wheezy php5 upgrade -- lots of cron emails

2014-11-19 Thread Tad Bak
After the recent php5 security upgrade on wheezy (libapache2-mod-php5, php5-cli and php5-common) my cron started to generate a lot of e-mails: From: Cron Daemon To: root@... Subject: Cron[ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] && [ -x /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean ] && [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] &&

Re: FW: Interpreting the init system GR results

2014-11-19 Thread Joel Rees
https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2014/11/msg00079.html FWIW, although the engineering and management questions are not in any way resolved, I think I agree with Russ on this. This was probably the only result that would keep the community free to make necessary course corrections. Enginee

rather OT - was - Re: Latin "joke", was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....

2014-11-19 Thread Bret Busby
On 19/11/2014, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Tuesday 18 November 2014 21:02:53 Michael Fothergill wrote: >> I also tried translating the Latin expression I made back into English to >> check whether it would help anyone interested to "get" the joke >> >> But I noticed that google translate rendered i

Re: Qemu host drive basics.

2014-11-19 Thread peter
From: Nate Bargmann Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:20:48 -0600 > ... should have been 'groups peter'. peter@armada:~$ groups peter peter : peter adm cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev Group membership is OK. If I am not permitted to read the floppy, the drive motor shouldn't twi

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Raffaele Morelli
On 20/11/14 at 12:51am, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Raffaele Morelli wrote: > >On 19/11/14 at 07:53pm, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>Peter Nieman wrote: > >>>On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >

Re: The systemd MacGuffin

2014-11-19 Thread Marty
On 11/18/2014 10:15 AM, Keith Peter wrote: On 18/11/2014, Miles Fidelman wrote: Marty wrote: I started posting here when, after years of promoting Linux to friends and employers and finally seeing much progress, my company started phasing out Debian (systemd was not the only issue but more of

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Raffaele Morelli
On 20/11/14 at 12:49am, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Raffaele Morelli wrote: > >On 19/11/14 at 04:21pm, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >>>On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state > o

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
Raffaele Morelli wrote: On 19/11/14 at 07:53pm, Miles Fidelman wrote: Peter Nieman wrote: On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state of al

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
Raffaele Morelli wrote: On 19/11/14 at 04:21pm, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state of alternatives. If you insist then please use the d-community-offt

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Raffaele Morelli
On 19/11/14 at 07:53pm, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Peter Nieman wrote: > >On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >>>On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state > of alterna

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Raffaele Morelli
On 19/11/14 at 04:21pm, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state > >>of alternatives. > >If you insist then please use the d-community-offtopic list[1],

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
Scott Ferguson wrote: Thanks for responding. On 20/11/14 11:47, Miles Fidelman wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/11/14 08:14, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, A

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread golinux
On Wed, 11/19/14, Scott Ferguson wrote: Subject: Re: the developers have spoken To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 7:25 PM [cut] You must be thinking of someone else. Indeed, after re-reading, I am (Golinux). My apologies for that. ---

Re: udev memory problem when trying to plug a disk with corrupted partition table

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 12:45, Martin Read wrote: > On 20/11/14 01:03, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/11/14 04:06, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: > I think it's msdos. >> >> AFAIK mdos partition tables don't support anywhere near that number of >> slices. :( > > MSDOS extended partitions contain a linked lis

How to perform network data transfer accounting for a process/group of process?

2014-11-19 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
Hello. Which tools can I use or from which files in the /proc or /sys filesystem can I extract the information about how much data a given process has transferred since it started (or since the counter was reset) from given interface? I'm looking for something like the cumulative processing t

Re: simple, dumb question

2014-11-19 Thread John Hasler
Andrei POPESCU writes: > This should already be fixed in unstable, by switching around the > Depends of libpam-systemd to systemd-shim | systemd-sysv. It is. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: udev memory problem when trying to plug a disk with corrupted partition table

2014-11-19 Thread Martin Read
On 20/11/14 01:03, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/11/14 04:06, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: I think it's msdos. AFAIK mdos partition tables don't support anywhere near that number of slices. :( MSDOS extended partitions contain a linked list of logical partitions. It looks, from the pattern of th

