot: Failed to Start Load Kernel Modules. Neverthess, I > > could boot successfully. I do have /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-686-pa

Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?

2014-11-26 Thread Rick Macdonald
On 26/11/14 08:24 AM, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 26/11/14 12:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 26/11/14 16:14, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 25/11/14 08:46 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: Are you using Debian?? Scott, I really appreciate your time in helping me, and I realize it's not easy with my typo a

Re: latest backports kernel not booting when LVM is involved

2014-11-26 Thread lee
Gary Dale writes: > On 25/11/14 02:14 PM, lee wrote: >> Hi, >> >> what could be the problem with the backport kernels? They never finish >> booting when the root fs is on an LVM volume. >> >> Do I need to take special precautions with the backports kernel to get >> it to boot? I have a separate

Re: Systemd debugging

2014-11-26 Thread Brian
On Wed 26 Nov 2014 at 17:58:56 +, Martin Read wrote: > On 26/11/14 17:27, Haines Brown wrote: > >In pursuing this issue, the first thing I found out was that bootlogd is > >not used with systemd. So instead I did: > > > > # systemd --test > > Don't run test mode as root > > > >How else

Re: Partitioning gpt disk

2014-11-26 Thread Rusi Mody
On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 6:10:05 PM UTC+5:30, Rusi Mody wrote: > On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 3:40:04 PM UTC+5:30, Darac Marjal wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:53:14PM -0800, Rusi Mody wrote: > > > Trying to setup linux on lenovo laptop. > > > I find that its gpt as expected and the

Re: Systemd debugging

2014-11-26 Thread Martin Read
On 26/11/14 17:27, Haines Brown wrote: In pursuing this issue, the first thing I found out was that bootlogd is not used with systemd. So instead I did: # systemd --test Don't run test mode as root How else is it run? An excellent question, filed against systemd in Debian as bug #76

Re: Systemd debugging

2014-11-26 Thread Sven Hartge
Haines Brown wrote: > I intalled Jessie and ran into troubles. One of them was an error > mesage during boot: Failed to Start Load Kernel Modules. Neverthess, I > could boot successfully. I do have /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-686-pae. > In pursuing this issue, the first thing I found out was that boo

Systemd debugging

2014-11-26 Thread Haines Brown
I intalled Jessie and ran into troubles. One of them was an error mesage during boot: Failed to Start Load Kernel Modules. Neverthess, I could boot successfully. I do have /lib/modules/3.16.0-4-686-pae. In pursuing this issue, the first thing I found out was that bootlogd is not used with systemd

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-26 Thread Denis Witt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 09:30:27 -0500 Patrick Wiseman wrote: > I identified the problem (my always closed and never before suspended > laptop, while I was upgrading through an ssh session, suddenly > suspended during the upgrade); I solved it (found t

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-26 Thread Erwan David
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 03:51:37PM CET, Andrew McGlashan said: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 26/11/2014 3:50 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > > It would be nice if I could have used the time replying to your > > obstreperous and bilious attack helping people with Debian

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-26 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 09:30:27AM -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote: >> happened. But the upgrade was of over a thousand packages. All I was >> trying to do was to provide information which might prove helpful to >> others. But apparently one

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 09:30:27AM -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote: > happened. But the upgrade was of over a thousand packages. All I was > trying to do was to provide information which might prove helpful to > others. But apparently one can have every good intention of not > starting a fight on debi

Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?

2014-11-26 Thread Rick Macdonald
On 26/11/14 12:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 26/11/14 16:14, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 25/11/14 08:46 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: Sorry, I don't know what DE means! Desktop Environment e.g. GNOME, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, etc KFCE. ?? https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kfce&searchon=names&su

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-26 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mercredi, 26 novembre 2014, 09.21:00 The Wanderer a écrit : > On 11/26/2014 at 08:50 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > Le lundi, 24 novembre 2014, 08.02:44 Marty a écrit : > >> On 11/24/2014 02:14 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > >> > >> The vote invoked a clause in the TC init decision to a

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-26 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 26/11/2014 3:50 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > It would be nice if I could have used the time replying to your > obstreperous and bilious attack helping people with Debian > problems. Unfortunately *systemd is very much now a Debian problem* going

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-26 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 11:50 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 26/11/14 12:46, Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> On 26/11/2014 11:07 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> And *what do we know about the original "customisation"* that was >>> made - which may have 'some' bearing on the "badness" of the >>> upgrade/u

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-26 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/26/2014 at 08:50 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Le lundi, 24 novembre 2014, 08.02:44 Marty a écrit : > >> On 11/24/2014 02:14 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: >> The vote invoked a clause in the TC init decision to allow >> modifying or overturning the policy set by the TC init decision

Re: disk group (was ... Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?)