Re: simple, dumb question

2014-11-19 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 19 nov 14, 21:25:52, koanhead wrote: > > Yes (and no). I am writing this from a Jessie box running sysvinit + > OpenRC. AIUI you won't actually have to remove any packages to use > sysvinit, just install sysvinit-core and systemd-shim. I have had to pin > the systemd package -1 to preven

FW: Interpreting the init system GR results

2014-11-19 Thread Andrei POPESCU
- Forwarded message from Russ Allbery - Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 13:41:22 -0800 From: Russ Allbery To: debian-proj...@lists.debian.org Subject: Interpreting the init system GR results Organization: The Eyrie User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) I originally posted thi

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
Thanks for responding. On 20/11/14 11:47, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 20/11/14 08:14, Miles Fidelman wrote: >>> Brian wrote: On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100,

Re: udev memory problem when trying to plug a disk with corrupted partition table

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 11:14, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: > Le Mer 19 novembre 2014 21:16, Scott Ferguson a écrit : >> On 20/11/14 04:06, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: >> >>> Le Lun 17 novembre 2014 19:32, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh a écrit : >>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: >>

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Peter Nieman
On 20/11/14 01:04, Brian wrote: You could create a free software progam which falsely shouts 'fire' over the public broadcasting system in a crowded theatre. From your point of view that would seem to be the best of all possible worlds. None of the people who were told to fuck off shouted fire

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 10:15, Peter Nieman wrote: > On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote: >> Jonathan Dowland wrote: >>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state of alternatives. >>> If you insist then plea

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/11/14 10:16, Brian wrote: On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 16:14:46 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: No, not nece

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
Peter Nieman wrote: On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state of alternatives. If you insist then please use the d-community-offtopic list

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/11/14 08:14, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: The vast majority on debian-user see this list as being for th

Re: Reloading the kernel with kexec before other services start

2014-11-19 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
This is a virtual machine whose bootloader is bypassed. GRUB is ignored completely, so I can't modify it to pass kernel options. That's why I need to use kexec. At any rate, thanks you very much for the quick reply!. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a sub

Re: Modular-debian: a list for discussing init-system alternatives

2014-11-19 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On 2014-11-19 22:00, Joel Roth wrote: > This is an extraordinary supplemental announcement that a > separate list is available[1] to discuss the issues related > to working with various init systems on Debian. Cool, but if this is an effort to make *Debian* modular, the list *should* be under lis

Re: udev memory problem when trying to plug a disk with corrupted partition table

2014-11-19 Thread Morel Bérenger
Le Mer 19 novembre 2014 21:16, Scott Ferguson a écrit : > On 20/11/14 04:06, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: > >> Le Lun 17 novembre 2014 19:32, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh a écrit : >> >>> On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: >>> >>> So, what part of that disk should I extract,

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Morel Bérenger
Le Mer 19 novembre 2014 18:26, Curt a écrit : >> Now, is bubbling good or not, is a different question and I do not >> intend to try to answer it :) > > It may be good for a francophone, si tu ne causes pas la langue de M > Shakespeare! Yes, it may. But sometimes it gets annoying, depending on one

User cgroups

2014-11-19 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
Hello. In Debian Wheezy, after creating a cgroup hierarchy for "cpu" (as an example) and adding a cgroup "my_cg" with "cgcreate -a USER:USER -g cpu:my_cg" as root (USER is a meta-variable for a non-root user) I see that that the cgroup virtual file "tasks" is still owned by user root and grou

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Brian
On Thu 20 Nov 2014 at 00:15:04 +0100, Peter Nieman wrote: > On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >>On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >>>Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state > >>>of alternatives. > >>If

Reloading the kernel with kexec before other services start

2014-11-19 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
Hello. I need to reload the same kernel that the machine boots with with kexec, in order to specify different kernel parameters. Changing the boot loader is unfortunately not an option. I'm using Debian Wheezy with sysvinit. I can make a script to kexec the kernel just once (avoiding loops),

Re: Reloading the kernel with kexec before other services start

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 10:43, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > This is a virtual machine whose bootloader is bypassed. GRUB is ignored > completely, so I can't modify it to pass kernel options. That's why I > need to use kexec. Then I'd suggest you:- ;try the reboot method - warm reboot and kexec should allow

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread GypsyRoseLee
On Thu 20 Nov 2014 at 10:03:25 +1100, Myceneaen Magic wrote: > On 20/11/14 09:41, GypsyRoseLee wrote: > > > You will surely be aware that our company has the > > rights to Fortune Telling throughout most countriea in the world. > > (sigh) Yes - obtained by humbuggery and magic tricks. Stock i

Re: Reloading the kernel with kexec before other services start

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 10:36, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > Thanks for the answer. > > If I understand correctly, your suggestions take effect when restarting > the machine. I'm looking for something that takes effect when starting up. Simpler - add an extra GRUB entry. My apologies for the confusion (I've

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 10:16, Brian wrote: > On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 16:14:46 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > >> Brian wrote: >>> On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: >>> Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> No, not ne

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Peter Nieman
On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state of alternatives. If you insist then please use the d-community-offtopic list[1], which was set up

Re: Reloading the kernel with kexec before other services start

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 10:00, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > Hello. > > I need to reload the same kernel that the machine boots with with kexec, > in order to specify different kernel parameters. Changing the boot > loader is unfortunately not an option. > > I'm using Debian Wheezy with sysvinit. I can make

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Brian
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 16:14:46 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Brian wrote: > >On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > >>Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >>>On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > No, not necessarily. For many, it means that Debia

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Myceneaen Magic
On 20/11/14 09:41, GypsyRoseLee wrote: > On Thu 20 Nov 2014 at 06:57:03 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > >> On 20/11/14 04:01, golinux wrote: >>> On Wed, 11/19/14, songbird wrote: >>> >>> Subject: the developers have spoken >>> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >>> Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread GypsyRoseLee
On Thu 20 Nov 2014 at 06:57:03 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 20/11/14 04:01, golinux wrote: > > On Wed, 11/19/14, songbird wrote: > > > > Subject: the developers have spoken > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 8:11 AM > > > >the vote is in. >

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Brian
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 23:12:49 +0300, Reco wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 07:11:17PM +, Brian wrote: > > On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 20:55:02 +0300, Reco wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:44:01AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > > On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:11:18 -0500 >

Re: Re: Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread tor...@riseup.net
>Don't forget, I am also a user. If I felt the project no longer >represented >my interests, I would leave. I would not waste my time or the >project's >by continuing to complain about what might have been. That sure makes sense. But there might be people who a) are very emotional about Debian a

Re: Modular-debian: a list for discussing init-system alternatives

2014-11-19 Thread golinux
On Wed, 11/19/14, Joel Roth wrote: Subject: Modular-debian: a list for discussing init-system alternatives To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 4:00 PM Dear List, First I'd like to thank all who contribute to debian-user, and make it an invaluable resource f

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread José Silva
On 19/11/14 22:08, Scott Ferguson wrote: [curious] Other than a possible exercise in self-validation - if, as you've previously stated, *you have ceased using Debian* - why do you continue posting to Debian user? Although not his advocate, he could, as myself, be changing all his boxes to FreeB

Re: BIND9 Dynamic Update Zones

2014-11-19 Thread Pascal Hambourg
Roman Gelfand a écrit : > When I try run "nsupdate -d -L 9 nsu.tmp", where nsu.tmp is > > update add cmm3.workdom.com 3600 A 192.168.10.8 > show > send > > Dynamic zone file > > include "/etc/bind/zones.rfc1918"; > > zone "workdom.com" IN { > type master; > f

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 19 November 2014 16:49:13 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 19 November 2014 14:11:18 songbird wrote: kudoes, much love, go jessie! :-)) +1 Lisi This was intended for the list, not to go off-list. Sorry again, Songbird. I need to press

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 08:14, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Brian wrote: >> On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: >> >>> Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> >> The vast majority on debian-user see this list as being for the suppo

Modular-debian: a list for discussing init-system alternatives

2014-11-19 Thread Joel Roth
Dear List, First I'd like to thank all who contribute to debian-user, and make it an invaluable resource for the Debian community. Despite others disagreements, I've seen those who post to the list have in common a generosity and enthusiasm to solve the issues related to administering Debian Linux

Re: No Google bubble?