2014-11-26 Thread Rick Macdonald
On 26/11/14 04:36 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: I vaguely remember reading somewhere (may have been on this list) that putting anybody in the disk group is a big no no, I think it was to do with security. *It is* (shoot foot material). So is setting ntfs-3g setuid. Which is another practise used f

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-26 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le lundi, 24 novembre 2014, 08.02:44 Marty a écrit : > On 11/24/2014 02:14 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > Le dimanche, 23 novembre 2014, 18.09:58 Marty a écrit : > >> Did I miss something? > > > > Yes. > > > >> Option 1: init policy stands *won by default* [1] > >> Option 2: change init pol

Re: Partitioning gpt disk

2014-11-26 Thread Rusi Mody
On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 3:40:04 PM UTC+5:30, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:53:14PM -0800, Rusi Mody wrote: > > Trying to setup linux on lenovo laptop. > > I find that its gpt as expected and there are some 5 partitions > > (as shown by compmgmt in windows) > > > > | reco

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd (now moaning about GNOME-ing)

2014-11-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/11/14 21:17, Erwan David wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 09:41:45AM CET, Curt said: >> On 2014-11-26, Erwan David wrote: >>> >>> So this means gnome now depends on non free drivers ? >>> >> >> So in your opinion there are no open source hardware acceleration drivers >> in existence? >> >

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/11/14 11:07, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 26/11/14 09:14, Chris Bannister wrote: >> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 02:44:19AM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> >> >> Now, (I hope I'm not wrong on this.) It seems that the default GNOME >> installation required a graphics card with hardware acceleration

Re: Partitioning gpt disk

2014-11-26 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 26 Nov 00:01 -0600, Rusi Mody wrote: > Trying to setup linux on lenovo laptop. > I find that its gpt as expected and there are some 5 partitions > (as shown by compmgmt in windows) > > | recovery | 1G | > | EFI | 260M | > | OEM | 1G | > | Windows8 (C:) | 424G

Re: disk group (was ... Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?)

2014-11-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/11/14 21:27, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 02:46:24PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> >> In which case I'd "recommend":- >> *1.* uncommenting the user_allow_other line in /etc/fuse.conf >> >> *2.* changing the fstab line to:- >> LABEL=WinBackup /media/WinBackup ntfs-3g >> u

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-26 Thread Joe
On Wed, 26 Nov 2014 07:34:32 +0100 Erwan David wrote: > > > > It isn't a default, the Gnome3 GUI will not work without hardware > > acceleration. In the beginning, after an upgrade, there was a > > fallback to a sort of Gnome2 display, but minus all the panels, > > icons etc. that had been there

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-26 Thread Erwan David
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 09:41:45AM CET, Curt said: > On 2014-11-26, Erwan David wrote: > > > > So this means gnome now depends on non free drivers ? > > > > So in your opinion there are no open source hardware acceleration drivers > in existence? > I've seen apps complaining that nouveau or ra

disk group (was ... Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?)

2014-11-26 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 02:46:24PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > > In which case I'd "recommend":- > *1.* uncommenting the user_allow_other line in /etc/fuse.conf > > *2.* changing the fstab line to:- > LABEL=WinBackup /media/WinBackup ntfs-3g > uid=1000,gid=1000,permissions,auto,noatime 0 0 >

Re: Partitioning gpt disk

2014-11-26 Thread Darac Marjal
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 09:53:14PM -0800, Rusi Mody wrote: > Trying to setup linux on lenovo laptop. > I find that its gpt as expected and there are some 5 partitions > (as shown by compmgmt in windows) > > | recovery | 1G | > | EFI | 260M | > | OEM | 1G | > | Windows8

Re: icedove+iceowl+junk +"This message contains an invitation to an event"

2014-11-26 Thread Darac Marjal
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 06:54:32AM +0100, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote: > Hi, > > since a few days I am getting the following message when applying the junk > filter to my inbox: "This message contains an invitation to an event" > I can not do anything about it and it does not tell me which messag

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
'Now' I regret not keeping the notes when I setup an iPhone rule for someone last year! :/ This time I will. On 26/11/14 14:04, Marc Shapiro wrote: > On 11/24/2014 02:39 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> Thanks for the replies. >> >> On 24/11/14 05:12, Marc Shapiro wrote: >>> On 11/23/2014 12:23 AM, S

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-26 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-26, Erwan David wrote: > > So this means gnome now depends on non free drivers ? > So in your opinion there are no open source hardware acceleration drivers in existence? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Cont