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 08:14, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Scott Ferguson [2014-11-19 > 21:46 +0200]: >> With the greatest respect Martin - have you tried testing it >> yourself? > > No, I have not used Google for over 5 years by choice because I do > not like it when profit-driven entities make de

Re: simple, dumb question

2014-11-19 Thread koanhead
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 22:10:04 +0100, Hans wrote: > Hi folks, > > just a simple question. No flamewar, no weighting! At the moment I am > running debian/jessie with systemd. And at the moment I am happy with > it. Good! > > It is nopt quite clear for me, but is the next debian/stable release >

eeepc 1015pn: no audio cards detected

2014-11-19 Thread Samuel Bernardo
Dear maintainers, I'm using debian testing/sid and audio card modules are not being loaded as extected. After boot neither pulseaudio or alsa can detect audio card. Only when I load modprobe snd-hda-intel; modprobe snd-pcm-oss; snd-mixer-oss they can detect audio card. I already try to add that m

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Curt [2014-11-19 17:49 +0200]: > I don't have a search history. I had no cookies, either, when I made the > search. Nor was I logged in to their services. > > So I don't see how Google could have tailored my results. Google has more ways to identify you than cookies or a login token

Re: Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Please do not CC me, I'm subscribed to the list. On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 09:53:49PM +0100, tor...@riseup.net wrote: > I could swear that the Social Contract states: > We will not hide problems > and > Our priority are our users. of course it does. But posting here about other OSes is not priori

Re: simple, dumb question

2014-11-19 Thread Christian Seiler
Am 19.11.2014 um 22:09 schrieb Hans: > just a simple question. No flamewar, no weighting! At the moment I am > running > debian/jessie with systemd. And at the moment I am happy with it. > > It is nopt quite clear for me, but is the next debian/stable release planned > in that way, that it wi

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state of alternatives. If you insist then please use the d-community-offtopic list[1], which was set up for these situations. How about, no.

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:43:22PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: The main thing that keeps me on Linux is Xen. Xen Dom0 on FreeBSD would have me there in an instant. https://wiki.netbsd.org/tutorials/how_to_set_up_a_xen_dom0/ Well yeah - but NetBSD doesn't have a stabl

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
Brian wrote: On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: No, not necessarily. For many, it means that Debian Linux is dying and will soon be dead -- or rather, no longer relevant. I jus

Re: No Google bubble?

2014-11-19 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Scott Ferguson [2014-11-19 21:46 +0200]: > With the greatest respect Martin - have you tried testing it > yourself? No, I have not used Google for over 5 years by choice because I do not like it when profit-driven entities make decisions over what I should see. With all due respect:

simple, dumb question

2014-11-19 Thread Hans
Hi folks, just a simple question. No flamewar, no weighting! At the moment I am running debian/jessie with systemd. And at the moment I am happy with it. It is nopt quite clear for me, but is the next debian/stable release planned in that way, that it will be possible to revert to sysinit, j

Re: Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread tor...@riseup.net
Miles Fidelman wrote: > Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state of > alternatives. After 6 years of using Debian, which was pretty much the only OS i ever used, Gentoo is a good systemd-free alternative for me. Slightly less comfortable, but a helpful community makes it

Re: Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread tor...@riseup.net
Jonathan Dowland wrote: >Andrew McGlashan wrote: >> No, not necessarily. For maony, it means that Debian Linux is dying >> and will soon be dead -- or rather, no longer relevant. I just hope >> that the alternative in FreeBSD works out. >I encourage you to find out sooner, rather than later, b

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread yoklar
Sorry for top posting On 19/11/2014 10:34 pm, "yoklar" wrote: > > I know I know Debian provides now systemd. > > On 19/11/2014 10:01 pm, "Brian" wrote: >> >> On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 21:54:12 +0200, yoklar wrote: >> >> > On 19/11/2014 9:45 pm, "Jonathan Dowland" wrote: >> > > >> > > On Wed, Nov 19,

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread yoklar
I know I know Debian provides now systemd. On 19/11/2014 10:01 pm, "Brian" wrote: > On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 21:54:12 +0200, yoklar wrote: > > > On 19/11/2014 9:45 pm, "Jonathan Dowland" wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > > Please DO report back

Re: udev memory problem when trying to plug a disk with corrupted partition table

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 04:06, "Morel Bérenger" wrote: > Le Lun 17 novembre 2014 19:32, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh a écrit : >> On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: >> >>> So, what part of that disk should I extract, which could be usable >>> and sharable? Partition table, of course, whic

Re: What provides /dev/disk/by-uuid?

2014-11-19 Thread Matt Ventura
On 11/19/2014 12:10 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-11-19 20:45 +0100, Matt Ventura wrote: What module/script/thing actually provides /dev/disk/by-uuid and by-label? Those are created by udev, the rules are in the file /lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules. I'm asking because I disab

Re: No Google bubble?

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 04:04, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 03:49:09PM +, Curt wrote: >> On 2014-11-19, Renaud OLGIATI >> wrote: >>> The claim is your Google search history affects your Google search results. >>> >>> Seems Google tailors your results depending on what you look

Re: What provides /dev/disk/by-uuid?

2014-11-19 Thread Matt Ventura
On 11/19/2014 12:02 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 19 nov 14, 11:45:40, Matt Ventura wrote: What module/script/thing actually provides /dev/disk/by-uuid and by-label? I'm asking because I disabled some things in my kernel config and now I no longer have those (neither before mounting root nor

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Reco
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 07:11:17PM +, Brian wrote: > On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 20:55:02 +0300, Reco wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:44:01AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > > On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:11:18 -0500 > > > songbird wrote: > > > > > > > let us thank each one of t

Re: LVM: shrinking a logical volume (moving LVM logical volumes to new disks)

2014-11-19 Thread lee
"Karl E. Jorgensen" writes: > Hi > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:24:27AM +0100, lee wrote: >> Hi, >> >> so far, I managed to pvmove a LV to my USB stick and from there to a >> backup disk in another machine. Doing so, I found that I can split off >> LVs from a volume group and that this inevitab

Re: What provides /dev/disk/by-uuid?

2014-11-19 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-11-19 20:45 +0100, Matt Ventura wrote: > What module/script/thing actually provides /dev/disk/by-uuid and > by-label? Those are created by udev, the rules are in the file /lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules. > I'm asking because I disabled some things in my kernel > config and

Re: What provides /dev/disk/by-uuid?

2014-11-19 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 19 nov 14, 11:45:40, Matt Ventura wrote: > What module/script/thing actually provides /dev/disk/by-uuid and by-label? > I'm asking because I disabled some things in my kernel config and now I no > longer have those (neither before mounting root nor when fully booted). If I > go back to my ol

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Brian
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 21:54:12 +0200, yoklar wrote: > On 19/11/2014 9:45 pm, "Jonathan Dowland" wrote: > > > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > > Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state > > > of alternatives. > > > > If you insist the

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 19 nov 14, 14:06:16, Haines Brown wrote: > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00014.html > > > > The winners are: > > Option 4 "General Resolution is not required" > > I ponder the implications of this vote. I suppose it means that the > current trajectory of

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 04:01, golinux wrote: > On Wed, 11/19/14, songbird wrote: > > Subject: the developers have spoken > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 8:11 AM > >the vote is in. > > [cut] > > > > My beloved D

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread yoklar
On 19/11/2014 9:45 pm, "Jonathan Dowland" wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state > > of alternatives. > > If you insist then please use the d-community-offtopic list[1], which > was set up f

Re: No Google bubble?

2014-11-19 Thread Martin Read
On 19/11/14 17:56, Curt wrote: As for country-specific results (language-oriented, certainly) how does ducky ducky a gogo handle the Tower of Babel problem? I don't know if they apply any geoip checks to inbound traffic, but they certainly support the "lang:ISO_language_code" search term (comp

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Brian
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 14:06:16 -0500, Haines Brown wrote: > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00014.html > > > > The winners are: > > Option 4 "General Resolution is not required" > > I ponder the implications of this vote. I suppose it means that the > current tra

Re: No Google bubble?

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 19/11/14 22:09, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Scott Ferguson [2014-11-19 > 10:48 +0200]: >> Sadly, whoever told you that was misinformed - and misinformed >> you. Google results may vary according to the constantly updating >> search index - and search terms - but the "search history",

What provides /dev/disk/by-uuid?

2014-11-19 Thread Matt Ventura
What module/script/thing actually provides /dev/disk/by-uuid and by-label? I'm asking because I disabled some things in my kernel config and now I no longer have those (neither before mounting root nor when fully booted). If I go back to my old kernel config, it works fine. What do I need to pu

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state > of alternatives. If you insist then please use the d-community-offtopic list[1], which was set up for these situations. Thanks [1] http://lists.alioth.debian.o

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Brian
On Thu 20 Nov 2014 at 05:56:41 +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > On 20/11/2014 5:45 AM, Brian wrote: > > The vast majority on debian-user see this list as being for the support > > of users who *use* Debian and not a talking shop about it. Encouragement > > to pervert its purpose is little short

Jessie, VLC, Radeon and HW Decoding

2014-11-19 Thread lukn555
Hello Debian users I just upgraded to Debian 8 Jessie (testing) and experience strange behaviour with hardware accelerated video decoding. When starting VLC I get the following error message: Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_radeonsi.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or direct

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:43:22PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > > The main thing that keeps me on Linux is Xen. Xen Dom0 on FreeBSD would > have me there in an instant. https://wiki.netbsd.org/tutorials/how_to_set_up_a_xen_dom0/ -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Brian
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 20:55:02 +0300, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:44:01AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > > On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:11:18 -0500 > > songbird wrote: > > > > > let us thank each one of them for their efforts > > > to continue making Debian what it is: > > >

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Haines Brown
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00014.html > > The winners are: > Option 4 "General Resolution is not required" I ponder the implications of this vote. I suppose it means that the current trajectory of Debian's development is held to be satisfactory. Given this, n

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 20/11/2014 5:45 AM, Brian wrote: > The vast majority on debian-user see this list as being for the support > of users who *use* Debian and not a talking shop about it. Encouragement > to pervert its purpose is little short of bad manners, no matte

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Brian
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 13:05:20 -0500, Doug wrote: > On 11/19/2014 09:11 AM, songbird wrote: > > the vote is in. > > > > let us thank each one of them for their efforts > >to continue making Debian what it is: > > > > a fractious and wonderful expression of free source > >code, the ability to

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Brian
On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > >>No, not necessarily. For many, it means that Debian Linux is dying > >>and will soon be dead -- or rather, no longer relevant. I just hop

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread songbird
Lisi Reisz wrote: > songbird wrote: >> kudoes, much love, go jessie! > >:-)) +1 :) > Lisi > > This was intended for the list, not to go off-list. Sorry again, Songbird. > I > need to press L for the Debian list, not click on reply. And I don't > remember to do it. I'll plead old age,

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-19, Darac Marjal wrote: > > Do you regularly search from the same IP address? Do you regularly > search from the same browser? Do you regularly search from the same > country? > I see what you're driving at. But as you can easily change browsers and compare search results, I don't thi

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 19 Nov 2014, Miles Fidelman wrote: > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > >On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > >>No, not necessarily. For many, it means that Debian Linux is dying > >>and will soon be dead -- or rather, no longer relevant. I just hope > >>that the alternat

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Doug
On 11/19/2014 09:11 AM, songbird wrote: the vote is in. let us thank each one of them for their efforts to continue making Debian what it is: a fractious and wonderful expression of free source code, the ability to distribute such in a relatively sane and safe manner. kudoes, much

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:44:01AM -0300, Renaud OLGIATI wrote: > On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:11:18 -0500 > songbird wrote: > > > let us thank each one of them for their efforts > > to continue making Debian what it is: > > Really ? I thought they were making Debian something quite different

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Peter Nieman
On 19/11/14 15:44, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:11:18 -0500 songbird wrote: let us thank each one of them for their efforts to continue making Debian what it is: Really ? I thought they were making Debian something quite different from what it is... However you lo

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
golinux wrote: On Wed, 11/19/14, songbird wrote: Subject: the developers have spoken To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 8:11 AM the vote is in. [cut] My beloved Debian, RIP. Very sad that the ride will be

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
Andrew McGlashan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 20/11/2014 4:01 AM, golinux wrote: My beloved Debian, RIP. Very sad that the ride will be over when when Squeeze and Wheezy (and possibly Jessie - jury is still out) get to EOL . . . golinux (soon to be linuxrip)

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: No, not necessarily. For many, it means that Debian Linux is dying and will soon be dead -- or rather, no longer relevant. I just hope that the alternative in FreeBSD works out. I encourage you to find o

Re: No Google bubble? (was: systemd for administrators, printable version.)

2014-11-19 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-19, Morel Bérenger wrote: > Le Mer 19 novembre 2014 16:49, Curt a écrit : >> So I don't see how Google could have tailored my results. > > For example, it can guess from your IP from where you come, and show > results more... pertinent... considering your location. It could. > A easy

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